From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #55 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, February 18 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 055 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: Taylor Swift as Joni (the tinted digest) [c Karma ] Re: Taylor as Joni redux [Gerald Kent ] Re: Taylor as Joni redux [Jussi Pukkila ] Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #266 [kbhla@fastmail.fm] Re: Pete Seeger, tell us about "We Shall Overcome"? ["Mark" ] Re: On Taylor [Mona Fitzgerald ] RE: (Oh Please) Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic [Ba] Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic [Victor Johnson] Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic [Dave Blackburn] Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic [Bob.Muller@Flu] Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic [Michael Paz ] RE: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic ["Susan E. McNa] RE: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic ["Susan E. McNa] Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic [Les Irvin Subject: re: Taylor Swift as Joni (the tinted digest) I'm glad that we may have some folks with the long view on the list. I've said before on this topic (with some risk) that Taylor Swift (whether you are a fan or not) has the ability to turn more fans in younger generations onto Joni Mitchell than... Joni Mitchell. If even 2% of those who gravitate to this project because of Swift become interested enough to check out the original, this could mean a huge boost to Joni's finances, her legacy and her fans. With regard to whether Swift has enough chops or as to the machine's motivation for insuring the project's success, two things come to mind:1. I think we've seen enough lace along Swift's seams to be confident she'll prepare,2. Swift is probably the most powerful woman in the pop music business right now, and3. If it is a total disaster, and Swift is awfulis that going to make you love Joni any less, or make it any harder to get friends and loved ones to understand your devotion? Michael:Taylor Swift may or may not be good as a young Joni Mitchell. But what she will do is introduce millions of young listeners to the poetry and music of Joni Mitchell. I'm for that. From Mona:If nothing else, Taylor - love her or not - she will bring the real-deal-Joni, to a new generation of people - and that -IMO is not a bad thing. I am staying open on this one - no judgment. Mona And of course, El Paz, re: Diana as Billie:I thought she did a good job on the Billie movie and certainly brought Billie's music to the attention to oodles of people out there who had no clue who Billie Holiday is only because they are fans of Supremes or Diana solo. IN all fairness to Ms. Swift the same thing would happen and then more people would know the difference and we might attract some new blood to the trough. Dave wrote *very correctly* (and let's remember that Joni owns her publishing, and can keep her music from being performed by anyone other than herself in the filmthe licenses for synchronization and for master use are separate negotiations):...sync licenses are different. When your music accompanies picture, the rights and royalties are negotiated by the copyright holder/publisher and could be potentially denied altogether. Stephen wrote:John Sayles did write the screen play so it can't be all that bad - and it would be a serious kick for the catalogue.I get a thrill every time I see Joni's name in the newspaper, or liner notes, or in third party reference. That's why it's so important for artists like Robin Adler and Mutts of the Planet as well as Taylor Swift to entertain and educate audiences about a unique and humane artist like Joni Mitchell. What brings you to a museum to see a great painting. It's a facsimile of the original that intrigues you to seek the original experience. CCnow playing: Prime Time Ice Dancing long program, 2014 Olympics ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 21:37:10 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic Now here's an idea I like! I'd greenlight this. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 12:25 PM To: Les Irvin Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic Maybe they should just trash the whole "Girls Like Us" idea and do a Taylor Swift biopic and get Joni to play Taylor as an old lady. Bob NP: Belle & Sebastian, "Your Cover's Blown" From: Les Irvin To: Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Date: 02/17/2014 03:12 PM Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Yeah but... Joni is a public figure. The movie doesn't need her approval to proceed, right? On 2/17/2014 12:57 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > Yes, Joni seemed pretty adamant at the TimesTalk at Luminato that this project was not getting her approval. - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Rob Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:08:02 -0500 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Taylor as Joni redux Check this out everyone. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vtQC8ILxHCs&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvtQC8ILxH Cs Sent from my iPad > On Feb 17, 2014, at 7:48 PM, Michael Sentance wrote: > > First, that report cites no source, no press release and no quote from > studio, director or the Swift camp. Although it is not definitive, IMDB has > no confirmation of it. > > Since this story first broke, I have flip-flopped on whether it is a good > idea. I have listened to Swift's songs and wondered what a Joni Mitchell > would be like in the paparazzi, TMZ, 24-hour-news-cycle, auto-tune world > of today. There are off-putting aspects to the Taylor Swift machine but > some of her songs are... ok. > > But more importantly, I want young people to know Joni Mitchell. I want > people to know her journey, her courage, her evolution as an artist and > musician. When I first listened to Joni, I also listened to Laura > Nyro, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Judy Collins. Other than Judy, do you think > young people know the others? > > Taylor Swift may or may not be good as a young Joni Mitchell. But what she > will do is introduce millions of young listeners to the poetry and music of > Joni Mitchell. I'm for that. > > That being said, I don't believe the report. Joni indicated that she > stopped the movie in her Toronto interview. And, while she is a historical > figure, someone would need to approve the use of her music in the movie. If > Joni was opposed to the film and stopped the use of her music, that would > be a killer. Witness the recent Justin Long movie, "A Case of You", which > couldn't get rights to the song that inspired the title. > > Further, Taylor Swift - after trying to mimic the Joni Mitchell look - has > recently cut her hair. (That probably revealed that I read too much about > Swift.) > > Best wishes to all. > > Michael > > #NL "Croz" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 05:10:06 +0200 From: Jussi Pukkila Subject: Re: Taylor as Joni redux I had to look up what Swift looks like, I'm so out of the loop. Of course looks is just a little part of it, but to me she doesn't look much like Joni - except at the end of the clip posted below, when she looks surprised, I can see it. I guess she's as close to Joni as Naomi Watts was to Lady Diana (which wasn't close). She's not saying anything too original about "Blue" on that clip, it might even be "fake", she might be acting - quite well, if that's the case! In all, I don't mind if the movie is made. It won't be all about Joni, so even if it's not good, it won't tarnish Joni's name. I didn't like the book that much actually, I didn't think it was that well written. Obviously the writer is a journalist, so one can understand all the facts crammed in. There's one celebrity I've thought is the spitting image of Joni, but now I can't recall it... Still I agree what was said before that getting a total unknown for the part (or for all 3 leads) would have been a good idea. - --jussi 18.2.2014 3:08, Gerald Kent kirjoitti: > Check this out everyone. > http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vtQC8ILxHCs&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvtQC8ILxH > Cs > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 17, 2014, at 7:48 PM, Michael Sentance wrote: >> >> First, that report cites no source, no press release and no quote from >> studio, director or the Swift camp. Although it is not definitive, IMDB has >> no confirmation of it. >> >> Since this story first broke, I have flip-flopped on whether it is a good >> idea. I have listened to Swift's songs and wondered what a Joni Mitchell >> would be like in the paparazzi, TMZ, 24-hour-news-cycle, auto-tune world >> of today. There are off-putting aspects to the Taylor Swift machine but >> some of her songs are... ok. >> >> But more importantly, I want young people to know Joni Mitchell. I want >> people to know her journey, her courage, her evolution as an artist and >> musician. When I first listened to Joni, I also listened to Laura >> Nyro, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Judy Collins. Other than Judy, do you think >> young people know the others? >> >> Taylor Swift may or may not be good as a young Joni Mitchell. But what she >> will do is introduce millions of young listeners to the poetry and music of >> Joni Mitchell. I'm for that. >> >> That being said, I don't believe the report. Joni indicated that she >> stopped the movie in her Toronto interview. And, while she is a historical >> figure, someone would need to approve the use of her music in the movie. If >> Joni was opposed to the film and stopped the use of her music, that would >> be a killer. Witness the recent Justin Long movie, "A Case of You", which >> couldn't get rights to the song that inspired the title. >> >> Further, Taylor Swift - after trying to mimic the Joni Mitchell look - has >> recently cut her hair. (That probably revealed that I read too much about >> Swift.) >> >> Best wishes to all. >> >> Michael >> >> #NL "Croz" - --- avast! Antivirus kdynnissd, joten tdssd sdhkvpostiviestissd ei ole viruksia tai haittaohjelmia. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 22:10:31 -0800 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2014 #266 Rob, I remember reading that Joni's parents learned about the baby about five years after Kilauren was born. Don't remember the cite offhand but think it was in an interview and could be found at JM.com. Graham Nash also knew about it early on. I always suspected it from the lyrics in Little Green and then found confirmation in the lyrics from Chinese Cafi. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:25:17 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Pete Seeger, tell us about "We Shall Overcome"? Simon, you just made my day. Being a big fan of Yip Harburg's lyrics, it's just a wonderful feeling to know he was connected with the great Pete Seger. Kind of the same way I felt when I found out that Joni admires Billie Holiday. Thank you, once again, Simon, for your amazing contributions. You raise our awareness here and that's a great thing. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: simon@icu.com Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 8:08 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Pete Seeger, tell us about "We Shall Overcome"? PETE SEEGER * 1919 - 2014 JONI MITCHELL: "Ever since I was six I dreamed of being a famous star. Since 12 I dreamed of escaping the Saskatoon winter wonderland to make my fame and fortune in sunny California. I learned to play guitar from a PETE SEEGER instruction book and record. Teen Magazine - Nov. 1973 - - - - - - Few people are aware of Pete Seeger's role in finding and popularizing the song "We Shall Overcome" THE anthem of the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s. The following is from the DEMOCRACY NOW! WebSite and their program "We Shall Overcome: An Hour with Legendary Folk Singer & Activist Pete Seeger" Audio, Video and Complete Transcript are avilable at the following URL: AMY GOODMAN: Pete Seeger, can you tell us about "We Shall Overcome"? PETE SEEGER: I thought, in 1946, when I learned it from a white woman who taught in a union labor school, the Highlander Folk School in Tennessee, that the song had been made up in 1946 by tobacco workers, because they sang it there to strike through the winter of 1946 in Charleston, South Carolina, and they taught the song to Zilphia Horton, the teacher at the labor school, and she said, "Oh, it was my favorite song." And I printed it in our little magazine in New York, Peoples Songs, as "We Will Overcome" in 1947. It was a friend of mine, Guy Carawan, who made it famous. He picked up my way of singing it, "We Shall Overcome," although there was another teacher there, Septima Clark, a Black woman. She felt that "shall"  like me, she felt it opened up the mouth better than "will," so thats the way she sang it. Anyway, Guy Carawan in 1960 taught it to the young people at the founding convention of SNCC, Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee, SNCC for short. And a month later, it wasnt a song, it was the song, throughout the South. Only two years ago, I get a letter from a professor in Pennsylvania, who uncovered an issue of the United Mine Workers Journal of February 1909, and a letter there on front page says, "Last year at a strike, we opened every meeting with a prayer, and singing that good old song, 'We Will Overcome.'" So its probably a late 19th century union version of what was a well-known gospel song. Ill overcome, Ill overcome, Ill overcome some day. AMY GOODMAN: You sang it for Martin Luther King? PETE SEEGER: In 1957, I went down to Highlander. Zilphia was dead, and Myles Horton, her husband, said, "We cant have a celebration of 25 years with this school without music. Wont you come down and help lead some songs?" So I went down, and Dr. King and Reverend Abernathy came up from Alabama to say a few words, and I sang a few songs, and that was one of them. Ann Braden drove King to a speaking engagement in Kentucky the next day; and she remembers him sitting in the back seat, saying, "We Shall Overcome." That song really sticks with you, doesnt it?" But he wasnt the song leader. It wasnt until another three years that Guy Carawan made it famous. AMY GOODMAN: Jim Musselman, do you want to add to that? JIM MUSSELMAN: Yes, I just wanted to interject one thing. Pete has always said that the beauty of a song is how it can be used and reused and changed for different movements and everything, and the song "We Shall Overcome," which was used in the Civil Rights Movement was then used in Tiananmen Square and used in so many movements around the world; and when we put out the first volume of The Songs of Pete Seeger, I did the song "We Shall Overcome" with Bruce Springsteen. And Bruce said, "I wanted to do a totally different version of the song," and he personalized it and sang it on a personal level, like he was singing it to one individual. And everybody was at first criticizing us, saying, "Why would you take that song and personalize it to an individual?" And then I started getting letters from parents whose children had leukemia and they said they were singing Bruces version of the song to their child, that well overcome this disease. And then after the Columbine massacre, one of the students out there played the song "We Shall Overcome" that Bruce Springsteen had done out at the Columbine funerals. And then, after September 11th, we got a call from NBC News on September 12th, and they wanted to do a video montage of the rescue workers, and they wanted to use Bruces song, "We Shall Overcome," and the song was played every single hour on the hour by NBC News, and it gave people a sense of hope and a soothing, not only because of Bruces voice, but also the song that they had known, which had been used to overcome so much adversity throughout our history. And thats the wonderful thing about the songs that Pete has found, is that they keep being used and used and used for different movements. And thats the beauty of not only the songs, but the timeless nature of how theyre always going to be used for different things. And its just beautiful to see the way "We Shall Overcome" has been used in so many battles and so many peoples movements around the world. AMY GOODMAN: Even as you are singing songs like that, it has also often been seen as a tremendous threat to the establishment. In 1963, the Fire & Police Research Association of Los Angeles warned before one of your appearances, Pete Seeger, that folk music in young gatherings were being used to brainwash and subvert vast segments of young peoples groups. PETE SEEGER: Oh, poor  I hope theyve learned a little different now. Thats 40 years ago, 41 years ago, but the establishment has always been concerned about music. Ive quoted Plato for years, who wrote, "Its very important that the wrong kind of music not be allowed in the Republic." And Ive also heard theres an old Arab proverb, "When the king puts the poet on his payroll, he cuts off the tongue of the poet." During the 1930s, I was very conscious that radio stations played nice love songs and funny songs, but only by accident did a song like "Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?" get through. The other songs tended to be more like Bing Crosbys hit of 1933, I think. "Wrap your troubles in dreams. Dream your troubles away." Thats how were going to lick the Depression? AMY GOODMAN: Did you know Yip Harburg, who wrote "Brother, Can You Spare a Dime"? PETE SEEGER: I knew him. I knew him very well. He was a wonderful guy. And I learned from  his son wrote a lovely biography, "The Man Who Put the Rainbow in the Wizard of Oz"" Is there time to tell that story? AMY GOODMAN: Yes, we have told it on Democracy Now! PETE SEEGER: Oh, well, then if you told it... AMY GOODMAN: No, no, no. There are many who havent heard it. PETE SEEGER: Yip and Harold Arlen, the musician, work out this plum of a job to write songs for a musical version of The Wizard of Oz, and they got this song, and then the producer was going to cut it from the show, says it slows up the opening. And they fought like tigers: "This movie is not going to be made unless this song is in it." Finally, it took Louis B. Mayer, himself, who says, "Were wasting a lot of money sitting around here arguing. Lets get started. Let the boys have their song." And, of course, its that song that brings back a revival of the movie all the time. Its a great song. I sang it last Feb 15th, a year ago. Wow! I was on First Avenue. There must have been hundreds of thousands of people stretched out. And I said, "You know this song. Ill give you the words." And I gave, just like I did with "Turn, Turn, Turn." I said, "Somewhere over the rainbow." And they sang, "Somewhere over the rainbow." "Way up high." "Way up high." "Theres a land I heard of once in a lullaby." "Theres a " So through the whole song, the hundreds of thousands of people sung it. But near the end  I do this whenever I sing the song  I say, "Theres two more short lines to this song, but I have to change two words." And I look heavenward and say, "Somewhere up there I can hear Yip saying, 'Pete, you can fool around with your old folk songs, but don't you touch "Over the Rainbow," please. Yip, wherever you are, I got to change two words 'cause if I'd been there when little Dorothy said, 'Why can't I? Id tell her, 'You know why you can't, Dorothy? Because you only ask for yourself. Youve got to ask for everybody, because either were all going to make it over that rainbow, or nobodys going to make it. And so, sing it, 'If plucky little bluebirds fly beyond the rainbow, why can't you and I?'" And the whole crowd sings these slightly different words. It's beautiful. And, of course, thats the story of Noahs Ark and the rainbow. Im sure Yip was thinking of that. This world will survive when we learn how to coexist. Okay, we disagree. You like to eat this way, and I like to eat that way. You like to dance that way. I like to dance this way. You think of this word meaning such and such. I use the same word, but Im thinking of something different. But if we learn the lesson of the rainbow, we will be here a hundred years from now. AMY GOODMAN: Were talking to Pete Seeger, and on this allmusic.com bio of you, it says "Pete Seegers adherence to the sanctity of folk music came to a boiling point with the advent of folk rock, and its long been rumored that he tried to pull the plug on Bob Dylans very electrified set with the Paul Butterfield Blues Band in 1965." Is that true? PETE SEEGER: No. Its true that I dont play electrified instruments. I dont know how to. On the other hand, I have played with people who play them beautifully, and I admire some of them. Howling Wolf was using electrified instruments at Newport just the day before Bob did. But I was furious that the sound was so distorted you could not understand a word that he was singing. He was singing a great song, "Maggies Farm," a great song, but you couldnt understand it. And I ran over to the soundman, said, "Fix the sound so you can understand him." And they hollered back, "No, this is the way they want it!" I dont know who they was, but I was so mad I said "Damn, if I had an axe Id cut the cable right now." I really was that mad. But I wasnt against Bob going electric. As a matter of fact, some of Bobs songs are still my favorites. What an artist he is. What a great  I would say maybe he and Woody and Buffy Sainte-Marie and Joni Mitchell and Malvina Reynolds are the greatest songwriters of the twentieth century, even though Irving Berlin made the most money. They wrote songs that were trying to help us understand where we are, what we gotta do. Still are writing them. AMY GOODMAN: Pete Seeger, here on Democracy Now! Back in a minute. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:59:02 -0800 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Look alike There's one celebrity I've thought is the spitting image of Joni, but now I can't recall Elizabeth Olsen? She's done some good work, too. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 21:34:36 -0500 From: Mona Fitzgerald Subject: Re: On Taylor I think Lady Gaga could play Laura Nyro. On Feb 17, 2014, at 7:48 PM, Barbara Sullivan wrote: > AND LAURA NYRO was not included..she puts Carly tocryin' shame. Those were > the girls with their boots on back then! > Ada > >> CC: joni@smoe.org >> From: gpkm6208@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: On Taylor >> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:43:19 -0500 >> To: chasada@msn.com >> >> And don't forget, her parents named her after James Taylor so I am assuming >> (which is probably not good to do) that she had early exposure to Joni. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Feb 17, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Barbara Sullivan wrote: >>> >>> >>> Taylor said "Blue" was her fav album? Did not know that. Ada >>> >>> Have a Grrr8...phenomenal day! >>> BARBEARUH >>> >>> >>>> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 00:20:18 +0000 >>>> From: gpkm6208@comcast.net >>>> To: monafitz@aol.com >>>> CC: joni@smoe.org >>>> Subject: Re: On Taylor >>>> >>>> Taylor has great respect for Joni and has identified, in the past, Blue > as >> her >>>> favorite album.B That being said, this is acting not how much an >> individual >>>> playing the role is like the character in their personal life.B Lets > stop >> the >>>> premature condemnation.B I agree with Mona.B >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Mona Fitzgerald" >>>> To: joni@smoe.org >>>> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 6:49:00 PM >>>> Subject: On Taylor >>>> >>>> If nothing else, Taylor - love her or not - she will bring the >> real-deal-Joni, >>>> to a new generation of people - and that -IMO is not a bad thing. B I > am >>>> staying open on this one - no judgment. Mona ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:34:01 -0500 From: Barbara Sullivan Subject: RE: (Oh Please) Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic The more I think of Taylor Swift playing Joni, the more I think she could do aprofessional job of it. She will have to wear flat shoes though. I can not think of anyone else that could come close. Unless maybe someone shows up on American Idol.My 2 cents. Well maybe a nickel...Snowwww go away!!Babs > Subject: Re: (Oh Please) Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic > From: michael@thepazgroup.com > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:12:25 -0600 > CC: joni@smoe.org; chandras@ix.netcom.com > To: simon@icu.com > > now hold off a minute there Buster!! Don't be trashing my home girl from > Detroit, Diana!! Even tho she is a hard to get along with Diva Bitch (personal > experience). I thought she did a good job on the Billie movie > and certainly brought Billie's music to the attention to oodles of people out > there who had no clue who Billie Holiday is only because they are fans of > Supremes or Diana solo. IN all fairness to Ms. Swift the same thing would > happen and then more people would know the difference and we might attract > some new blood to the trough. > Of Course then there was Carrie doing Julie Andrew's roll in The Sound Of > Music. I also thought while Carrie is NO Julie Andrews, she did a good job and > hats off to anyone who > can sing all that music in 3 hours LIVE without a net. > > just saying... > > > Paz > > > > > > > On Feb 17, 2014, at 2:03 PM, simon@icu.com wrote: > > On Feb 17, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Chandra wrote: > > > > http://www.forfolkssake.com/news/26726/news-taylor-swift-to-play-joni-mitchel > l-in-upcoming-biopic > > > I don't believe this for -1- Minute. > > Taylor Swift as Joni Mitchell is an INSULT! I'm quite sure Joni herself sees > it that way. > > This is a bigger joke that Diana Ross as Billie Holiday. > > > There are only two reasons for this casting (if true). > > 1. Taylor Swift is 'currently' popular. (So were Debbie Gibson & > Tiffany) > > 2. Taylor Swift is a singer. > > The fact that Taylor Swift is a singer IS The problem. > > Logically you'd want an experienced actress who would Lip-Sync to Joni's > recordings. > > Anything else is a travesty! > > > > andmoreagain, > - - - - - - - - - > simonM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:32:06 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic "I Am Sam" used cover songs of The Beatles since they were unable to obtain rights to the original recordings. Did they still have to get permission to use the songs themselves, even though they were cover versions? On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > I believe they need her permission to use her music though, and that may > be her way of blocking it. > > > > > On Feb 17, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > > > Yeah but... Joni is a public figure. The movie doesn't need her approval > to proceed, right? > > > > On 2/17/2014 12:57 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > >> Yes, Joni seemed pretty adamant at the TimesTalk at Luminato that this > project was not getting her approval. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 12:41:38 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic No, Les, sync licenses are different. When your music accompanies picture, the rights and royalties are negotiated by the copyright holder/publisher and could be potentially denied altogether. To simply record a cover song, where no picture is involved, you are right. Now, cover versions of the copyrighted songs might be different, as Victor points out, but then we have the excruciating prospect of Taylor Swift mimicking Jonis voice, look and guitar playing. Dave On Feb 17, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > Good point on the music. But also, one can record any song one wants and as long as one pays the "cover charge", right? So if they have Taylor Swift sing the songs in the movie, Joni can do nothing to stop that, right? I would expect NO original Joni recordings in the movie, that's for sure. > > On 2/17/2014 1:18 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: >> I guess the issue is, as simon said, whether they can use the music or not. The book itself did not get Joni participation either but was successful. I am just wondering how they would be able to get around the issue of not being able to use the music. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:48:26 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic They could call her Moni instead of Joni, perhaps> But then OUR Moni could protest. Maybe "Phony"? Bob NP: Snow Patrol, "If There's A Rocket Tie me To It" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 14:59:12 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic I would assume that Taylor's mgmt would WANT her to record her own versions so that it is her singing instead a mimic of Joan. On Feb 17, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: No, Les, sync licenses are different. When your music accompanies picture, the rights and royalties are negotiated by the copyright holder/publisher and could be potentially denied altogether. To simply record a cover song, where no picture is involved, you are right. Now, cover versions of the copyrighted songs might be different, as Victor points out, but then we have the excruciating prospect of Taylor Swift mimicking Jonis voice, look and guitar playing. Dave On Feb 17, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > Good point on the music. But also, one can record any song one wants and as long as one pays the "cover charge", right? So if they have Taylor Swift sing the songs in the movie, Joni can do nothing to stop that, right? I would expect NO original Joni recordings in the movie, that's for sure. > > On 2/17/2014 1:18 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: >> I guess the issue is, as simon said, whether they can use the music or not. The book itself did not get Joni participation either but was successful. I am just wondering how they would be able to get around the issue of not being able to use the music. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 12:32:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Arkay Adkisson" Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic Creative thinking. B b Sent from Mailbox for iPhone On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 2:32 PM, null wrote: > Maybe they should just trash the whole "Girls Like Us" idea and do a > Taylor Swift biopic and get Joni to play Taylor as an old lady. > Bob > NP: Belle & Sebastian, "Your Cover's Blown" > From: Les Irvin > To: > Cc: "joni@smoe.org" > Date: 02/17/2014 03:12 PM > Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic > Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > Yeah but... Joni is a public figure. The movie doesn't need her approval > to proceed, right? > On 2/17/2014 12:57 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: >> Yes, Joni seemed pretty adamant at the TimesTalk at Luminato that this > project was not getting her approval. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:43:19 -0500 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: On Taylor And don't forget, her parents named her after James Taylor so I am assuming (which is probably not good to do) that she had early exposure to Joni. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 17, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Barbara Sullivan wrote: > > > Taylor said "Blue" was her fav album? Did not know that. Ada > > Have a Grrr8...phenomenal day! > BARBEARUH > > > > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 00:20:18 +0000 > > From: gpkm6208@comcast.net > > To: monafitz@aol.com > > CC: joni@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: On Taylor > > > > Taylor has great respect for Joni and has identified, in the past, Blue as her > > favorite album.B That being said, this is acting not how much an individual > > playing the role is like the character in their personal life.B Lets stop the > > premature condemnation.B I agree with Mona.B > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mona Fitzgerald" > > To: joni@smoe.org > > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 6:49:00 PM > > Subject: On Taylor > > > > If nothing else, Taylor - love her or not - she will bring the real-deal-Joni, > > to a new generation of people - and that -IMO is not a bad thing. B I am > > staying open on this one - no judgment. Mona ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:18:03 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic I guess the issue is, as simon said, whether they can use the music or not. The book itself did not get Joni participation either but was successful. I am just wondering how they would be able to get around the issue of not being able to use the music. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 3:07 PM Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic Yeah but... Joni is a public figure. The movie doesn't need her approval to proceed, right? On 2/17/2014 12:57 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > Yes, Joni seemed pretty adamant at the TimesTalk at Luminato that this project was not getting her approval. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:30:58 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic What happened to the squelching? Susan Tierney McNamara email:B sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Chandra Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 2:23 PM To: simon@icu.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic http://www.forfolkssake.com/news/26726/news-taylor-swift-to-play-joni-mitchell-in-upcoming-biopic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:23:30 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic Good point on the music. But also, one can record any song one wants and as long as one pays the "cover charge", right? So if they have Taylor Swift sing the songs in the movie, Joni can do nothing to stop that, right? I would expect NO original Joni recordings in the movie, that's for sure. On 2/17/2014 1:18 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > I guess the issue is, as simon said, whether they can use the music or not. The book itself did not get Joni participation either but was successful. I am just wondering how they would be able to get around the issue of not being able to use the music. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:14:32 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic I've not heard of a Phony Joni but there has been a couple of "Foni Mitchell" cover bands out there. There was 1 in Europe (Italy I think) and 1 in San Francisco. They may not be performing anymore... http://www.fonimitchell.com/ Bob NP: Passenger, "Let Her Go" From: Anita To: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" , Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Date: 02/17/2014 03:54 PM Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Isn't there a tribute act called Phony Joni? Or am I making that up? Anita On 17 Feb 2014, at 20:48, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > They could call her Moni instead of Joni, perhaps> > > But then OUR Moni could protest. Maybe "Phony"? > > Bob > > NP: Snow Patrol, "If There's A Rocket Tie me To It" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:25:01 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic Maybe they should just trash the whole "Girls Like Us" idea and do a Taylor Swift biopic and get Joni to play Taylor as an old lady. Bob NP: Belle & Sebastian, "Your Cover's Blown" From: Les Irvin To: Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Date: 02/17/2014 03:12 PM Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Yeah but... Joni is a public figure. The movie doesn't need her approval to proceed, right? On 2/17/2014 12:57 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > Yes, Joni seemed pretty adamant at the TimesTalk at Luminato that this project was not getting her approval. - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:04:13 -0800 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic Fucking love this idea!!! > On Feb 17, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Anita wrote: > > Now THAT is a winner! > > Anita > >> On 17 Feb 2014, at 20:27, Les Irvin wrote: >> >> Best idea I've heard all day. No doubt Joni will jump at the chance. >> >>> On 2/17/2014 1:25 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >>> Maybe they should just trash the whole "Girls Like Us" idea and do a >>> Taylor Swift biopic and get Joni to play Taylor as an old lady. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:52:29 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic Isn't there a tribute act called Phony Joni? Or am I making that up? Anita On 17 Feb 2014, at 20:48, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > They could call her Moni instead of Joni, perhaps> > > But then OUR Moni could protest. Maybe "Phony"? > > Bob > > NP: Snow Patrol, "If There's A Rocket Tie me To It" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 14:57:45 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic LMAO!! On Feb 17, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: Maybe they should just trash the whole "Girls Like Us" idea and do a Taylor Swift biopic and get Joni to play Taylor as an old lady. Bob NP: Belle & Sebastian, "Your Cover's Blown" From: Les Irvin To: Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Date: 02/17/2014 03:12 PM Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Yeah but... Joni is a public figure. The movie doesn't need her approval to proceed, right? On 2/17/2014 12:57 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > Yes, Joni seemed pretty adamant at the TimesTalk at Luminato that this project was not getting her approval. - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:35:52 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: Taylor Swift to Play Joni Mitchell in upcoming biopic Maybe the producers will ask Taylor to write a few tunes that sound Joniesque, with similar depth and insight, just in case they can't use the originals. They could call her Moni instead of Joni, perhaps, Anita On 17 Feb 2014, at 20:20, Dave Blackburn wrote: > I believe they need her permission to use her music though, and that may be her way of blocking it. > > > > > On Feb 17, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > >> Yeah but... Joni is a public figure. The movie doesn't need her approval to proceed, right? >> >> On 2/17/2014 12:57 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: >>> Yes, Joni seemed pretty adamant at the TimesTalk at Luminato that this project was not getting her approval. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #55 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe