From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #187 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, May 30 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 187 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: IFTKOMS and C&S vs. HOSL [LC Stanley ] Chronological Order of Joni Songs ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] Joni content in Acoustic Guitar magazine, July issue [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: IFTKOMS and C&S vs. HOSL I like this description you wrote Sue:B "the existential boredom of suburban blight ... Jungle Line to Harry's House all play up this theme to the tune of smooth jazz ... but then comes Sweet Bird and Shadows and Light where I really see the first clouds of Hejira forming b&" B It is a very Joni-like description, poetical and right on.B Bob wrote: "Wow, how's that for a subject line that only a Joni fan could decipher?B Anyway, I'm hoping to hear a Joni song on the radio today to keep my streak alive."B Hi Bob. B TFTGL!! (Thanks for the good laugh!) Late last night as I was walking out of the empty mall after closing my restaurant for the night I heard "Help Me" on the mall speakers very loudly with no noise in the mall. I thought to myself as I relaxed in the beautiful sound how full and smooth Joni's voice is in that song and how different she sounds from anybody else. I also felt comforted like being embraced by a loved one in the thought of how wonderful it is to have so many friends on this list who appreciate Joni in the same way I do. You wrote: "Now I would be tempted to pair C&S with HOSL and Hejira with DJRD. Wondering what y'all think." I agree with C&S paired with HOSL although I think of rock/jazz with C&S and jazz/rock with HOSL. B I have a little more difficult time pairing Hejira and DJRD because DJRD even though in part it is meditative, mostly it strikes me as reckless whereas Hejira strikes me as meditative and not very reckless at all. Both albums have a stop and start to them in the mix of songs that is cool. B I like the mix on both albums. B They are both really incredible. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 23:38:47 +0100 (BST) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: Chronological Order of Joni Songs All, After listening to Live at the Second Fret, it occurred to me that Joni had many a song that she didn't record in the order that she wrote them. I can understand that she had many released by others (including Eastern Rain by the UK's Fairport Convention),and in a sense they had been released Some not for years after, despite being regularly performed. Is there a record of her setlists, that could track the writing history indirectly, or any articles on this. I suppose there are Leonard Songs and James or Jackson songs,or even Chuck Songs in both senses of the word. It may also give more insight in to the conundrum of which songs fit together, discussed in another thread. It also occurs to me that more than one song in a specific tuning could have been written at the same or similar time, especially if she didn't have more than one acoustic with her at the time. John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 10:45:31 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: IFTKOMS and C&S vs. HOSL Wow, how's that for a subject line that only a Joni fan could decipher? Anyway, I'm hoping to hear a Joni song on the radio today to keep my streak alive. Sunday I heard "Love Or Money" on Sirius/XM, Monday I heard the MOA version of BYT on Radioparadise.com, and yesterday I heard "In France..." on an NPR internet station. (NPR has a great phone app for those of you who may not know with a plethora of radio options, World Cafe, All Songs Considered, great great stuff). Anyway, I've always loved In France, and it was the most obvious thought for a single even if it didn't really chart. I do think it was closer to C&S in terms of sound and structure than most of the other songs, especially with her choice of following it with the out-of-left-field-didn't-see-that-coming "Jungle Line". I've always considered HOSL to be a radical departure from C&S, but now I'm not so sure. After all, both albums incorporate a lot of the same players, both albums have portrait songs as well as autobiographical songs, both have an old-school Lambert, Hendricks & Ross cover on them. you could maybe make a case that HOSL is a much more cryptical album lyrically. I think that Hejira was definitely a change in audio and even lyrical direction, but now I'm not so sure that HOSL was as much. Now I would be tempted to pair C&S with HOSL and Hejira with DJRD. Wondering what y'all think. Bob NP: Leonard Cohen, "So Long, Marianne" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 20:57:31 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Re: IFTKOMS and C&S vs. HOSL Yes Garret, I agree with you about MOA ... Actually I said Rainy Night House thinking of the MOA version although I guess I made it sound like it was on FTR ... Ever since I heard Mutts of the Planet do RNH with the MOA arrangement I prefer that version ... Plus it does give the song the feel that it could have been off C&S! :-) Sent from my iPhone > On May 29, 2014, at 3:24 PM, "Garret" wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > I think I would have to work MoA into your scheme. For me, that's > essential listening (well, for a few of us here I'd say). It sort of ties > things up in my mind. It ties together various musical threads from the > preceding albums and works in the new band. I'm still a bit in awe that she > did not load it with C&S songs. In a sense, I see it as a companion to C&S > actually, so this works well. I also think her voice may be at it's most > appealing for me on MoA over all other albums. > > I see where you are going with C&S and HOSL being connected, In France is a > definite bridge. However, in my mind, HOSL is more of a transitional album > (and what a transition!) that allows for the sonic shift that is Hejira. > The door then opens for DJRD which I always pair with Mingus and S&L more > than Hejira funnily. > > Like you, Sue, I love the progression across these albums. No other artists > progression fascinates me as much (hopefully that will redeem me for my > Joni criticism a few weeks back;-) > > I think I will have to listen to C&S and HOSL together now, thanks:) > GARRET > > NP - Eddi Reader, Back the Dogs (from her latest album - I think so many of > you guys would love this) > > >> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:48 PM, wrote: >> >> Hi Laura - glad you heard "Help Me", I agree it's always like a cool >> summer breeze unto my ears when I hear that guitar intro. Unfortunately I >> did NOT hear Joni on the radio yesterday so my streak ended, but if we >> want to talk a JMDL streak, we are still going strong with 4 days thanks >> to your report. Let's see who hears Joni on the radio TODAY and maybe we >> can keep the streak alive. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Aretha Franklin, "Baby I Love You" >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >> this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >> contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. >> >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >> sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 09:02:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni content in Acoustic Guitar magazine, July issue The current "Acoustic Guitar" magazine includes tabs for "Chelsea Morning" as well as a review of the "Complete so far" music book. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 18:44:40 +0100 (BST) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: Re: IFTKOMS and C&S vs. HOSL Bob, I'd definitely agree. Max Bennett and Jaco, being the biggest change. John >----Original Message---- >From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >Date: 28/05/2014 14:45 >To: >Subj: IFTKOMS and C&S vs. HOSL > >Wow, how's that for a subject line that only a Joni fan could decipher? > >Anyway, I'm hoping to hear a Joni song on the radio today to keep my >streak alive. Sunday I heard "Love Or Money" on Sirius/XM, Monday I heard >the MOA version of BYT on Radioparadise. com, and yesterday I heard "In >France..." on an NPR internet station. (NPR has a great phone app for >those of you who may not know with a plethora of radio options, World >Cafe, All Songs Considered, great great stuff). > >Anyway, I've always loved In France, and it was the most obvious thought >for a single even if it didn't really chart. I do think it was closer to >C&S in terms of sound and structure than most of the other songs, >especially with her choice of following it with the >out-of-left-field-didn't-see-that-coming "Jungle Line". I've always >considered HOSL to be a radical departure from C&S, but now I'm not so >sure. After all, both albums incorporate a lot of the same players, both >albums have portrait songs as well as autobiographical songs, both have an >old-school Lambert, Hendricks & Ross cover on them. you could maybe make a >case that HOSL is a much more cryptical album lyrically. > >I think that Hejira was definitely a change in audio and even lyrical >direction, but now I'm not so sure that HOSL was as much. Now I would be >tempted to pair C&S with HOSL and Hejira with DJRD. Wondering what y'all >think. > >Bob > >NP: Leonard Cohen, "So Long, Marianne" >------------------------------------------------------------ >The information transmitted is intended only for the person >or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >proprietary, business- confidential and/or privileged material. >If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > >Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 22:53:55 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Stardust was star stuff When Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan wrote Cosmos, decades ago, they said we are all made of star stuff. In Druyan's rewrite for the 21st century, she's now saying stardust. I like to think that this is more evidence of Joni's influence. Jim ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #187 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe