From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #155 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, May 8 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 155 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: cmiars, s, and now ear [Laura Stanley ] Who's still here [Rob Procyk ] Re: CMIARS/Now Shine too [Randy Remote ] Re: CMIARS [Anne Sandstrom ] My Old Man - Afternoon Delight [Laura O ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Just curious ... Who's still here? [Kate Johnson ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 [Michael Paz ] joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe [Thomas ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #620 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Just curious ... who's still here? [lawntreader@googlemail.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #616 [SusanBTaylorBand ] CMIARS - Masterwork [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: CMIARS a masterwork? ["David J. Phillips" ] Both Sides Now [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: CMIARS a masterwork? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #629 [SusanBTaylorBand ] Re: Just curious ... who's still here? [Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: cmiars, s, and now ear Dave wrote: The listeners ear was thus bombarded with conflicting cues about imaging and localization of sounds. Hi Dave, Each listener's brainstem uses the efferent cochlear bundle to individualize external sound wave stimulation of the organ of Corti in the inner ear. Bombardment won't exist in the ear of the listener who is transported 'into' the music similar to how sound waves don't stimulate the inner ear of somebody talked to while in deep thought or day dreaming. The auditory pathway provides the potential to hear physiologically differently from one ear to the next or one time to the next for the same listener. One person's noise is another's music and sometimes a song sounds better than at other times based on variable parameters in the nervous system. Love, Laura Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 23:10:42 -0600 From: Rob Procyk Subject: Who's still here Glad to see people responding to the "Who is Here" thread. I'm still here - 16 years now. I know I've rarely posted since about 2 children ago (I've got 4 kids now: 5, 8, 10, and, as of Sunday, 13), but I could never give up the list or you people. I haven't always kept up, but I cherish this place and the people I've become friends with here. I've been on other discussion lists, from Fleetwood Mac and Stevie Nicks to Skinny Puppy, and the JMDL is the only place that feels like "home." Even though many of us are friends on Facebook and have lots of fun on there, I don't follow the Joni discussions on there, really. I love when I see JMDL emails in my inbox. This is the place for Joni discussions for me. So long story short, I'm still here. And as my fellow Saskatchewan comrade Kate stated, it's the shittiest Saskatchewan winter and spring I can remember, apart from my first Sask winter in 1981-82. I'd run like Joni too, if I could, although there's something about this place that just sticks to you in ways I could never explain. Thanks Lori for starting the thread. C'mon fellow lurkers, chime in! In keeping with old pseudonyms, "Evian" Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 15:33:50 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: CMIARS/Now Shine too While I am not a big fan of any of Joni's post-WTRF albums, there are some things I like about Shine. First, that it came out at all, and second, that it is really the most "homemade" of any of her albums (since Blue, anyway). If you locked her in a garage with no producer, Shine is what she would come out with. Is it great? You tell me. Is it real? Yeah. Randy Remote, still here and hours from Sacto On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > I won t add my feelings about the songs on Shine, but I would comment on > the production itself and second Bob s description of it as hollow and > cheesy. When it first came out I probably nagged about the same things, > but I couldn t understand Joni s choice of real vs sampled instrumentation, > lack of direction, not using the many top players at her disposal, etc. > Furthermore, she told interviewers that it was her best work to date, which > I realize IS a promotional tactic but, REALLY? > > I work with a lot of shoestring budget recording projects that have no > choice but to use sampled instruments in place of the real thing, and if > you research the stuff available now there are some very beautiful samples, > but on Shine Joni just used a few stock factory presets from her keyboard, > probably thrilled that you could have a saxophone sound at the push of a > button, and most embarrassing of all, a guitar strumming loop at the push > of another button (BYT), saving her from having to bust out an actual > guitar and learn how to play the strum - this from a guitarist admired by > Pat Metheny. She did have Brian Blade on it, and that was commendable > considering she might have used a drum loop from the same keyboard instead, > and she did have Bob Sheppard play saxophone, but didn t bother to have him > replace the fake saxophone she had herself sequenced. Her voice was what it > was by 2007 so I suppose it s not fair to comment on it, but perhaps it is > fair to ask why she felt like ! > she could still make a record, especially given that she had already > delivered her official swan song in 2000. I know some here dislike > Travelogue and Both Sides Now, but they were magnificent productions with > big budgets and classic values as records; quite the antithesis of Shine. > > > Since this thread began with CMIARS, it is apt to mention the production > of that one too. The eighties were a pretty bleak decade for records > (although some gems came out, to be sure) but on the whole it was a decade > of thin substance and massively over-applied varnish; Chalk Mark fits right > in there. There may have been some good songs underneath the varnish, and > we got to hear what DED s Impossible Dreamer sounded like with just voice > and piano, but the ear was led away from the melodies and lyrics by the > gloss, the competing reverbs, the overly layered vocal parts (although I > happen to dig My Secret Place). By the way, that bright gloss was the > result of an eighties studio box called the Aphex Aural Exciter type C, > which practically defined the decade s music. Also, in 1982 the first > Lexicon digital reverbs appeared and it suddenly became possible to design > any imaginable space for the first time. This also defined the music of the > eighties and you could have the drums in! > one aural space, the guitars in another and the vocals in yet another. > The listener s ear was thus bombarded with conflicting cues about imaging > and localization of sounds. It could be done tastefully (Tears for Fears > The Seeds of Love for example) or it could be done badly, as is the case > with CMIARS. > > It was going to be 2c but ended as my 95c worth - ah well. > > Dave > > > > >> On 7 May 2014, at 13:04, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > >> > >> >> anything for me.> > >> > >> I hear you Anne. I was really excited like everyone else to hear that > Joni > >> was coming out with new material, and there are a couple worthwhile > songs > >> on it (Strong & Wrong, Night Of The Iguana, If) but the production is > >> hollow and cheesy and many of the songs are grasping at straws - and > >> almost embarrassing to re-record one of her more popular songs - why?. > >> Once again her ego got in the way of what could have been a better > >> product. And I can't BEAR to hear the title track, it's like a 7-minute > >> long droning WHINE. Andy Rooney put to music. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 23:20:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: CMIARS Paul asked: Seriously, I don't mean to make this too negative, but who can name a Joni album of new material that is worse than CMIARS? My response might make some wince. But, frankly, "Shine" didn't do anything for me. Add to that the fact that it was the last thing I gave Smurph (and it sort of defined that time), then I'd have to consider it my least favorite Joni album. lots of love,Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 16:14:38 -0500 From: Laura O Subject: My Old Man - Afternoon Delight Ran across this. Nice sound/cover of My Old Man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3zpqiRbl4g#t=78 Covered by CC Trubiak and Mark Kolt (piano) Enjoy! Laura ******FREEBIE*********** Pumpkin Seed Snack (yum) http://superseedz.com/index.php/snack-exchange ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 19:05:10 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 Apparently I'm terrified and cannot compose a correct sentence. Sheesh. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:26:48 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: Just curious ... Who's still here? On 2014-05-05, at 6:22 PM, Laura Stanley wrote: > Salut Kate!!! I think Lori posed the original question. How's the great white > north? Glad you are here! > Right back atcha, Laura! It is ridiculously cold here in Saskatchewan, what can I say. We are all whining and wondering if it's ever going to end. It's still snow-cold, is what I'm telling you. I had a chat with a couple American hunters today in the aisle of the grocery store in town, and while they were shocked at the temperature, they reported an unusually cold winter down in Florida too. All the migratory birds (the Americans are here to hunt snowbirds; we have flocks of them so large that the whole sky as far as you can see is filled with them; they don't call Saskatchewan the "land of living skies" for nothing; and yes, hunting in the spring is permitted; I enquired) seem to be back, and the frogs are a-croakin' in the slough behind my yard, so ... it must be spring. It just doesn't seem like it. No wonder Joni moved to California and also built on Vancouver Island. Not that I would, even if I could afford it, but I know many who would think that the life o' Riley. If this keeps up I might change my mind, though. Otherwise, you won't see me posting much to the list, but I do try to read as often as I can. Don't wanna miss the next Joni news! Kate (of the North) http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 17:43:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: CMIARS From: Anne Sandstrom > Subject: Re: CMIARS a masterwork? > > I'd have to agree that I don't think CMIARS qualifies as a masterwork. But after singing in a choir for a couple of years (and doing some pretty intricate pieces), I'd say that CMIARS is a singular work in Joni's catalog. I know many of you think Joni has never put out a bad album, but if you were all asked which of her albums was your least favorite or her worst, I'm guessing CMIARS would be strongly represented in that poll. It was not just a joke when I said earlier that CMIARS is aptly named, because for me there is not a memorable song on the entire album (except Bob M. might note that Dancin' Clown is memorable in a notorious sort of way). Seriously, I don't mean to make this too negative, but who can name a Joni album of new material that is worse than CMIARS? Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 19:04:37 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 Crap, I was so frightened myself that I left out to word "be". ;-) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 20:16:06 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 I can just recently walk AND chew gum Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Lori Renee Fye wrote: > Apparently I'm terrified and cannot compose a correct sentence. Sheesh. > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 14:29:59 +0000 From: Thomas Subject: joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe __________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 20:15:23 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #661 > > > JMDL Digest Monday, May 5 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 661 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > The Crickets [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 20:11:05 -0400 > From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com > Subject: The Crickets > > You described Buddy Holly's story. Are you sure about that? > > >The story about the crickets is that the cricket was an uninvited guest in > the studio. Klein and Joni couldn't eradicate it so they made the best of > it. Night Ride Home is a great record with some truly beautiful songs.> > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #661 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 08:23:37 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: The Crickets From the extensive and ever-burgeoning JMDL library: Excerpt from an interview she did to promote NRH. Bob NP: Gene Wooten, "Day Tripper" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 21:21:11 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: CMIARS I agree with Anne. There's nothing wrong with the word "favorite". If CMIARS is your favorite, no one say that you have misused a word. But if you say that CMIARS is "non-existent" or a "masterwork", you can plan on hearing a rebuttal. I'm glad to hear other points of view though. Jim Np: episode 3 of Ann Druyan's take on "Cosmos", called "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey" at full volume on the big rig. Anne Sandstrom, JMDL's living miracle said, > I'd have to agree that I don't think CMIARS qualifies as a masterwork> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 20:37:44 -0500 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Just curious ... Who's still here? So very good to hear how you are in Saskatchewan Kate!!! Sad about the birds being hunted, but I have heard how their overpopulation has cause damage to the land. Do you know why they are overpopulated? I am wondering if it might be caused by the rice fields in Arkansas where they roost for the winter. I have seen the sky full here too. Unbelievable! I hear them singing as they flying at night over my house. They are a beautiful sound, gentle in the distance. You will have a lovely Spring before you know it. Ours is turning to summer now with temperatures in the low 90's F already. I don't do well in the heat. Wow speaking of heat.. I'm watching a show on Animal Planet, and they just said 6000 years ago the earth's orbit changed slightly and the Sahara Desert formed. We really have no clue about what this ball we are traveling on will do next. Hopefully, human life can adapt... it already has in ways we might never know. "Particles of change orbiting around the sun." I hope and dream of traveling East to West across Canada with my girlfriend who wants to do the same someday. And there is always the possibility of heading north when we visit my AA sponsor in Bismark, ND, which will be sooner than the big tour. I love traveling, traveling, traveling. Back to work for me. Thanks for the visuals and dreams of the great white north. Soon you'll be enjoying perfect weather, and we'll be roasting, Please, keep in touch. Love, Laura Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2014, at 7:26 PM, Kate Johnson wrote: > > >> On 2014-05-05, at 6:22 PM, Laura Stanley wrote: >> >> Salut Kate!!! I think Lori posed the original question. How's the great white >> north? Glad you are here! > > Right back atcha, Laura! > It is ridiculously cold here in Saskatchewan, what can I say. We are all whining and wondering if it's ever going to end. It's still snow-cold, is what I'm telling you. > I had a chat with a couple American hunters today in the aisle of the grocery store in town, and while they were shocked at the temperature, they reported an unusually cold winter down in Florida too. > All the migratory birds (the Americans are here to hunt snowbirds; we have flocks of them so large that the whole sky as far as you can see is filled with them; they don't call Saskatchewan the "land of living skies" for nothing; and yes, hunting in the spring is permitted; I enquired) seem to be back, and the frogs are a-croakin' in the slough behind my yard, so ... it must be spring. It just doesn't seem like it. > No wonder Joni moved to California and also built on Vancouver Island. > Not that I would, even if I could afford it, but I know many who would think that the life o' Riley. > If this keeps up I might change my mind, though. > > Otherwise, you won't see me posting much to the list, but I do try to read as often as I can. Don't wanna miss the next Joni news! > > Kate (of the North) > http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 09:15:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Imagine if you joined yesterday and saw what was pretty much a recent-year's worth of posts in 24 hours and how frightening that might be. How long since that has happened? Greetings to friends old and new. I'm glad Lori's post brought out oldies, newbies and lurkers alike. >________________________________ > From: "lawntreader@googlemail.com" >To: Thomas >Cc: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:04:16 AM >Subject: Re: joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > > >Must mean Thomas is not here, I guess ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 13:49:11 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: CMIARS a masterwork? > I've never really read anything on how Joni composed the songs. My best guess would be: In a hurry. ;-) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 12:58:55 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #620 See how easy? Thanks for the introduction Susan. Music teachers are a special lot; thanks for doing what you do. Several children have recorded Circle Game and BSN as well as Big Yellow Taxi. Always sounds funny to hear a 10-year-old sing "I've looked at life from both sides now" - ha! The story about the crickets is that the cricket was an uninvited guest in the studio. Klein and Joni couldn't eradicate it so they made the best of it. Night Ride Home is a great record with some truly beautiful songs. Bob NP: Howling Bells, "In The Woods" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 18:44:09 +0100 From: lawntreader@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Just curious ... who's still here? I'm still here,Lori, repeating myself and being kindly tolerated by my JMDL mates. Good to hear from you! Anita x > On 5 May 2014, at 04:44, Lori Renee Fye wrote: > > I would've marked this email NJC but then not everyone would receive it. > > Who's still here? Just wondering. > > Lori, > who quietly returned recently, > writing from Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 09:53:05 -0500 From: SusanBTaylorBand Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #616 I would like to join in on some conversations. As former singer-songwriter myself, Joni Mitchell was a great influence when I was young starting out. Susan from DFW, TX Sent from my iPad > On May 5, 2014, at 9:38 AM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote: > > > JMDL Digest Monday, May 5 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 616 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Just curious ... who's still here? [Richard Flynn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 10:30:18 -0400 > From: Richard Flynn > Subject: Re: Just curious ... who's still here? > > I'm here! > > Richard Flynn > Professor of Literature > Georgia Southern University > https://sites.google.com/a/georgiasouthern.edu/rflynn > http://georgiasouthern.academia.edu/RichardFlynn > >> On May 5, 2014, at 8:51 AM, "Mark" wrote: >> >> I'm still here occasionally contributing my two cents worth. Of course I have a way of spreading two cents a long way on the rare occasions when I do post. >> >> Dive back in, Lori. I miss your input. >> >> Mark in Seattle. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Lori Renee Fye >> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 8:44 PM >> To: Joni List >> Subject: Just curious ... who's still here? >> >> I would've marked this email NJC but then not everyone would receive it. >> >> Who's still here? Just wondering. >> >> Lori, >> who quietly returned recently, >> writing from Caldwell, Idaho > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #616 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:45:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: Just curious ... who's still here? Great to see you in m in box, Lori! I'm still here, but mostly lurk these days. I've been super busy recording a CD of my own music, but it means Joni's been on my mind a lot lately. The CD whose sound I'm most trying to capture is LOTC. We're getting closer (but limited somewhat because we recorded in in our home studio. I have friends who were boasting about using a $12,000 microphone in their recording. All our equipment and instruments barely add up to more than that!) lots of love,Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 05:51:20 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Just curious ... who's still here? I'm still here occasionally contributing my two cents worth. Of course I have a way of spreading two cents a long way on the rare occasions when I do post. Dive back in, Lori. I miss your input. Mark in Seattle. - -----Original Message----- From: Lori Renee Fye Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 8:44 PM To: Joni List Subject: Just curious ... who's still here? I would've marked this email NJC but then not everyone would receive it. Who's still here? Just wondering. Lori, who quietly returned recently, writing from Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 07:49:40 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: CMIARS - Masterwork 'chalkmark in a rainstorm' is a masterwork!> Compared to what? What do you base this on? What's the criteria? Bob NP: Hero, "Family Of The Year" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 09:17:27 -0400 From: "David J. Phillips" Subject: Re: CMIARS a masterwork? Just to be pedantic, isn't (or wasn't) a masterwork the single piece that proved one was no longer an apprentice (and, in another system of craft production, could set up shop on one's own, and take on apprentices)? So perhaps Song to a Seagull is Mitchell's masterwork, or Court and Spark. Certainly nothing later. djp On 05/05/14 08:5018, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > I just don't think it's fair to label something as a masterwork 'just > because' one says so. > > You can refer to Citizen Kane, Rhapsody In Blue, The Mona Lisa, Gone With > The Wind, The Sistine Chapel, To Kill A Mockingbird as masterworks and > nobody would bat an eye because they are recognized as such over time. I > think it dilutes the meaning of the word to put CMIARS in that category. > > Bob > > NP: Sinead O'Connor, "Nothing Compares To You" > > > > From: Jamie Zubairi Home > To: ingrid lochrenberg, > Cc: Joni JMDL > Date: 05/05/2014 08:32 AM > Subject: Re: CMIARS > Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > > > > Or even "the work of a master" > On 5 May 2014 13:13, "ingrid lochrenberg" wrote: > >> Something can be regarded by a person as a masterwork based solely on > it's >> impact....with no criteria or intellectualization in-mind. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 12:01:57 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Both Sides Now > Does anyone know how old Joni was when she wrote it? Wikipedia says that Judy Collins recorded the song in 1967, so then or sometime before then. If 1967, Joni would have been 23 or 24. It's likely she wrote the song before then, though, although that's just my guess. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 09:30:39 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: CMIARS a masterwork? That's a good point, David and it is indeed ONE definition of the word. Using that definition you could successfully contend that STAS was a masterwork; that is it proved that she could hold her own with her fellow artists of the times. By the same token, the other definition (and connotation) is the finest or most outstanding work of a specific artist. Which takes us to Betsy's description whereas Blue and Hejira (and Court and Spark) would fall into that category. Neither definition supports CMIARS as a masterwork. Doesn't mean you shouldn't like it or even say that it's your favorite though. Bob NP: Roadkill Ghost Choir, "Beggar's Guild" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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[Lori Renee Fye > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 11:24:47 -0600 > From: Lori Renee Fye > Subject: Re: Just curious ... who's still here? > >> Thanks for welcoming me Lori. > > You're welcome, Nina! > > I'm not usually part of the welcoming committee -- not that there's an > official one -- but you're only "next door" in Oregon so I figured I'd jump > in and do that. (Hello, neighbor!) > > What a wonderful Joni story! It's great to read a story from a recent > convert. :-) > > Although I've had absolutely nothing to do with its creation (I have a > guitar but I am a terrible player), are you aware of the Guitar/Piano > Transcriptions section on jm.com? > > http://jonimitchell.com/music/guitar.cfm > >> Song for Sharon made me tear up the first time I heard it. > > What about that song made you tear up? It's one of my long-time favorites, > but I'm curious to read your thoughts about it, Nina. > > Lori > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #629 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 11:02:31 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #620 > Always sounds funny to hear a 10-year-old sing "I've looked at life from both sides now" - ha! That made me almost spit my coffee out. Funny! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 11:24:47 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Just curious ... who's still here? > Thanks for welcoming me Lori. You're welcome, Nina! I'm not usually part of the welcoming committee -- not that there's an official one -- but you're only "next door" in Oregon so I figured I'd jump in and do that. (Hello, neighbor!) What a wonderful Joni story! It's great to read a story from a recent convert. :-) Although I've had absolutely nothing to do with its creation (I have a guitar but I am a terrible player), are you aware of the Guitar/Piano Transcriptions section on jm.com? http://jonimitchell.com/music/guitar.cfm > Song for Sharon made me tear up the first time I heard it. What about that song made you tear up? It's one of my long-time favorites, but I'm curious to read your thoughts about it, Nina. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 10:32:05 -0500 From: SusanBTaylorBand Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #620 So it looks pretty easy, just hit "reply" and I am in! I teach music to children (piano and guitar) and recently suggested a mother let her daughter learn Both Sides Now and Circle Game. Personally, one of my favorite songs is Woman of Heart and Mind; Coyote is a close second. "Night Ride Home" cd is what I enjoy playing while cooking. The way she samples crickets for the rhythm track was so creative (not surprised though). "Cherokee Louise" is an amazing song written about child sex abuse. Susan Sent from my iPad > On May 5, 2014, at 10:19 AM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote: > > > JMDL Digest Monday, May 5 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 620 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #616 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 11:08:04 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #616 > > Jump on in, Susan - favorite songs? Albums? 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