From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #142 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, May 1 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 142 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Guardian 10 of Joni's best [lawntreader@googlemail.com] 10 best, maturity [Marianne Rizzo ] The Guardian 10 of Joni's best [Shari ] Re: The Guardian 10 of Joni's best [kbhla@fastmail.fm] RE: 10 of the best, maturity ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: The Guardian 10 of Joni's best [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: The Guardian 10 of Joni's best [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: 10 of the best, maturity ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:48:42 +0100 From: lawntreader@googlemail.com Subject: Re: The Guardian 10 of Joni's best On 30 Apr 2014, at 20:49, kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: I can't recall ever reading such insightful discussion of Joni's songs > outside of this list. That's the Guardian for you. The only newspaper I buy, Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:38:10 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: 10 best, maturity these are amazing songs. Thank you susan. Susan wrote: I have read and listened to many interviews and concerts where she completely dismisses her pre-70s songs and finds them childish. I would just like to say that I've talked to many fine musicians who think that Song To A Seagull is a masterpiece. There have been many jazz versions of I Had A King and almost all of the songs have a sublime quality to them for such a young artist. In the end, does it really matter what Joni says about this work, or is the music itself the judge? I personally think Marcie is a perfect song. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 05:43:53 -0700 From: Shari Subject: The Guardian 10 of Joni's best http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/apr/30/joni-mitchell-10-of-th e-best?CMP=twt_gu I see this list as more of a base for discussion than word. Nice to see someone do a more intellectual piece on her writing. Lots of Joni, Shari ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 12:49:33 -0700 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: The Guardian 10 of Joni's best I can't recall ever reading such insightful discussion of Joni's songs outside of this list. The writer really gets Joni and, as Bob notes, the subsequent comments also reminded me of some of the great discussions we have had here over the years. I was surprised - rarely see such depth and insight in online media. Kakki > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 09:21:53 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: The Guardian 10 of Joni's best > > Thanks Shari - this was a well-informed read, and the comments after the > article were just as interesting and reminded me of the discussions we > used to have here. I love that (3) of the 10 were Hejira songs and half > were from the HOSL/Hejira combo. Most all the songs deal with Joni's > injection of duality; love vs. freedom, wealth vs. bohemianism, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 01:10:17 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: 10 of the best, maturity I have read and listened to many interviews and concerts where she completely dismisses her pre-70s songs and finds them childish. I would just like to say that I've talked to many fine musicians who think that Song To A Seagull is a masterpiece. There have been many jazz versions of I Had A King and almost all of the songs have a sublime quality to them for such a young artist. In the end, does it really matter what Joni says about this work, or is the music itself the judge? I personally think Marcie is a perfect song. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Betsy Blue Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 12:28 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: 10 of the best, maturity "Mitchell is relentless in making her younger self seem callow and stupid. Where the 26-year-old Joni had seemed so confident that she was trilling precious wisdom, smug in her bubble of precocity, the 56-year-old Joni turns the words back on her without sympathy." This is specifically about BSN 2000, but I wonder if current Joni is starting to cut young Joni some slack. I recall hearing something in an interview about reflexively dismissing her earlier work. http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/apr/30/joni-mitchell-10-of-the-best?CMP=twt_gu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:03:12 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: The Guardian 10 of Joni's best I thought about you Kakki when I saw that there was NOTHING from FTR (!) I would certainly have included Ludwig aka Joni Symphony #1. At least the comments leaned heavily toward FTR songs. Anytime you make a list of this nature you're gonna end up with a face palm when you see what you missed. Bob NP: Tori Amos, "Famous Blue Raincoat" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I would nominate the title track for that distinction but then it's tough to select one slice of this musical masterpiece without taking it as a whole. Speaking of Sharon, today is her birthday. I've had some online conversations with her and she's a real sweetheart. I love seeing her more recent photographs, always surrounded by her loving family - children, grandchildren. Not exactly the way Joni ended up. Bob NP: Portishead, "Glory Box" From: Shari To: "" , Date: 04/30/2014 08:52 AM Subject: The Guardian 10 of Joni's best Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/apr/30/joni-mitchell-10-of-th e-best?CMP=twt_gu I see this list as more of a base for discussion than word. Nice to see someone do a more intellectual piece on her writing. Lots of Joni, Shari - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:19:19 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: 10 of the best, maturity I can't remember the exact context but in the Luminato Time Talks interview with John Pareles, after talking about 'Song to a Seagull', John Pareles started to ask Joni something about her 'more mature albums'. She stopped him and said 'That was a mature album'. I think there was some applause from the audience. I certainly would have applauded. I love 'STAS', one of my all time favorite albums. That record has a haunting beauty to it that always pulls me in. I'm no musician but I've been on the JMDL long enough to learn a bit of how to appreciate what she was doing with the guitar and the unique quality of those melodies. All so magically matched with her words. The guitar lines on 'I Had a King' and that beautiful arpeggio at the beginning of 'The Dawntreader' are sublime. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan E. McNamara Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 6:10 PM To: Betsy Blue ; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: 10 of the best, maturity I have read and listened to many interviews and concerts where she completely dismisses her pre-70s songs and finds them childish. I would just like to say that I've talked to many fine musicians who think that Song To A Seagull is a masterpiece. There have been many jazz versions of I Had A King and almost all of the songs have a sublime quality to them for such a young artist. In the end, does it really matter what Joni says about this work, or is the music itself the judge? I personally think Marcie is a perfect song. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Betsy Blue Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 12:28 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: 10 of the best, maturity "Mitchell is relentless in making her younger self seem callow and stupid. Where the 26-year-old Joni had seemed so confident that she was trilling precious wisdom, smug in her bubble of precocity, the 56-year-old Joni turns the words back on her without sympathy." This is specifically about BSN 2000, but I wonder if current Joni is starting to cut young Joni some slack. I recall hearing something in an interview about reflexively dismissing her earlier work. http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/apr/30/joni-mitchell-10-of-the-best?CMP=twt_gu ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #142 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe