From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #71 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, February 28 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 071 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: tunings ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: tunings [Debra Pease ] tunings [Debra Pease ] Re: tunings [Michael Paz ] New Library item: David Crosby: 'The FBI scare me more than Hell's Angels' [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.] Re: tunings [Victor ] Re: tunings [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: tunings [Dave Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 23:01:11 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: tunings Thanks Paz ... that makes me happy! :) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Michael Paz [mailto:michael@thepazgroup.com] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:46 PM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: Debra Pease; joni Subject: Re: tunings I stand by you tunings too babee as I have been studying them for years. Special thanks to all the other tunings gurus (Hi Marian, Howard, Mark...) as well as the modern day piano transcribers. You guys make jm.com the best artist site ever!!! I sat at the piano last night and was going thru the new book and working on some new tunes for me on the piano. Too cold to go outside to my non heated studio and play guitars but soon come.... Love Paz On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: I got my book yesterday but didn't get a chance to look at it yet. It is my understanding that Joel Bernstein, Joni's long time guitar technician, compiled and produced the book with Joni's imprimatur. Joni has said many times that she depended on Joel to keep an archive of her tunings because she didn't have time or the inclination to cling to old songs past! Although I stand behind some of the tried and true transcriptions on the JM.com site, I believe that there will be more than a couple differences between what we've come up with and what Joel believes is the way Joni played it. Plus I may be pleasantly surprised and find that, oh, maybe Joel got this one right and I'm wrong. I'm OK with that too. It's all a beautiful and fun process and I don't think we will be done soon studying our sublime Queen of Tunings. :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Debra Pease Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:02 PM To: joni Subject: tunings Hi there all I got my Joni tuning book and am seeing the chords a bit different then on the site. I have been working on Harrys House and it is different a little in the book. Also, Edith and the Kingpin is changed a bit too. So, my question is.who did these tunings for the book? Did Joni do them all or did she sign off on it and let some *person*have a go at it. Did she have any input in this book or like Girls like Us, she didnt want this. Sorry if this was asked and answered already. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 20:20:09 -0500 From: Debra Pease Subject: Re: tunings Thanks for all the response everyone. For example on the website when playing Harrys house, the intro has the 000040 sliding to the 002220. That is not in the book and that is what makes the song sound more like then song then anything so I will just go back and fourth. Cheers, Cat On Feb 27, 2014, at 6:28 PM, Victor wrote: > Was reading this thread at a sushi restaurant and the Counting Crows Big Yellow Taxi came on. It seems to be the token Joni cover on digital radio stations...rarely hear anything else. And of course, as Bob Muller can vouch for, there are virtually hundreds they could choose from. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 27, 2014, at 6:01 PM, "Susan E. McNamara" wrote: >> >> Thanks Paz ... that makes me happy! :) >> >> Susan Tierney McNamara >> email: sem8@cornell.edu >> >> From: Michael Paz [mailto:michael@thepazgroup.com] >> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:46 PM >> To: Susan E. McNamara >> Cc: Debra Pease; joni >> Subject: Re: tunings >> >> I stand by you tunings too babee as I have been studying them for years. >> Special thanks to all the other tunings gurus (Hi Marian, Howard, Mark...) as >> well as the modern day piano transcribers. You guys make jm.com >> the best artist site ever!!! >> I sat at the piano last night and was going thru the new book and working on >> some new tunes for me on the piano. Too cold to go outside to my non heated >> studio and play guitars but soon come.... >> >> >> Love >> >> Paz >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: >> >> I got my book yesterday but didn't get a chance to look at it yet. It is my >> understanding that Joel Bernstein, Joni's long time guitar technician, >> compiled and produced the book with Joni's imprimatur. Joni has said many >> times that she depended on Joel to keep an archive of her tunings because she >> didn't have time or the inclination to cling to old songs past! Although I >> stand behind some of the tried and true transcriptions on the >> JM.com site, I believe that there will be more than a couple >> differences between what we've come up with and what Joel believes is the way >> Joni played it. Plus I may be pleasantly surprised and find that, oh, maybe >> Joel got this one right and I'm wrong. I'm OK with that too. It's all a >> beautiful and fun process and I don't think we will be done soon studying our >> sublime Queen of Tunings. :-) >> >> Susan Tierney McNamara >> email: sem8@cornell.edu >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-joni@smoe.org >> [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Debra Pease >> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:02 PM >> To: joni >> Subject: tunings >> >> Hi there all >> I got my Joni tuning book and am seeing the chords a bit different then on >> the site. I have been working on Harrys House and it is different a little >> in the book. Also, Edith and the Kingpin is changed a bit too. So, my >> question is.who did these tunings for the book? Did Joni do them all or did >> she sign off on it and let some *person*have a go at it. Did she have any >> input in this book or like Girls like Us, she didnt want this. Sorry if this >> was asked and answered already. >> Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 17:01:37 -0500 From: Debra Pease Subject: tunings Hi there all I got my Joni tuning book and am seeing the chords a bit different then on the site. I have been working on Harrys House and it is different a little in the book. Also, Edith and the Kingpin is changed a bit too. So, my question is.who did these tunings for the book? Did Joni do them all or did she sign off on it and let some *person*have a go at it. Did she have any input in this book or like Girls like Us, she didnt want this. Sorry if this was asked and answered already. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 16:45:53 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: tunings I stand by you tunings too babee as I have been studying them for years. Special thanks to all the other tunings gurus (Hi Marian, Howard, Mark...) as well as the modern day piano transcribers. You guys make jm.com the best artist site ever!!! I sat at the piano last night and was going thru the new book and working on some new tunes for me on the piano. Too cold to go outside to my non heated studio and play guitars but soon come.... Love Paz On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: I got my book yesterday but didn't get a chance to look at it yet. It is my understanding that Joel Bernstein, Joni's long time guitar technician, compiled and produced the book with Joni's imprimatur. Joni has said many times that she depended on Joel to keep an archive of her tunings because she didn't have time or the inclination to cling to old songs past! Although I stand behind some of the tried and true transcriptions on the JM.com site, I believe that there will be more than a couple differences between what we've come up with and what Joel believes is the way Joni played it. Plus I may be pleasantly surprised and find that, oh, maybe Joel got this one right and I'm wrong. I'm OK with that too. It's all a beautiful and fun process and I don't think we will be done soon studying our sublime Queen of Tunings. :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Debra Pease Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:02 PM To: joni Subject: tunings Hi there all I got my Joni tuning book and am seeing the chords a bit different then on the site. I have been working on Harrys House and it is different a little in the book. Also, Edith and the Kingpin is changed a bit too. So, my question is.who did these tunings for the book? Did Joni do them all or did she sign off on it and let some *person*have a go at it. Did she have any input in this book or like Girls like Us, she didnt want this. Sorry if this was asked and answered already. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 17:10:10 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: David Crosby: 'The FBI scare me more than Hell's Angels' Title: David Crosby: 'The FBI scare me more than Hell's Angels' Publication: The Guardian Date: 2014.2.26 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2756 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 18:28:19 -0500 From: Victor Subject: Re: tunings Was reading this thread at a sushi restaurant and the Counting Crows Big Yellow Taxi came on. It seems to be the token Joni cover on digital radio stations...rarely hear anything else. And of course, as Bob Muller can vouch for, there are virtually hundreds they could choose from. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 27, 2014, at 6:01 PM, "Susan E. McNamara" wrote: > > Thanks Paz ... that makes me happy! :) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > From: Michael Paz [mailto:michael@thepazgroup.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:46 PM > To: Susan E. McNamara > Cc: Debra Pease; joni > Subject: Re: tunings > > I stand by you tunings too babee as I have been studying them for years. > Special thanks to all the other tunings gurus (Hi Marian, Howard, Mark...) as > well as the modern day piano transcribers. You guys make jm.com > the best artist site ever!!! > I sat at the piano last night and was going thru the new book and working on > some new tunes for me on the piano. Too cold to go outside to my non heated > studio and play guitars but soon come.... > > > Love > > Paz > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > > I got my book yesterday but didn't get a chance to look at it yet. It is my > understanding that Joel Bernstein, Joni's long time guitar technician, > compiled and produced the book with Joni's imprimatur. Joni has said many > times that she depended on Joel to keep an archive of her tunings because she > didn't have time or the inclination to cling to old songs past! Although I > stand behind some of the tried and true transcriptions on the > JM.com site, I believe that there will be more than a couple > differences between what we've come up with and what Joel believes is the way > Joni played it. Plus I may be pleasantly surprised and find that, oh, maybe > Joel got this one right and I'm wrong. I'm OK with that too. It's all a > beautiful and fun process and I don't think we will be done soon studying our > sublime Queen of Tunings. :-) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Debra Pease > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:02 PM > To: joni > Subject: tunings > > Hi there all > I got my Joni tuning book and am seeing the chords a bit different then on > the site. I have been working on Harrys House and it is different a little > in the book. Also, Edith and the Kingpin is changed a bit too. So, my > question is.who did these tunings for the book? Did Joni do them all or did > she sign off on it and let some *person*have a go at it. Did she have any > input in this book or like Girls like Us, she didnt want this. Sorry if this > was asked and answered already. > Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 17:07:29 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: tunings Catgirl, As I understand it by reading all the intro info, most if not all of it is Joel Bernstein's work. Bob NP: Koko Taylor, "Wang Dang Doodle" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Sometimes she chose a tuning that let her play the chords with one or two fingers, so ease was a factor; apparently her polio experience left her hand strength weaker. One another, but related note, I bet Joni would have loved having a baritone guitar, which are now commonplace but were rare in her heyday. All those slack strings and pitchy intonation issues go away when the guitar is meant to be dropped down a third or fourth. I played Hejira on a Brazilian rosewood baritone once and it was a whole different thing having it in tune. Dave On Feb 27, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > I got my book yesterday but didn't get a chance to look at it yet. It is my understanding that Joel Bernstein, Joni's long time guitar technician, compiled and produced the book with Joni's imprimatur. Joni has said many times that she depended on Joel to keep an archive of her tunings because she didn't have time or the inclination to cling to old songs past! Although I stand behind some of the tried and true transcriptions on the JM.com site, I believe that there will be more than a couple differences between what we've come up with and what Joel believes is the way Joni played it. Plus I may be pleasantly surprised and find that, oh, maybe Joel got this one right and I'm wrong. I'm OK with that too. It's all a beautiful and fun process and I don't think we will be done soon studying our sublime Queen of Tunings. :-) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #71 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe