From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #149 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, May 5 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 149 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Both Sides Now [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: CMIARS [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #626 [SusanBTaylorBand ] Re: Just curious ... who's still here? [Dave Blackburn ] Re: CMIARS [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Just curious ... who's still here? [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 12:08:25 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Both Sides Now > Her Inspiration: > > I was reading Saul Bellow's "Henderson the Rain King" on a plane and early > in the book Henderson the Rain King is also up in a plane. He's on his way > to Africa and he looks down and sees these clouds. I put down the book, > looked out the window and saw clouds too, and I immediately started writing > the song. I had no idea that the song would become as popular as it did. Wow, great bit of trivia! Thanks! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 08:50:18 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: CMIARS I just don't think it's fair to label something as a masterwork 'just because' one says so. You can refer to Citizen Kane, Rhapsody In Blue, The Mona Lisa, Gone With The Wind, The Sistine Chapel, To Kill A Mockingbird as masterworks and nobody would bat an eye because they are recognized as such over time. I think it dilutes the meaning of the word to put CMIARS in that category. Bob NP: Sinead O'Connor, "Nothing Compares To You" From: Jamie Zubairi Home To: ingrid lochrenberg , Cc: Joni JMDL Date: 05/05/2014 08:32 AM Subject: Re: CMIARS Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Or even "the work of a master" On 5 May 2014 13:13, "ingrid lochrenberg" wrote: > Something can be regarded by a person as a masterwork based solely on it's > impact....with no criteria or intellectualization in-mind. - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Sent from my iPad > On May 5, 2014, at 12:02 PM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote: > > > JMDL Digest Monday, May 5 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 626 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #620 [Lori Renee Fye ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 11:02:31 -0600 > From: Lori Renee Fye > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #620 > >> Always sounds funny to hear a 10-year-old sing "I've looked at life from > both sides now" - ha! > > That made me almost spit my coffee out. Funny! > > Lori > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2014 #626 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 08:05:07 -0700 From: "Nina Pileggi" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2014 #616 I am here! My name is Nina Pileggi and I live in Beaverton, Oregon. I have been on the list for some time, but have never posted. Nina Pileggi Director, Sunset Yoga Center www.sunsetyoga.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 7:38 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2014 #616 JMDL Digest Monday, May 5 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 616 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Just curious ... who's still here? [Richard Flynn Subject: Re: Just curious ... who's still here? I'm here! Richard Flynn Professor of Literature Georgia Southern University https://sites.google.com/a/georgiasouthern.edu/rflynn http://georgiasouthern.academia.edu/RichardFlynn > On May 5, 2014, at 8:51 AM, "Mark" wrote: > > I'm still here occasionally contributing my two cents worth. Of course I have a way of spreading two cents a long way on the rare occasions when I do post. > > Dive back in, Lori. I miss your input. > > Mark in Seattle. > > -----Original Message----- From: Lori Renee Fye > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 8:44 PM > To: Joni List > Subject: Just curious ... who's still here? > > I would've marked this email NJC but then not everyone would receive it. > > Who's still here? Just wondering. > > Lori, > who quietly returned recently, > writing from Caldwell, Idaho - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2014 #616 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list,sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 08:39:18 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Just curious ... who's still here? I am, Lori. Actual Joni news is non-existent and discussion of most topics about her music have been wrapped up on the list years ago, possibly? All thats left is the club we have elected ourselves into and the friendships, which are certainly real. Oh, and plugs for fabulous concerts by Mutts of the PlanetI almost forgot to mention itHejira, June 1st, Carlsbad Village Theater, Carlsbad CA http://www.robinadler.com/ Tickets are selling briskly and it will be a one-off show so, er, if you can get yourself over to the bottom left corner of the USA that weekend you could actually hear it in person. love Dave On May 4, 2014, at 8:44 PM, Lori Renee Fye wrote: > I would've marked this email NJC but then not everyone would receive it. > > Who's still here? Just wondering. > > Lori, > who quietly returned recently, > writing from Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 09:22:56 -0400 From: "David J. Phillips" Subject: Re: CMIARS a masterwork? My online dictionary says "In modern English the word is usually reserved for the best piece of work of a particular creative artist or craftsman." If we go with that definition, I can't imagine that CMiaRS qualifies. djp, following up his own post, for god's sake. On 05/05/14 09:1727, David J. Phillips wrote: > Just to be pedantic, isn't (or wasn't) a masterwork the single piece > that proved one was no longer an apprentice (and, in another system of > craft production, could set up shop on one's own, and take on apprentices)? > > So perhaps Song to a Seagull is Mitchell's masterwork, or Court and > Spark. Certainly nothing later. > > djp > > > On 05/05/14 08:5018, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >> I just don't think it's fair to label something as a masterwork 'just >> because' one says so. >> >> You can refer to Citizen Kane, Rhapsody In Blue, The Mona Lisa, Gone With >> The Wind, The Sistine Chapel, To Kill A Mockingbird as masterworks and >> nobody would bat an eye because they are recognized as such over time. I >> think it dilutes the meaning of the word to put CMIARS in that category. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Sinead O'Connor, "Nothing Compares To You" >> >> >> >> From: Jamie Zubairi Home >> To: ingrid lochrenberg, >> Cc: Joni JMDL >> Date: 05/05/2014 08:32 AM >> Subject: Re: CMIARS >> Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org >> >> >> >> Or even "the work of a master" >> On 5 May 2014 13:13, "ingrid lochrenberg" wrote: >> >>> Something can be regarded by a person as a masterwork based solely on >> it's >>> impact....with no criteria or intellectualization in-mind. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >> this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >> contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. >> >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >> sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 10:50:43 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: CMIARS I think "masterwork," while having a generally accepted meaning for most people to refer to works that have caused some sort of awe for generations of people, can also work as a definition for a particular person in their own life. (This is me being diplomatic.) I'm listening to CMIARS right now in its entirety, since I just wrote in another thread that I think of it as an "eh" and since it's being discussed here. For me, it's not a masterwork, but I can see how it might be that for someone else. If something personally caused you awe, then for you it's a masterwork. I know of one former JMDLer who rates it as her favorite JM album (that would be Susan LA Chaloner, in case you're curious). Would the rest of the world see CMIARS that as a masterwork? No. However, I almost wrote in the previous thread that DED was a seminal album for me, so there ya go. ;-) I had to rethink that comment, because it was really Hejira that was *the* seminal album for me, although DED fits that description -- (of a work, event, moment, or figure) strongly influencing later developments -- to a certain extent. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 04:12:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Just curious ... who's still here? Still here. Just not posting much lately. >________________________________ > From: Lori Renee Fye >To: Joni List >Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2014 11:44:20 PM >Subject: Just curious ... who's still here? > > >I would've marked this email NJC but then not everyone would receive it. > >Who's still here? Just wondering. > >Lori, >who quietly returned recently, >writing from Caldwell, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 14:05:50 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Both Sides Now Does anyone know how old Joni was when she wrote it? Lori is right - She wrote in 1967 which would make her 24. Her Inspiration: I was reading Saul Bellow's "Henderson the Rain King" on a plane and early in the book Henderson the Rain King is also up in a plane. He's on his way to Africa and he looks down and sees these clouds. I put down the book, looked out the window and saw clouds too, and I immediately started writing the song. I had no idea that the song would become as popular as it did - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 12:54:10 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Both Sides Now > Really though, I would like to hang onto the thought forms > in my head that formed during college, that she was a child > prodigy songwriter. It's entirely possible that Joni wrote the song almost as soon as she was born. Perhaps the original lyric was, "I've seen the womb from both sides now ..." ;-) Lori ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #149 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe