From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #153 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, May 7 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 153 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: CMIARS [Lori Renee Fye ] Here [Michael Sentance ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 [Michael Paz ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 [Michael Paz ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #646 [Jack Merkel ] CMIARS [Paul Ivice ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: CMIARS a masterwork? [Mariana Intagliata ] Re: CMIARS [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: CMIARS ["johnnybgoode@lineone.net" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 21:11:49 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: CMIARS > who can name a Joni album of new material that is worse than CMIARS? It may not be worse, but just as bad for me is Taming The Tiger. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 17:34:32 -0400 From: Michael Sentance Subject: Here I used to be here but I'm finding myself there many days. I read JMDL religiously first thing in the morning. I still love learning about her and her music especially from those far more knowledgeable than me. As I have said at other times, it is sometimes like sitting in a graduate course when you're still in high school. And I'm still hoping that Croz or someone convinces her to go to the studio once more. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 20:15:16 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 LoL!! I do bite and can do it hard with the 3 teeth I have left. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2014, at 8:05 PM, Lori Renee Fye wrote: >> I am new to the site. Just joined a few days ago. >> Yes, it is pretty frightening. > > Hi Lisa, and welcome! > > Pay no attention to Paz, and don't frightened. We don't bite (too hard). > :-) > > (Kidding. DO pay attention to Paz, although not about being afwaid.) > > Lori > Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 19:17:35 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 Welcome Lisa be vewy vewy afwaid Best Paz in New Orleans (still here after all these years 1998) On May 6, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Lisa Caswell wrote: Hi I am new to the site. Just joined a few days ago. Yes, it is pretty frightening. Lisa. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 19:55:48 -0500 From: Jack Merkel Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #646 Ha! I don't know about him, but the old Jack with the barely passable voice is still here! Jack Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2014, at 1:03 PM, lawntreader@googlemail.com wrote: > > Where is young Jack with the amazing voice? Jack are you still around? > Anita ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 17:43:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: CMIARS From: Anne Sandstrom > Subject: Re: CMIARS a masterwork? > > I'd have to agree that I don't think CMIARS qualifies as a masterwork. But after singing in a choir for a couple of years (and doing some pretty intricate pieces), I'd say that CMIARS is a singular work in Joni's catalog. I know many of you think Joni has never put out a bad album, but if you were all asked which of her albums was your least favorite or her worst, I'm guessing CMIARS would be strongly represented in that poll. It was not just a joke when I said earlier that CMIARS is aptly named, because for me there is not a memorable song on the entire album (except Bob M. might note that Dancin' Clown is memorable in a notorious sort of way). Seriously, I don't mean to make this too negative, but who can name a Joni album of new material that is worse than CMIARS? Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 19:03:55 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #667 > I am new to the site. Just joined a few days ago. > Yes, it is pretty frightening. Hi Lisa, and welcome! Pay no attention to Paz, and don't frightened. We don't bite (too hard). :-) (Kidding. DO pay attention to Paz, although not about being afwaid.) Lori Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:04:49 -0300 From: Mariana Intagliata Subject: Re: CMIARS a masterwork? I think she has a more textural approach to composition in this record. Eventhough it's not my favourite Joni album, I've always loved CMIARS, maybe because I grew up in the eighties and that sound is very dear to me, or maybe because it's a different Joni and I love being surprised by an artist. I think it is important to differentiate between a judgement of taste, and a judgement based on knowledge. You may not like CMIARS, or you may not enjoy it, but that would not make it a failure as a work of art. Mariana 2014-05-05 12:56 GMT-03:00 Anne Sandstrom : > I'd have to agree that I don't think CMIARS qualifies as a masterwork. > But after singing in a choir for a couple of years (and doing some pretty > intricate pieces), I'd say that CMIARS is a singular work in Joni's > catalog. The songs seem to be meant more for a number of voices, not one > voice. It's almost jarring when it gets to "A Bird That Whistles" because > there is one well defined melodic thread, rather than vocal parts that > fit together to form a whole. I've never really read anything on how Joni > composed the songs. I'd always assumed she took a very different > approach. I wouldn't be surprised if she recorded vocal parts in layers > as she wrote them. But that's just a complete guess. Does anybody know? > lots > of love,Anne on May 05, 2014, David J. Phillips > wrote: > > My online dictionary says "In modern English the word is usually > reserved for the best piece of work of a particular creative artist > or > craftsman." If we go with that definition, I can't imagine that > CMiaRS > qualifies. > > djp, following up his own post, for god's sake. > > On 05/05/14 09:1727, David J. Phillips wrote: > > Just to be pedantic, isn't (or wasn't) a masterwork the single > piece > > that proved one was no longer an apprentice (and, in another system > of > > craft production, could set up shop on one's own, and take on > apprentices)? > > > > So perhaps Song to a Seagull is Mitchell's masterwork, or Court and > > Spark. Certainly nothing later. > > > > djp > > > > > > On 05/05/14 08:5018, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > >> I just don't think it's fair to label something as a masterwork > 'just > >> because' one says so. > >> > >> You can refer to Citizen Kane, Rhapsody In Blue, The Mona Lisa, > Gone With > >> The Wind, The Sistine Chapel, To Kill A Mockingbird as masterworks > and > >> nobody would bat an eye because they are recognized as such over > time. I > >> think it dilutes the meaning of the word to put CMIARS in that > category. > >> > >> Bob > >> > >> NP: Sinead O'Connor, "Nothing Compares To You" > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Jamie Zubairi Home > >> To: ingrid lochrenberg, > >> Cc: Joni JMDL > >> Date: 05/05/2014 08:32 AM > >> Subject: Re: CMIARS > >> Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > >> > >> > >> > >> Or even "the work of a master" > >> On 5 May 2014 13:13, "ingrid lochrenberg" > wrote: > >> > >>> Something can be regarded by a person as a masterwork based > solely on > >> it's > >>> impact....with no criteria or intellectualization in-mind. > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person > >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > >> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > >> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, > >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > >> this message is prohibited. 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Add to that the fact that it was the last thing I gave Smurph (and it sort of defined that time), then I'd have to consider it my least favorite Joni album. lots of love,Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 07:49:59 +0100 (BST) From: "johnnybgoode@lineone.net" Subject: Re: CMIARS All, Regarding Taming the Tiger, it could be hybridised with The Tiger who came for Tea. see attached http://us6.campaign-archive2.com/?u=323597127dd1adc1e3e1dcea2&id=b9bd360513&e=acb2e9e71e However, the young audience could find "Sex Kills" confusing. I know it is heretical,but I've never really liked most of DJRD. John >---- Original Message---- >From: lori.fye@gmail.com >Date: 07/05/2014 03:11 >To: "Anne Sandstrom" >Cc: "ivpaul42 ." , "Joni List", >Subj: Re: CMIARS > >> who can name a Joni album of new material that is worse than CMIARS? > >It may not be worse, but just as bad for me is Taming The Tiger. > >Lori ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #153 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe