From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #58 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, February 20 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 058 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- [none] ["Stephen" ] Dreadful Situation...Monika Bogdanowicz [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: biopic [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #57 [Michael Sentance ] RE: biopic ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Spot the Typos [Moni Kellermann ] Attention scam! mail from "Monika Bogdanowicz" [Moni Kellermann ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2014 02:27:43 +0100 From: "Stephen" Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:05:49 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Dreadful Situation...Monika Bogdanowicz I really hope you get this fast. i could not inform anyone about my trip, because it was impromptu.i had to be in Lviv(Ukraine) for a program. The program was successful, but my journey has turned sour.i was mugged at the park of the hotel where i stayed,all cash and credit card were stolen off me but luckily for me, i still have my passports with me. Now, my passport is in custody of the hotel management pending when i make payment. I've been to the Embassy and the Police here but they're not helping issues at all and my flight leaves in few hours from now but am having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills. Well I really need your financial assistance..Please, Let me know if you can help me out? Am freaked out at the moment. Monika. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 00:18:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: biopic I just think that Joni is too significant to be reduced to a "Girls Like Us" movie by John Sayles. I didn't mean to imply that if she got hit by a bus, the world would end. The world might end if she got run over by a tractor somewhere around Saskatoon in a snowstorm, going to visit her old friend Sharon Bell, talking about how she influenced the music on Steely Dan's Aja. And how she put the j dangling on the albumn cover of Hejira before they did on Aja. And with Joni running around New Mexico, dropping copies of her albumns off, in front of Georgia O'keefe's house is a litte too much to be put into a movie. "If" based on a poem by Rudyard Kipling, Joni, the icy, cerebral, Buddhist, got run over, crossing a street somewhere or anywhere, the world would not turn into "butterflies" around our nation. Nor would everyone be reduced to singing "Puff the Magic Dragon", pondering what the words to "Passion Play" mean. Pete Seeger recently passed, and everyone knows Joni was influenced by Pete Seeger, and that when she wanted to learn to play guitar, she got a Pete Seeger instruction manual, she tossed it away, wanting to develop her own guitar style, which she obviously did. Taylor Swift's "Red" an album I have never heard, but so obviously copied off of Joni Mitchell's "Blue" at least in terms of trying to make a significant albumn, and a word about it, is obviously a bad mistake. And i know Taylor Swift's shaking her hair around, at the piano, as if in some kind of epiletic seisure, was ridiculous. I, personally, wasn't a big fan of "Blue" I much prefer the early stuff and certain songs, barangrill is one of my favorite Joni songs. Is that going to be in the movie? Hunter the Good Samaratin is one of my favorite Joni songs. On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 6:30 PM, Jeff Clark wrote: Joni, still forever, sitting at her table and smoking her American Spirits, having conquered folk, rock, jazz, folk-rock, "world-music" Woodstock, Peter Gabriel, Willie Nelson, Linda Ronstadt, Picasso, Matisse, Barbrara Streisand, etc etc. How many "people" are seriously going to be alive when this woman puts out her autobiograhy. And she dosen't have to. There was the Autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman, everyone know Joni's thing about Miles Davis. That apparently she always wanted to work with him, but he was "inaccessable" and that when Miles Davis died, the report was that his son said he was listening to Joni's albumn's all the time before he died, even Dog Eat Dog and Taming the Tiger. I was reading Linda Rondstadt's autobiography, Willie Nelson's latest "Roll me up and Smoke me when I'm Dead" and watching the superbowl at the same time. Joni wants her poetry and thought to be preserved more than anything. This latest book of her guitar tunings and songs, she has mixed feelings about. It's not really healthy to get too obsessed with Joni Mitchell. What would happen if she got hit by a car or a bus crossing Sunset Blvd.? Would the whole world end? What would happen to her "still working on it" autobiography? Does David Geffen have the rights to it? I would like to see Joni Mitchell's work preserved. On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:13 PM, Anita wrote: I think Muller's idea of Joni playing the older Taylor Swift in said younger woman's biopic is the best - though my thoughts have increasingly moved towards animation. I'd sure like to see what Nick Park (of Wallace and Gromit) would make of the project, Anita On 19 Feb 2014, at 21:52, Jeff Clark wrote: > I think the whole Girls Like Us thing is ridiculous. Joni has said many times in interviews, "my peers aren't Carly Simon and these 'other women' " > Didn't Crosby say she's as humble as Mussolini? And when is Joni ever getting around to putting out her autobiography? Judy Collins and Crosby have put out two, and Neil Young, one. There was already Woman of Heart and Mind. Maybe Ken Burns should do a lengthy biop just on Joni. And at the same time, make a gigantic sculpture of her head out of a mountain around the Mt Rushmore/Crazy Horse area. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:55:50 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: biopic My takeaway from all that late-night rambling was: "It's not really healthy to get too obsessed with Joni Mitchell." Bob NP: Pharrell - "Despicable Me" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:42:35 -0500 From: Michael Sentance Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #57 As the "Taylor as Joni" conversation has just about played out, Mr. Clark's suggestion that Ken Burns do a documentary on Joni Mitchell triggered some other thoughts. I think the "A Woman of Heart and Mind" documentary is pretty good so I'm not sure that Burns would be a big upgrade. And I really don't want to watch another Jonathan Demme meandering documentary. Doing one decent one with Neil Young doesn't mean you should do more. Besides, I would want someone to tell about the passion - not the story - of Joni Mitchell. The person who might understand her is Cameron Crowe who did the excellent 1979 Rolling Stone interview with her. He gets the music. And the depth of his feeling for Joni is evident in "Almost Famous". The scene where William Miller is given "Blue" among other iconic albums is revealing. When Penny Lane was re-introduced to Russell Hammond, she begins to softly weep. "River" was actually being played in the background on the set when Kate Hudson did that scene; her emotion was brought forward by the song. The iconic scene when Penny Lane danced alone in the concert hall was filmed with Joni's "People's Parties" being played on the set. However as that song wasn't released until 1974, Crowe used Cat Steven' "The Wind" in the movie. (As we know, "People's Parties" was in Joni Mitchell's "Exile on Main Street" album -- or at least according to that audio magazine.) So I would vote for Cameron Crowe. He understands Joni. And, I think, he would "be honest, and unmerciful." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:17:08 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: biopic Too late!!! :-) I enjoyed your posts Jeff ... especially the thought of putting Joni on Mount Rushmore ... I get crazy like that sometimes too. I guess when it boils down to it, I would love to see an intensely serious movie much like Clint Eastwood did with Bird ... creative, honest, made by a person with a great love and dedication to the music, with a phenomenal actress with the power of a Forest Whitaker who fits the role. I'm not sure who that person is ... Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:56 AM To: Jeff Clark Cc: joni@smoe.org; Anita Subject: Re: biopic My takeaway from all that late-night rambling was: "It's not really healthy to get too obsessed with Joni Mitchell." Bob NP: Pharrell - "Despicable Me" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:35:14 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Spot the Typos Am 20.02.2014 05:05, Wie Catherine McKay so vortrefflich formulierte: > Those are NOT typos. They are mistakes resulting from lack of basic research. Nope. He simply mixed up the albums the songs are from. ""Coyote" (from Ladies of the Canyon) and "For Free" (Hejira)" should be ""Coyote" (from Hejira) and "For Free" (Ladies of the Canyon)". moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 20:31:58 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Attention scam! mail from "Monika Bogdanowicz" Dear all, if you just got a message from "Monika Bogdanowicz" with a story about a trip to the Ukraine - this is a scam! Do not reply or take any action. Apparently her Yahoo account has been hacked. If you google http://goo.gl/tO2z2y, you will find that there are many results, many of them dating back to 2013, so they are now using the current situation in the Ukraine to alert people. moni k. P.S. I deliberately left out the "NJC" in the subject line because this may affect everyone on any of the Joni lists. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:51:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: biopic is it you? On Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:17 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: Too late!!! :-) I enjoyed your posts Jeff ... especially the thought of putting Joni on Mount Rushmore ... I get crazy like that sometimes too. I guess when it boils down to it, I would love to see an intensely serious movie much like Clint Eastwood did with Bird ... creative, honest, made by a person with a great love and dedication to the music, with a phenomenal actress with the power of a Forest Whitaker who fits the role. I'm not sure who that person is ... Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:56 AM To: Jeff Clark Cc: joni@smoe.org; Anita Subject: Re: biopic My takeaway from all that late-night rambling was: "It's not really healthy to get too obsessed with Joni Mitchell." Bob NP: Pharrell - "Despicable Me" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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