From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #158 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, May 9 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 158 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #675 [Randy Remote ] Raised on Robbery-Shadows & Light [Betsy Blue ] Re: BBC Radio 2 [Michael Paz ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #156 ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #156 [Maggie McNally ] Winter in Florida [Paul Ivice ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #156 [Maggie McNally ] BBC Radio 2 [lawntreader@googlemail.com] Masterworks [Paul Ivice ] Re: CMIARS/Shine [Catherine McKay ] Joni meets Gilbert & Sullivan [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: CMIARS/Now Shine too [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: CMIARS/Now Shine too [Rick Hobbs-Seeley ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 16:50:11 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #675 Coyote is about playwright Sam Shephard, the songs on FTR are about James Taylor, so I assume WOHAM is. RR wrote: I concur with John. I love most all Joni's work, even her grouchy ones. > > By the way, does anyone know who she wrote Coyote, and, Woman of Heart and > Mind for, or what males she had in mind that inspired the songs? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 17:16:56 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Raised on Robbery-Shadows & Light The audio, or maybe just the singing, from Raised on Robbery seems to have been overdubbed, with visual cuts covering as well as possible. I know the story of camera failures necessitating the odd edits in this concert video. Does anyone know about sound problems? Was Joni not happy with her own singing in parts? Were other parts of the concert overdubbed? Thanks in advance to the sound experts and Joni experts. Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 21:08:00 -0400 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: BBC Radio 2 Happy BIrthday Babee!! I am in Washington DC and get to hang out with my pal Sherelle tomorrow. I am raising my martini glass towards jolly old UK and toasting you tonight. Hope you had a wonderful day and can't wait to see you guys. Love Paz P.S> BTW I am right behind you come next March.... On May 8, 2014, at 5:39 PM, lawntreader@googlemail.com wrote: Well, they played "Help Me", "Coyote" and "A Case of You" with some old Joni chat about painting with words that we have all heard before, but an unexpected Joni treat on my big day. Of course the biggest birthday treat around this time for me has been to experience all the energy around here once again. Lori, you should leave more often if this is what happens when you come back :-)) I have been so touched by so many of the beautiful posts about this place and the people here. It's another day when I have felt so blessed, and part of those blessings is being in this space with you, Love Anita (SLS, Birthday Princess for one hour twenty minutes more) > > > Yayyyyy it is my birthday and I am now 60! Can you believe that I have BBC Radio 2 on, sitting with a glass of New Zealand Blanc and they have just announced they are going to explore the lyrical content of the music of Joni Mitchell. Fancy that on my birthday! > Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 21:55:49 +0100 (BST) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #156 Maggie, No matter how erudite the expert posters may be, and it is interesting to hear what they have to say,music is a personal subjective thing and only you know what you like even if others can suggest why you like it.I am surprised that there is a discussion as to why we still like aspects of her worst work, in an almost hair-shirted way, I suppose as a change from I like this the best. It's odd really I like vampire movies and many other styles, but I don't really rank them. I couldn't say which Beatles or Clapton Album I like best either. John >----Original Message---- >From: maggie_mcnally@yahoo.com >Date: 08/05/2014 16:48 >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Subj: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #156 > >OK, so I'm writing to say that I'm still here, even though I never post. It >partly is due to being on digest, but also because there are people here who >are so much more articulate about all things Joni, that I figure my role is to >read, learn, and then go put on the album in question. I always did play the >audience. > >I do find it interesting that on the subject of Shine, folks are in >agreement that it is not an example of Joni at her finest, yet I am also >seeing a variety of titles in the, "but I love..." statements. To each her >own, eh? > >Maggie >On Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:02 AM, onlyJMDL Digest > wrote: > >onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, May >8 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 156 > > > >========== > >TOPICS and authors in >this Digest: >-------- > Re: Who's still here [Catherine McKay >] > CMIARS/Shine [Betsy Blue >] > RE: CMIARS/Shine ["Susan E. >McNamara" ] > Re: Just curious ... who's still here? [Dave >Blackburn CMIARS [ingrid >lochrenberg ] >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: >Thu, 8 May 2014 05:14:32 -0700 (PDT) >From: Catherine McKay > >Subject: Re: Who's still here > >I have to agree with >you there. I've always preferred this format over the >chat room or message >boards type, and Facebook seems more like the message >board type. I can't see >many people posting long philosophical discussions >about Joni (or anything >else, for that matter) on Facebook, which lends itself >more to the "Here's >stuff about me and why my life is more wonderful/crappier >than yours; support >this cause, oh, and this one, too; here's a picture of a >cat" kind of thing >and to the ADHD side of anyone's personality. It was a very >long, cold winter >for many of us, at least in the north and the east, and even >here in the Big >Smoke, where it's now kinda-sorta spring because things are >budding and >blooming and I bravely put the winter boots and things away, but >it's still >much cooler and generally cloudier than it would normally be. I >keep reminding >people that, before long, we're all going to be bitching about >how hot and >humid it is. > > > >>________________________________ >> From: Rob >Procyk > >>To: joni@smoe.org >>Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 >1:10:42 >AM >>Subject: Who's still here >> >> >> the JMDL is the only place that >feels >like "home." Even though many of us are friends on Facebook and have >lots of >fun on there, I don't follow the Joni discussions on there, really. I >love >when I see JMDL emails in my inbox. This is the place for Joni >discussions for >me. So long story short, I'm still here. And as my fellow >Saskatchewan comrade >Kate stated, it's the shittiest Saskatchewan winter and >spring I can remember, >apart from my first Sask winter in 1981-82. I'd run >like Joni too, if I could, >although there's something about this place! >> >that just sticks to you in >ways I could never explain. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 8 May >2014 06:21:45 -0700 >From: Betsy Blue >Subject: >CMIARS/Shine > >Randy: "If you locked her in a garage with no producer, Shine is >what she >would come out with. Is it great? You tell me." > >I can never shake >the feeling that she made Shine during a solo week in her >BC place. It feels >like a demo, a reaction to the previous two albums. That >said, Night of the >Iguana is fantastic, and I love the piano-based songs. >If Joni released a >whole album of just piano, I'd buy it. The title track >rubs me the wrong way, >but overall, this is a good album that I frequently >enjoy listening to (most >of). > >Betsy >NP #selfie > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 >14:56:54 +0000 >From: "Susan E. McNamara" >Subject: RE: >CMIARS/Shine > >Do you think on the production side that it made a difference >that Joni was working with the Starbucks label and not Reprise on this album? >She had fulfilled her contract with Reprise and was basically retired. I >agree with Randy that it was great she was recording again ... and personally, >although not the best of her late period, I really love a couple of songs on >this disc, especially Hana (love it!!!), This Place, and If. I really love >Shine too but mostly for the message ... I'm usually not a big fan of her >cranky songs, but Shine has a meditative quality to it that sends me places. >Bob, I had to laugh at your description, Andy Rooney put to music. Haha! >Susan Tierney McNamara >email: sem8@cornell.edu > >- ----- Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner- joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Betsy Blue >Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 9: 22 AM >To: guitarzan05@gmail.com; joni@smoe.org >Subject: CMIARS/Shine > >Randy: "If you locked her in a garage with no producer, >Shine is what she would come out with. Is it great? You tell me." > >I can never >shake the feeling that she made Shine during a solo week in her BC place. It >feels like a demo, a reaction to the previous two albums. That said, Night of >the Iguana is fantastic, and I love the piano- based songs. >If Joni released a >whole album of just piano, I'd buy it. The title track rubs me the wrong way, >but overall, this is a good album that I frequently enjoy listening to (most >of). > >Betsy >NP #selfie > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 >11: 32:44 -0700 >From: Dave Blackburn >Subject: Re: Just >curious ... who's still here? > >Anne, > >A&M Studios, where Joni recorded most of >her albums, was pretty basic in 1970. Your equipment may actually be more >advanced than theirs, in certain repects. > >Dave > > >On May 5, 2014, at 8:45 >AM, Anne Sandstrom wrote: > >> Great to see you in m in >box, Lori! I'm still here, but mostly lurk these >> days. I've been super busy >recording a CD of my own music, but it means >> Joni's been on my mind a lot >lately. The CD whose sound I'm most trying >> to capture is LOTC. We're getting >closer (but limited somewhat because we >> recorded in in our home studio. I >have friends who were boasting about >> using a $12,000 microphone in their >recording. All our equipment and >> instruments barely add up to more than >that!) lots of love,Anne > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 5 May >2014 14:09:05 +0200 >From: ingrid lochrenberg >Subject: >CMIARS > >Something can be regarded by a person as a masterwork based solely on >it's >impact....with no criteria or intellectualization in- mind. >------------------------------ > >End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #156 >********************************* > >------- >Post messages to the list by >clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org >Unsubscribe by clicking here: >mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org? body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 19:56:22 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: CMIARS/Now Shine too Okay, as I listen, there's one definite song on Shine that stands out for me: "Night of the Iguana." That's some good stuff. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 09:48:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Maggie McNally Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #156 OK, so I'm writing to say that I'm still here, even though I never post. It partly is due to being on digest, but also because there are people here who are so much more articulate about all things Joni, that I figure my role is to read, learn, and then go put on the album in question. I always did play the audience. I do find it interesting that on the subject of Shine, folks are in agreement that it is not an example of Joni at her finest, yet I am also seeing a variety of titles in the, "but I love..." statements. To each her own, eh? Maggie On Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:02 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, May 8 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 156 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Who's still here [Catherine McKay ] CMIARS/Shine [Betsy Blue ] RE: CMIARS/Shine ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Just curious ... who's still here? [Dave Blackburn ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 05:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Who's still here I have to agree with you there. I've always preferred this format over the chat room or message boards type, and Facebook seems more like the message board type. I can't see many people posting long philosophical discussions about Joni (or anything else, for that matter) on Facebook, which lends itself more to the "Here's stuff about me and why my life is more wonderful/crappier than yours; support this cause, oh, and this one, too; here's a picture of a cat" kind of thing and to the ADHD side of anyone's personality. It was a very long, cold winter for many of us, at least in the north and the east, and even here in the Big Smoke, where it's now kinda-sorta spring because things are budding and blooming and I bravely put the winter boots and things away, but it's still much cooler and generally cloudier than it would normally be. I keep reminding people that, before long, we're all going to be bitching about how hot and humid it is. >________________________________ > From: Rob Procyk >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 1:10:42 AM >Subject: Who's still here > > > the JMDL is the only place that feels like "home." Even though many of us are friends on Facebook and have lots of fun on there, I don't follow the Joni discussions on there, really. I love when I see JMDL emails in my inbox. This is the place for Joni discussions for me. So long story short, I'm still here. And as my fellow Saskatchewan comrade Kate stated, it's the shittiest Saskatchewan winter and spring I can remember, apart from my first Sask winter in 1981-82. I'd run like Joni too, if I could, although there's something about this place! > that just sticks to you in ways I could never explain. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 06:21:45 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: CMIARS/Shine Randy: "If you locked her in a garage with no producer, Shine is what she would come out with. Is it great? You tell me." I can never shake the feeling that she made Shine during a solo week in her BC place. It feels like a demo, a reaction to the previous two albums. That said, Night of the Iguana is fantastic, and I love the piano-based songs. If Joni released a whole album of just piano, I'd buy it. The title track rubs me the wrong way, but overall, this is a good album that I frequently enjoy listening to (most of). Betsy NP #selfie - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 14:56:54 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: CMIARS/Shine Do you think on the production side that it made a difference that Joni was working with the Starbucks label and not Reprise on this album? She had fulfilled her contract with Reprise and was basically retired. I agree with Randy that it was great she was recording again ... and personally, although not the best of her late period, I really love a couple of songs on this disc, especially Hana (love it!!!), This Place, and If. I really love Shine too but mostly for the message ... I'm usually not a big fan of her cranky songs, but Shine has a meditative quality to it that sends me places. Bob, I had to laugh at your description, Andy Rooney put to music. Haha! Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Betsy Blue Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 9:22 AM To: guitarzan05@gmail.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: CMIARS/Shine Randy: "If you locked her in a garage with no producer, Shine is what she would come out with. Is it great? You tell me." I can never shake the feeling that she made Shine during a solo week in her BC place. It feels like a demo, a reaction to the previous two albums. That said, Night of the Iguana is fantastic, and I love the piano-based songs. If Joni released a whole album of just piano, I'd buy it. The title track rubs me the wrong way, but overall, this is a good album that I frequently enjoy listening to (most of). Betsy NP #selfie - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 11:32:44 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Just curious ... who's still here? Anne, A&M Studios, where Joni recorded most of her albums, was pretty basic in 1970. Your equipment may actually be more advanced than theirs, in certain repects. Dave On May 5, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Anne Sandstrom wrote: > Great to see you in m in box, Lori! I'm still here, but mostly lurk these > days. I've been super busy recording a CD of my own music, but it means > Joni's been on my mind a lot lately. The CD whose sound I'm most trying > to capture is LOTC. We're getting closer (but limited somewhat because we > recorded in in our home studio. I have friends who were boasting about > using a $12,000 microphone in their recording. All our equipment and > instruments barely add up to more than that!) lots of love,Anne - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 14:09:05 +0200 From: ingrid lochrenberg Subject: CMIARS Something can be regarded by a person as a masterwork based solely on it's impact....with no criteria or intellectualization in-mind. - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #156 ********************************* - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 13:51:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Winter in Florida Kate Johnson wrote: they reported an unusually cold winter down in Florida, too. It's a lie; absolutely not true. We've had a warm and wonderful, if slightly more rainy than usual, winter and spring in Florida. Expect a fourth consecutive year of record-breaking numbers of tourists. The extra rain, though, is good for the citrus and other crops. My girlfriend came in February from Chicago, the first time we had seen each other since 1981 (when she told me she was going to marry someone else) to spend a week in Florida as we get to know each other again (after two divorces apiece and being out of touch with each other for 30 years) and help each other heal from some difficult times we've experienced in the past 18 months). While she was here we had the chamber of commerce weather I promised her for her visit. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 17:34:01 -0400 From: Maggie McNally Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #156 Jzfvxbmbezc Maggie McNallykb f Please excuse the brevity as this message is sent from my iPhone > On May 8, 2014, at 4:55 PM, "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" wrote: > > Maggie, > > No matter how erudite the expert posters may be, and it is > interesting to hear what they have to say,music is a personal > subjective thing and only you know what you like even if others can > suggest why you like it.I am surprised that there is a discussion as to > why we still like aspects of her worst work, in an almost hair-shirted > way, I suppose as a change from I like this the best. It's odd really I > like vampire movies and many other styles, but I don't really rank > them. I couldn't say which Beatles or Clapton Album I like best either. > > > John > >> ----Original Message---- >> From: maggie_mcnally@yahoo.com >> Date: > 08/05/2014 16:48 >> To: "joni@smoe.org" >> Subj: Re: > onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #156 >> >> OK, so I'm writing to say that I'm still > here, even though I never post. It >> partly is due to being on digest, > but also because there are people here who >> are so much more articulate > about all things Joni, that I figure my role is to >> read, learn, and > then go put on the album in question. I always did play the >> audience. > >> >> I do find it interesting that on the subject of Shine, folks are in > >> agreement that it is not an example of Joni at her finest, yet I am > also >> seeing a variety of titles in the, "but I love..." statements. > To each her >> own, eh? >> >> Maggie >> On Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:02 AM, > onlyJMDL Digest >> wrote: >> >> onlyJMDL > Digest Thursday, May >> 8 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 156 > >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in >> this Digest: >> -------- >> Re: > Who's still here [Catherine McKay >> ca>] >> CMIARS/Shine [Betsy Blue > >> ] >> RE: CMIARS/Shine ["Susan > E. >> McNamara" ] >> Re: Just curious ... who's still > here? [Dave >> Blackburn CMIARS [ingrid >> lochrenberg com>] > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> Date: >> Thu, 8 May 2014 05:14:32 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Catherine McKay > >> >> Subject: Re: Who's still here >> >> I have to > agree with >> you there. I've always preferred this format over the >> chat > room or message >> boards type, and Facebook seems more like the message > >> board type. I can't see >> many people posting long philosophical > discussions >> about Joni (or anything >> else, for that matter) on > Facebook, which lends itself >> more to the "Here's >> stuff about me and > why my life is more wonderful/crappier >> than yours; support >> this > cause, oh, and this one, too; here's a picture of a >> cat" kind of thing > >> and to the ADHD side of anyone's personality. It was a very >> long, > cold winter >> for many of us, at least in the north and the east, and > even >> here in the Big >> Smoke, where it's now kinda-sorta spring because > things are >> budding and >> blooming and I bravely put the winter boots > and things away, but >> it's still >> much cooler and generally cloudier > than it would normally be. I >> keep reminding >> people that, before long, > we're all going to be bitching about >> how hot and >> humid it is. > >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Rob >> Procyk >> net> >>> To: joni@smoe.org >>> Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 >> 1:10:42 >> AM > >>> Subject: Who's still here >>> >>> >>> the JMDL is the only place that > >> feels >> like "home." Even though many of us are friends on Facebook and > have >> lots of >> fun on there, I don't follow the Joni discussions on > there, really. I >> love >> when I see JMDL emails in my inbox. This is the > place for Joni >> discussions for >> me. So long story short, I'm still > here. And as my fellow >> Saskatchewan comrade >> Kate stated, it's the > shittiest Saskatchewan winter and >> spring I can remember, >> apart from > my first Sask winter in 1981-82. I'd run >> like Joni too, if I could, > >> although there's something about this place! >> that just sticks to > you in >> ways I could never explain. >> >> ------------------------------ > >> Date: Thu, 8 May >> 2014 06:21:45 -0700 >> From: Betsy Blue > >> Subject: >> CMIARS/Shine >> >> Randy: "If you > locked her in a garage with no producer, Shine is >> what she >> would come > out with. Is it great? You tell me." >> >> I can never shake >> the feeling > that she made Shine during a solo week in her >> BC place. It feels >> like > a demo, a reaction to the previous two albums. That >> said, Night of the > >> Iguana is fantastic, and I love the piano-based songs. >> If Joni > released a >> whole album of just piano, I'd buy it. The title track > >> rubs me the wrong way, >> but overall, this is a good album that I > frequently >> enjoy listening to (most >> of). >> >> Betsy >> NP #selfie > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 >> 14:56:54 > +0000 >> From: "Susan E. McNamara" >> Subject: RE: > >> CMIARS/Shine >> >> Do you think on the production side that it made a > difference >> that Joni was working with the Starbucks label and not > Reprise on this album? >> She had fulfilled her contract with Reprise > and was basically retired. I >> agree with Randy that it was great she > was recording again ... and personally, >> although not the best of her > late period, I really love a couple of songs on >> this disc, especially > Hana (love it!!!), This Place, and If. I really love >> Shine too but > mostly for the message ... I'm usually not a big fan of her >> cranky > songs, but Shine has a meditative quality to it that sends me places. > >> Bob, I had to laugh at your description, Andy Rooney put to music. > Haha! >> Susan Tierney McNamara >> email: sem8@cornell.edu >> >> - ----- > Original Message----- >> From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner- > joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Betsy Blue >> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 9: > 22 AM >> To: guitarzan05@gmail.com; joni@smoe.org >> Subject: CMIARS/Shine > >> >> Randy: "If you locked her in a garage with no producer, >> Shine is > what she would come out with. Is it great? You tell me." >> >> I can never > >> shake the feeling that she made Shine during a solo week in her BC > place. It >> feels like a demo, a reaction to the previous two albums. > That said, Night of >> the Iguana is fantastic, and I love the piano- > based songs. >> If Joni released a >> whole album of just piano, I'd buy > it. The title track rubs me the wrong way, >> but overall, this is a good > album that I frequently enjoy listening to (most >> of). >> >> Betsy >> NP > #selfie >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 >> 11: > 32:44 -0700 >> From: Dave Blackburn >> Subject: Re: > Just >> curious ... who's still here? >> >> Anne, >> >> A&M Studios, where Joni > recorded most of >> her albums, was pretty basic in 1970. Your equipment > may actually be more >> advanced than theirs, in certain repects. > >> Dave >> >> >> On May 5, 2014, at 8:45 >> AM, Anne Sandstrom com> wrote: >> >>> Great to see you in m in >> box, Lori! I'm still here, > but mostly lurk these >>> days. I've been super busy >> recording a CD of > my own music, but it means >>> Joni's been on my mind a lot >> lately. The > CD whose sound I'm most trying >>> to capture is LOTC. We're getting > >> closer (but limited somewhat because we >>> recorded in in our home > studio. I >> have friends who were boasting about >>> using a $12,000 > microphone in their >> recording. All our equipment and >>> instruments > barely add up to more than >> that!) lots of love,Anne > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Mon, 5 May >> 2014 14:09:05 > +0200 >> From: ingrid lochrenberg >> Subject: > >> CMIARS >> >> Something can be regarded by a person as a masterwork based > solely on >> it's >> impact....with no criteria or intellectualization in- > mind. >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 > #156 >> ********************************* >> >> ------- >> Post messages to > the list by >> clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org >> Unsubscribe by > clicking here: >> mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org? > body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 21:37:59 +0100 From: lawntreader@googlemail.com Subject: BBC Radio 2 Yayyyyy it is my birthday and I am now 60! Can you believe that I have BBC Radio 2 on, sitting with a glass of New Zealand Blanc and they have just announced they are going to explore the lyrical content of the music of Joni Mitchell. Fancy that on my birthday! Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 14:30:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Masterworks From: ingrid lochrenberg Subject: CMIARS Something can be regarded by a person as a masterwork based solely on its impact....with no criteria or intellectualization in-mind. Even if this were a true statement, and I do not concede that it is, it STILL does not support the description of CMIARS as a masterwork. Under the earlier definition given (sorry, I forget who posted the definition of masterwork as a breakthrough accomplishment that positioned the artist a no longer an apprentice), STAS and C&S were mentioned, but I suggest it was really Blue. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 10:16:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: CMIARS/Shine I love a good grouchy song, being a grouch myself. I find that, as I age, I get more tolerant of some things and less tolerant of others. I do understand the sentiment behind bitching about "asshole[s] passing on the right" and "Red-light runners... on their cellphones" often has the same importance as more global issues like "lousy leadership" and "mass destruction." They are all symbols of people's selfishness and thoughtlessness, but on a very different scale. Lord knows, I'm constantly bitching about "assholes blocking the intersection" and "dumbasses texting while they walk and walking right into me," so I get the curmudgeonliness of it. And I like the music for "Shine" for the most part, but I also find the song goes on too long. And, oh, you kids, get offa my lawn! >________________________________ > From: Susan E. McNamara >To: Betsy Blue ; "guitarzan05@gmail.com" ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 10:56:54 AM >Subject: RE: CMIARS/Shine > > >I really love Shine too but mostly for the message ... I'm usually not a big fan of her cranky songs, but Shine has a meditative quality to it that sends me places. Bob, I had to laugh at your description, Andy Rooney put to music. Haha! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 17:18:21 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Joni meets Gilbert & Sullivan anyone else thought Joni has listened to Gilbert and Sullivan's "Model of a Modern Major General"> Anita, I would bet a buck or two that she did. We know her Dad was a music fan, loved big band and such. Surely she was exposed to some G&S, particularly what is probably their most popular play "Pirates Of Penzance". She was at least familiar with "Prithee, Pretty Maiden" that she sung live Oscar Brand back in 1966 in this wonderful video. http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=189&from=search Sidebar: speaking of G&S, I highly recommend "Topsy-Turvy", a great film about G&S from Mike Leigh, one of my favorite directors. Very off the beaten path for him in terms of story but just as high-caliber as the rest of his work. Another sidebar: Happy Birthday you sexy little siren you! Bob NP: Doves, "Lifelines" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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NRH was a delight for me, as was TI. Then came Hits and Misses, which were sort of pointless for me to buy except for "Urge for Going," which doesn't stand out for me as favorite song but I was glad to have it. Since then, though, it just seems as if Joni entered into a slump. TTT, with the exception of maybe two or three songs (mainly "Harlem in Havana" and "Man from Mars" -- although I was sort of bummed that she was singing about her cat; I understand loving a pet but ... whatever), was just disappointing to me. That was probably due in part to having been a member of this list for about a year and all the anticipation among us for a new album, and then it just not being what I'd hoped it would be. I can completely understand Joni using the Roland VG-8 on stage (as she did at the Jazz & Heritage Festival in New Orleans in 1995), but I don't understand using it in a studio setting. I liked BSN and Travelogue, but I was fortunate enough to be able to see Joni during the BSN tour, so I "got" what she was doing with the various orchestras. I didn't buy any of the subsequent boxed sets, as I already own every studio and live album of Joni's in several formats. And then came Shine ... and I'm listening to it now, just to be fair ... and it just doesn't cut it for me. It just seems empty or something. And that makes me sad, which is probably why I don't listen to it more often. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 20:24:29 -0700 From: Rick Hobbs-Seeley Subject: Re: CMIARS/Now Shine too Yes, I'm still here too. Albeit, the worst Lister of the bunch. I lurk the lurkers. Anywho. The CMIAR chat has been so interesting to me. It was actually the album that brought me back to Joni after a Mingus-imposed hiatus. I heard Snakes and Ladders on our spanking new radio station in LA called the WAVE - which still exists. I couldn't believe it was Joni. To me, she sounded so current and with it. I bought the CD, moved it to cassette and loaded it on my Walkman. My Secret Place came to symbolize my favorite beach in California ironically located by a nuclear power plant. CMIAR motivated me to look back to my period of ignoring her output -- Mingus to CMIAR and I now have passion for those mid career albums, including Mingus. It also set forth my passion for all that came after. I loved that she embraced the trends of the day and made her own beautiful way with all - realizing she had to sell records to survive life's demands. Then we come to Shine. Whomever said it sounded like she went into her garage and produced something organic was right in my mind. It did win a little Grammy, and I hope that resonated with her - it did for me. The artists' artist. We are blessed. Love, Coyote Rick - excited about spending time with my first JMDL friend, Kakki, tomorrow night. Sent from my iPhone >> On May 8, 2014, at 6:41 PM, Lori Renee Fye wrote: > > While I am not a big fan of any of Joni's post-WTRF albums I sort of read that as "any of Joni's post WTF albums." LOL ... and I like WTRF! Count me among the casualties of the internet/texting age, I guess. I'm still a huge fan of DED, but that album was very important to me when it came out and I was stationed in Germany and surrounded by so many people who had distinctly opposite opinions from mine about so many things. CMIARS was just "eh" for me for the most part, although I actually like "Dancin' Clown," although I'd be hard-pressed to explain why. NRH was a delight for me, as was TI. Then came Hits and Misses, which were sort of pointless for me to buy except for "Urge for Going," which doesn't stand out for me as favorite song but I was glad to have it. Since then, though, it just seems as if Joni entered into a slump. TTT, with the exception of maybe two or three songs (mainly "Harlem in Havana" and "Man from Mars" -- although I was sort of bummed that she was singing about her cat; I understand loving a pet but ... whatever), was just disappointing to me. That was probably due in part to having been a member of this list for about a year and all the anticipation among us for a new album, and then it just not being what I'd hoped it would be. I can completely understand Joni using the Roland VG-8 on stage (as she did at the Jazz & Heritage Festival in New Orleans in 1995), but I don't understand using it in a studio setting. I liked BSN and Travelogue, but I was fortunate enough to be able to see Joni during the BSN tour, so I "got" what she was doing with the various orchestras. I didn't buy any of the subsequent boxed sets, as I already own every studio and live album of Joni's in several formats. And then came Shine ... and I'm listening to it now, just to be fair ... and it just doesn't cut it for me. It just seems empty or something. And that makes me sad, which is probably why I don't listen to it more often. Lori ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #158 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe