From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #179 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, May 25 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 179 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- vocal ranges ["ron" ] Re: vocal range [Dave Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 17:38:33 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: vocal ranges I came across this site on another forum. http://www.concerthotels.com/worlds-greatest-vocal-ranges purports to show the vocal ranges of various singers. I am just a little surprised at how narrow joni's range seems to be (C#3 to A5) compared to some of the others (eg axl rose F1 to B6) ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 16:31:19 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: vocal range Laurie, It might be cheating to talk about a big range over the course of your lifetime (but not at any one time!) When we were screaming infants to grown men singing baritone for example is a pretty big pitch range. Then you have to kind of filter out possible notes from useful notes; most of us can grumble into our chest and shriek when you find a tarantula in your shoe but those extremes are not that musically useful unless you have a punk band! In her helium days Joni could comfortably hit A above A above middle C and in her last orchestra recordings she would sing down to about E below middle C, so thats about two and a half octaves of controlled pitch, but over the course of thirty years. Thats pretty good. Whatever that silly article claims, most decent singers have under two octaves of useful musical range. The Stars and Stripes anthem has a range of a 12th (an octave plus a fifth) and it is famously hard to sing as you have so little wiggle room as to key. Having more pitch range of course does not make you a better singer, as we all know. More emotional range does. Dave On May 24, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Laurie Antonioli wrote: > Re: the vocal range thing - I think someone like Dave Blackburn could step > in and let us know - I don't know for sure, but, Joni's range from her > early years to the later was really significant. Dave...some of those > background things she sang were sky high, weren't they? You've done so > much transcribing you surely know her range from top to bottom. > > Laurie > > > > > On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > >> >> JMDL Digest Saturday, May 24 2014 Volume 2014 : Number >> 778 >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> Re: vocal ranges [Corey Blake < >> coreyblake@gmail.com>] >> vocal ranges ["ron" < >> rong@mweb.co.za>] >> Joni Covers, Volume 189 [Bob Muller < >> scjoniguy@yahoo.com>] >> Re: vocal ranges ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" < >> johnnybgoode@lineone.net>] >> Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #777 [SusanBTaylorBand < >> susanbtaylorband@prodigy.ne] >> Re: Tori Amos River (live) May 8th [Betsy Blue < >> betsyblue82@gmail.com>] >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 12:06:10 -0700 >> From: Corey Blake >> Subject: Re: vocal ranges >> >> I saw that too and have been meaning to post it here. I m curious what >> some of the more musically-inclined think of this. Is this right? I thought >> it should be a wider range, considering how high she sang in the very early >> days compared to her most recent work. But maybe not. >> >> >> On May 24, 2014, at 8:38 AM, ron wrote: >> >>> I came across this site on another forum. >>> >>> http://www.concerthotels.com/worlds-greatest-vocal-ranges >>> >>> purports to show the vocal ranges of various singers. I am just a little >>> surprised at how narrow joni's range seems to be (C#3 to A5) compared to >>> some of the others (eg axl rose F1 to B6) >>> >>> >>> ron >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 17:38:33 +0200 >> From: "ron" >> Subject: vocal ranges >> >> I came across this site on another forum. >> >> http://www.concerthotels.com/worlds-greatest-vocal-ranges >> >> purports to show the vocal ranges of various singers. I am just a little >> surprised at how narrow joni's range seems to be (C#3 to A5) compared to >> some of the others (eg axl rose F1 to B6) >> >> >> ron >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 07:07:21 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Bob Muller >> Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 189 >> >> Howdy all, and Happy Memorial Day weekend to those of us in the USA. Got >> another NEW batch of covers to lay on y'all today...most of these are from >> 2011-12 with the oldest being from the 2002 Steve Klink and Rachel Z >> tributes. >> And speaking of Steve Klink, this volume kicks off with his instrumental >> version of "Cotton Avenue" which is incidentally the only one so far that >> I'm >> aware of. >> >> 189 also features a nice mini-set from Florencia Otero - she's got >> a great voice and has a fine band backing her up and contributing some >> lovely >> solos. We also get a cover of "The Arrangement" which is another one we >> don't >> hear very often. Kevin Sandbloom gives us another of his covers from his >> Blue >> tribute. I love his voice and the twist he puts on these songs. Marge >> Weber, >> not so much. Many other tasty nuggets to be found in this sampler. >> >> Zzip it! >> http://ow.ly/xdB85 >> >> 1. Steve Klink - Cotton Avenue >> 2. Mary Jane Alm - A Case >> of You >> 3. Leila Thigpen - Both Sides Now >> 4. Florencia Otero - I Had A King >> 5. >> Florencia Otero - River >> 6. Florencia Otero - Little Green >> 7. Florencia Otero - >> A Case Of You >> 8. The Redbird Duo - Circle Game >> 9. Will Taylor & Strings >> Attached - Chelsea Morning >> 10. Kamilla Kovacks - All I Want >> 11. Nereide - The >> Arrangement >> 12. Sally Barker - Real Good For Free >> 13. Lissa Schneckenburger - >> River >> 14. Elisa Peimer, Jon Sobel - Little Green >> 15. Keiko Utoku - Both Sides >> Now >> 16. Rachel Z Trio - Big Yellow Taxi >> 17. Kevin Sandbloom - A Case Of You >> 18. Marge Weber - The Circle Game >> >> 18 songs, 18 hits - enjoy. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: >> Florencia Otero, "A Case Of You" >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 21:08:06 +0100 (BST) >> From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >> Subject: Re: vocal ranges >> >> Ron, >> >> This sounds ridiculous Mariah and Whitney not at the Top Lennon >> similar to McCartney Winwood and Elton John not the highest males. >> >> >> Idon't believe it. >> >> John >> >>> ----Original Message---- >>> From: rong@mweb.co. >> za >>> Date: 24/05/2014 15:38 >>> To: "JMDL JMDL" >>> Subj: vocal >> ranges >>> >>> I came across this site on another forum. >>> >>> http://www.concerthotels.com/worlds-greatest-vocal-ranges> >>> purports >> to show the vocal ranges of various singers. I am just a little >> >>> surprised at how narrow joni's range seems to be (C#3 to A5) compared >> to >>> some of the others (eg axl rose F1 to B6) >>> >>> >>> ron >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 24 May 2014 08:22:25 -0500 >> From: SusanBTaylorBand >> Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #777 >> >> After watching the MuchMusic Intimate and Interactive video presented here >> a few days ago by another Digest member, Joni stated in the video that she >> had about two years of piano lessons, said something about getting through >> the second grade book, so she did have music training - and most likely >> learned theory and sight reading. If it was a course like John Thompson >> (very popular in that era) then the second grade book affords a lot of >> theory and sight reading opportunities. >> >> Susan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On May 24, 2014, at 2:00 AM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> JMDL Digest Saturday, May 24 2014 Volume 2014 : Number >> 777 >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> >>> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >>> -------- >>> Re: The Last Waltz (alternate b/w recording) [" >> johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] >>> Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #172 [Paul Ivice < >> ivpaul42@aol.com>] >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 21:53:20 +0100 (BST) >>> From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" >>> Subject: Re: The Last Waltz (alternate b/w recording) >>> >>> Monica, >>> >>> Many thanks for posting this.I love the Shadows & Light Jam. >>> The two drummers and Garth and Robbie's contributions, wow, you don't >>> need the fretless bass. >>> >>> John >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 15:32:26 -0400 (EDT) >>> From: Paul Ivice >>> Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #172 >>> >>> And then there was Vari-speed, a control on analog tape machines that >> adjusted >>> the motor speed by small amounts. Before digital recording it was common >>> practice to slow the tape machine a little for extra fatness on a track >> or >>> speed >>> it up a little for extra pep, without regard for the poor student trying >> to >>> play >>> along to it. The A440 reference, then, has been disregarded many many >> times >>> since it was adopted. Those who cite 432Hz as a better pitch reference >> are in >>> fact hearing a little more fulness and low end than if the same music is >>> played >>> at A440; I dont think theres anything celestial, spiritual or political >>> whatsoever going on, though we love a good mystery when science is >> involved! >>> >>> Remember that all this discussion is about a woman who cannot or does >> not read >>> music,so some of the things being discussed about Joni ascribe to her >> much >>> more careful thought than the instinct I believe she relies on for most >> of >>> these decisions. >>> >>> >>> Paul Ivice ;>) >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of JMDL Digest V2014 #777 >>> ***************************** >>> >>> ------- >>> To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. >>> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >>> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >>> ------- >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 15:05:51 -0700 >> From: Betsy Blue >> Subject: Re: Tori Amos River (live) May 8th >> >> River was on the set list (Berlin) again today. >> On May 19, 2014 1:03 PM, "Betsy Blue" wrote: >> >>> Here's the link to Tori singing River. If you click directly on the River >>> play button, you get an older version with video. The new audio is with >> the >>> I Knew You Were Trouble play button and starts at 40:45 into that video. >>> >>> http://bit.ly/1kiMEtv >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of JMDL Digest V2014 #778 >> ***************************** >> >> ------- >> To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >> ------- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #179 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe