From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #196 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, June 7 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 196 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Don't Interrupt The Sorrow [Laura O ] Anyone [ingrid lochrenberg ] Re: Don't Interrupt the Sorrow [David Marine ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:35:14 -0500 From: Laura O Subject: Don't Interrupt The Sorrow Ingrid said "...then it ends of by saying , you need a heart like Mary when your man gets weak.......after being raped, either there is capitulating terror, and/or all love focusses on the child." Keeping in context of the one particular verse, the verses right before this is: "He lies and he cheats" My thoughts are that 'when your man gets weak' would be a disappointment (sorrow) that he would display such a weak character of outwardly and secretively boozing, lying and womanizing/cheating. Hard to respect and forgive such a betrayal (heart like Mary's). Here in this 1983 version Joni sings the lyrics as: "Suck Down All Those Bottles Did Up All Those Lines................ (can't make out these words....lies/lines....drugs?) Had All Those Other Women Clandestine" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EsKgeiic0k Shows a man of weak character, secrecy and giving into all sorts of temptations. The meat of this song ....according to this new 2013 quote of Joni's in an article here: '1975's /Don't Interrupt The Sorrow/ (which she introduced as "the closest I ever came to being a feminist")' http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2680&from=search Laura *********FREE PAINT****************** http://kellymoore.com/promotions/free-color-sample ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 00:10:16 +0000 From: ingrid lochrenberg Subject: Anyone Anyone, including our Joni, could get raped. I appreciate your thoughts John... She speaks about chaining me with a serpent (i think here without the words before me) to that Ethiopian wall. Kilauren and her seemed to have basically gone hungry.....she wrote a song called Ethiopia? And she spoke of losing her virginity and becoming pregnant at the same time....although she also says "he loved me so naughty, he made me weak in the knees". But i thought she's also said " she got caught out at the same time as losing her virginity....doesn't sound to me like the start of a months-long relationship with Brad, though it does suggest a lover who she desired....then again she is very secretive about saying " i lost my virginity and became pregnant at the same time, as though putting a halt to further questions. Being chained with a serpent suggests violence to me. Sent from my BlackBerry. wireless device ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 23:14:07 -0400 From: David Marine Subject: Re: Don't Interrupt the Sorrow I think it's clear that the Anima is rising in Joni (or the female character in the song). So to me this line means that his dismissal of her Anima power cuts her down from proud, tall timber to cold stone with just a "so what?". I know Jung uses Anima to describe the feminine archetype of the unconscious mind (the yin to the yang), but I think Joni is using it to describe the spirit rising. Given the religious imagery in the song, the part about "wash my guilt of Eden, wash and balance me" may be related to the prayer "Anima Christi": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anima_Christi Just my two cents. At least we cleared up long ago "your notches, liberation doll"! David On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:29 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 16:29:17 -0600 > From: Lori Renee Fye > Subject: Re: Don't interrupt the sorrow > > Here's my take on "petrified wood process": > > He says "Anima rising > So what > Petrified wood process > Tall timber down to rock" > > It takes a VERY LONG time for wood to petrify. So "He" says, "So what?" to > the "anima" concept that men will get in touch with their feminine side > anytime soon, or that anything else will change anytime soon enough to > matter, at least to him. He's fine with the status quo. > > Lori > > ------------------------------ > ------- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #196 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe