From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #157 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, May 8 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 157 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: CMIARS/Shine [Garret ] Re: Joni meets Gilbert & Sullivan [lawntreader@googlemail.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #675 [SusanBTaylorBand Subject: Re: CMIARS/Shine It has been nice to see more than a cursory Joni related thread:) I don't think I have ever been able to actually listen to CMIARS. I think it's awful. I don't think WTRF and DED are much better. They each have songs that I really like; I could make one album that I would like from the three of those. I fully intend to give CMIARS some attention given the recent conversation. I have tried to listen to TTT and I think it's one of her weakest. TI, however, I adore and parts of NRH are just great. Shine, on the other hand, I still quite like. I was surprised when it was released as I had long assumed that JM just didn't have it in her to write another decent album (although I still hope that someone like Jack White might give her a shout and throw us something as great as Van Lear Rose). I used to listen to it travelling from Luton to Milton Keynes on the National Express when visiting the other half, so I have one of those indescribable connections with it that may go beyond the music. I agree with others that the production on Shine lacks a lot, but I actually like a lot of the songs. I secretly hope that someone will take it and turn it into something that feels more organic, if that makes any sense. I always skip the opening track which I think is a dreadful bore and I see BYT as pointless although a bit of fun. There is merit in the rest if it, IMO. It doesn't touch the pre 1980 albums (+ TI). It has been said on here that a weak JM album is better than most artist's albums. What do people think? Garret NP - Perfume Genius, Gay Angels On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > I also see this song as an update to Shadows and Light in a way. The > contrasts between kids playing and bombs exploding a half a mile away ... > the > churches and the prisons they own ... plus this phrase is how I feel right > now > > Shine on the pioneers > Those seekers of mental health > Craving simplicity > They travel inward > Past themselves ... may all their little lights shine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 22:27:45 +0100 From: lawntreader@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Joni meets Gilbert & Sullivan Now I am being spoilt in so many ways. Thank you, Bob, and Catherine for all this information about Joni, G and S and, of course, English colonialism. In relation to your side bar, Bob, about Mike Leigh, he is brilliant and you and I are in total agreement about that, as we are on your second side bar.... Love from SLS ( my new handle) > On 8 May 2014, at 22:18, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > anyone else thought Joni has listened to Gilbert and Sullivan's "Model of > a Modern Major General"> > > Anita, I would bet a buck or two that she did. We know her Dad was a music > fan, loved big band and such. Surely she was exposed to some G&S, > particularly what is probably their most popular play "Pirates Of > Penzance". She was at least familiar with "Prithee, Pretty Maiden" that > she sung live Oscar Brand back in 1966 in this wonderful video. > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=189&from=search > > Sidebar: speaking of G&S, I highly recommend "Topsy-Turvy", a great film > about G&S from Mike Leigh, one of my favorite directors. Very off the > beaten path for him in terms of story but just as high-caliber as the rest > of his work. > > Another sidebar: Happy Birthday you sexy little siren you! > > Bob > > NP: Doves, "Lifelines" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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Susan (from DFW TX area) Sent from my iPad > On May 8, 2014, at 4:26 PM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote: > > > JMDL Digest Thursday, May 8 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 675 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #156 ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Re: Who's still here NJC [lawntreader@googlemail.com] > Joni meets Gilbert & Sullivan [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] > RE: BBC Radio 2 ["Susan E. McNamara" ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 21:55:49 +0100 (BST) > From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" > Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #156 > > Maggie, > > No matter how erudite the expert posters may be, and it is > interesting to hear what they have to say,music is a personal > subjective thing and only you know what you like even if others can > suggest why you like it.I am surprised that there is a discussion as to > why we still like aspects of her worst work, in an almost hair-shirted > way, I suppose as a change from I like this the best. It's odd really I > like vampire movies and many other styles, but I don't really rank > them. I couldn't say which Beatles or Clapton Album I like best either. > > > John > >> ----Original Message---- >> From: maggie_mcnally@yahoo.com >> Date: > 08/05/2014 16:48 >> To: "joni@smoe.org" >> Subj: Re: > onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #156 >> >> OK, so I'm writing to say that I'm still > here, even though I never post. It >> partly is due to being on digest, > but also because there are people here who >> are so much more articulate > about all things Joni, that I figure my role is to >> read, learn, and > then go put on the album in question. I always did play the >> audience. > >> >> I do find it interesting that on the subject of Shine, folks are in > >> agreement that it is not an example of Joni at her finest, yet I am > also >> seeing a variety of titles in the, "but I love..." statements. > To each her >> own, eh? >> >> Maggie >> On Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:02 AM, > onlyJMDL Digest >> wrote: >> >> onlyJMDL > Digest Thursday, May >> 8 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 156 > >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in >> this Digest: >> -------- >> Re: > Who's still here [Catherine McKay >> ca>] >> CMIARS/Shine [Betsy Blue > >> ] >> RE: CMIARS/Shine ["Susan > E. >> McNamara" ] >> Re: Just curious ... who's still > here? [Dave >> Blackburn CMIARS [ingrid >> lochrenberg com>] > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> Date: >> Thu, 8 May 2014 05:14:32 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Catherine McKay > >> >> Subject: Re: Who's still here >> >> I have to > agree with >> you there. I've always preferred this format over the >> chat > room or message >> boards type, and Facebook seems more like the message > >> board type. I can't see >> many people posting long philosophical > discussions >> about Joni (or anything >> else, for that matter) on > Facebook, which lends itself >> more to the "Here's >> stuff about me and > why my life is more wonderful/crappier >> than yours; support >> this > cause, oh, and this one, too; here's a picture of a >> cat" kind of thing > >> and to the ADHD side of anyone's personality. It was a very >> long, > cold winter >> for many of us, at least in the north and the east, and > even >> here in the Big >> Smoke, where it's now kinda-sorta spring because > things are >> budding and >> blooming and I bravely put the winter boots > and things away, but >> it's still >> much cooler and generally cloudier > than it would normally be. I >> keep reminding >> people that, before long, > we're all going to be bitching about >> how hot and >> humid it is. > >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Rob >> Procyk >> net> >>> To: joni@smoe.org >>> Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 >> 1:10:42 >> AM > >>> Subject: Who's still here >>> >>> >>> the JMDL is the only place that > >> feels >> like "home." Even though many of us are friends on Facebook and > have >> lots of >> fun on there, I don't follow the Joni discussions on > there, really. I >> love >> when I see JMDL emails in my inbox. This is the > place for Joni >> discussions for >> me. So long story short, I'm still > here. And as my fellow >> Saskatchewan comrade >> Kate stated, it's the > shittiest Saskatchewan winter and >> spring I can remember, >> apart from > my first Sask winter in 1981-82. I'd run >> like Joni too, if I could, > >> although there's something about this place! >> that just sticks to > you in >> ways I could never explain. >> >> ------------------------------ > >> Date: Thu, 8 May >> 2014 06:21:45 -0700 >> From: Betsy Blue > >> Subject: >> CMIARS/Shine >> >> Randy: "If you > locked her in a garage with no producer, Shine is >> what she >> would come > out with. Is it great? You tell me." >> >> I can never shake >> the feeling > that she made Shine during a solo week in her >> BC place. It feels >> like > a demo, a reaction to the previous two albums. That >> said, Night of the > >> Iguana is fantastic, and I love the piano-based songs. >> If Joni > released a >> whole album of just piano, I'd buy it. The title track > >> rubs me the wrong way, >> but overall, this is a good album that I > frequently >> enjoy listening to (most >> of). >> >> Betsy >> NP #selfie > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 >> 14:56:54 > +0000 >> From: "Susan E. McNamara" >> Subject: RE: > >> CMIARS/Shine >> >> Do you think on the production side that it made a > difference >> that Joni was working with the Starbucks label and not > Reprise on this album? >> She had fulfilled her contract with Reprise > and was basically retired. I >> agree with Randy that it was great she > was recording again ... and personally, >> although not the best of her > late period, I really love a couple of songs on >> this disc, especially > Hana (love it!!!), This Place, and If. I really love >> Shine too but > mostly for the message ... I'm usually not a big fan of her >> cranky > songs, but Shine has a meditative quality to it that sends me places. > >> Bob, I had to laugh at your description, Andy Rooney put to music. > Haha! >> Susan Tierney McNamara >> email: sem8@cornell.edu >> >> - ----- > Original Message----- >> From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner- > joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Betsy Blue >> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 9: > 22 AM >> To: guitarzan05@gmail.com; joni@smoe.org >> Subject: CMIARS/Shine > >> >> Randy: "If you locked her in a garage with no producer, >> Shine is > what she would come out with. Is it great? You tell me." >> >> I can never > >> shake the feeling that she made Shine during a solo week in her BC > place. It >> feels like a demo, a reaction to the previous two albums. > That said, Night of >> the Iguana is fantastic, and I love the piano- > based songs. >> If Joni released a >> whole album of just piano, I'd buy > it. The title track rubs me the wrong way, >> but overall, this is a good > album that I frequently enjoy listening to (most >> of). >> >> Betsy >> NP > #selfie >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 >> 11: > 32:44 -0700 >> From: Dave Blackburn >> Subject: Re: > Just >> curious ... who's still here? >> >> Anne, >> >> A&M Studios, where Joni > recorded most of >> her albums, was pretty basic in 1970. Your equipment > may actually be more >> advanced than theirs, in certain repects. > >> Dave >> >> >> On May 5, 2014, at 8:45 >> AM, Anne Sandstrom com> wrote: >> >>> Great to see you in m in >> box, Lori! I'm still here, > but mostly lurk these >>> days. I've been super busy >> recording a CD of > my own music, but it means >>> Joni's been on my mind a lot >> lately. The > CD whose sound I'm most trying >>> to capture is LOTC. We're getting > >> closer (but limited somewhat because we >>> recorded in in our home > studio. I >> have friends who were boasting about >>> using a $12,000 > microphone in their >> recording. All our equipment and >>> instruments > barely add up to more than >> that!) lots of love,Anne > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Mon, 5 May >> 2014 14:09:05 > +0200 >> From: ingrid lochrenberg >> Subject: > >> CMIARS >> >> Something can be regarded by a person as a masterwork based > solely on >> it's >> impact....with no criteria or intellectualization in- > mind. >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 > #156 >> ********************************* >> >> ------- >> Post messages to > the list by >> clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org >> Unsubscribe by > clicking here: >> mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org? > body=unsubscribe > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 21:46:49 +0100 > From: lawntreader@googlemail.com > Subject: Re: Who's still here NJC > > Y.folks seem to get frustrated when no one replies to their >> posts and feel like no one is reading them. What we've seen over the past >> few days is that is just not the case. > > Can I dig up my no reaction post (only because it's my birthday :-)) about the Pirate of Penance from last week and ask if anyone else thought Joni has listened to Gilbert and Sullivan's "Model of a Modern Major General" from the Pirates of Penzance as rhythmic inspiration for her PoP ? > Love > The Birthday Princess > > > > > > >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Neil Finn, "Turn and Run" >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >> this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >> contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. >> >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >> sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 17:18:21 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Joni meets Gilbert & Sullivan > > anyone else thought Joni has listened to Gilbert and Sullivan's "Model of > a Modern Major General"> > > Anita, I would bet a buck or two that she did. We know her Dad was a music > fan, loved big band and such. Surely she was exposed to some G&S, > particularly what is probably their most popular play "Pirates Of > Penzance". She was at least familiar with "Prithee, Pretty Maiden" that > she sung live Oscar Brand back in 1966 in this wonderful video. > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=189&from=search > > Sidebar: speaking of G&S, I highly recommend "Topsy-Turvy", a great film > about G&S from Mike Leigh, one of my favorite directors. Very off the > beaten path for him in terms of story but just as high-caliber as the rest > of his work. > > Another sidebar: Happy Birthday you sexy little siren you! > > Bob > > NP: Doves, "Lifelines" > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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Can you believe that I have BBC Radio 2 on, sitting with a glass of New Zealand Blanc and they have just announced they are going to explore the lyrical content of the music of Joni Mitchell. Fancy that on my birthday! > Anita > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #675 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #157 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe