From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #42 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, February 10 2014 Volume 2014 : Number 042 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Fwd: JMDL tunings & transcriptions [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Re: The new Joni Tuning Book and a strange Dawntreader tuning ["Marian" <] JMDL tunings & transcriptions [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Re: The new Joni Tuning Book and a strange Dawntreader tuning [Dave Black] Re: JMDL tunings & transcriptions [Dave Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:32:32 -0500 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Fwd: JMDL tunings & transcriptions I left out Dave Blackburn. Sorry. That is the problem with name checking- I always forget someone. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 09:34:05 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: The new Joni Tuning Book and a strange Dawntreader tuning Yes, thank you Les, for creating JMDL and a place for all the transcriptions, and thank you, Sue, for getting the guitar archive started in the first place! I really enjoyed working with Sue, Howard, and Mark getting the guitar transcriptions together. I only wish there were still more songs to transcribe, but the So Far in the new book makes me feel hopeful that there might be. I do not have my book yet, either, but it is hard to imagine that the tuning/chord shapes are anything other than what is in Tino Meinen's transcription in the website. Her transcription is so perfect, and I can remember what a thrill it was learning to play that song when I first found it in JMDL. It will be interesting to see what is in the songbook. I imagine there might be other oddities in there. Marian + + + + + + Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 04:30:10 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Re: The new Joni Tuning Book and a strange Dawntreader tuning Thanks Les for your very kind words and the space you have given us low these many years to make some of the most beautiful music in the world accessible to anyone who has the courage to try and play it ... And thanks so much to my compatriot transcribers for their hard work. I haven't gotten my book yet, Anita, but I know I've been playing The Way It Is (a song that is not in the book but is on the site transcribed by Marian) and Dawntreader lately in DGDDAD and it sounds right on to me. I agree with Les that if you really want to play these songs exactly how Joni plays it ... Watch the videos and listen to the recordings and get into her head and after a while you will notice that there are certain fingering shapes she would most likely not use. I'm sure I'll have more to say on this subject when the book is in hand. Take care, Sue Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2014, at 1:10 PM, "Les Irvin" wrote: > > The unfortunate aspect of all this is that the fan-based transcriptions > have, as Anita mentioned, yet to be properly recognized and respected. > The debate will probably never be resolved as to the "exact way" that Joni > played these - Joni doesn't remember, and it's certainly possible that > Joel may have - at times - inexact notes or memory. > > In questions like this re Dawntreader (I expect more of them to come up) > it's all about knowing what left-hand shapes Joni tends to use, what > shapes she would probably never use, listening for open strings, watching > video of Joni playing them, etc... I think the JoniMitchell.com team of > guitarists (primarily Sue, Marian, Howard, Dave, and Mark) are the best > suited people on the planet to know these details and assess the "correct" > way to play them. > > Hopefully someday they'll get the respect and recognition they deserve. > If it weren't for the pricey copyrights, I think they should write their > own book! For now, the transcriptions on the website are real good, for > free. > >> On 2/8/2014 10:10 AM, Anita G wrote: >> Joni thanks Joel Bernstein for preserving the tunings, which is great, >> but I was SO surprised that there was no mention of Sue, Marian, Mark >> Howard nor your good self, Dave, who have made the songs accessible >> to us minions. + + + + + + ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:28:39 -0500 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: JMDL tunings & transcriptions I don't play guitar but I try to support my friends at every turn. Today, I write about Marian, Sue, Howard, and Mark. There have been many, many times in the life of the JMDL when somebody new was grateful and amazed by the breadth and accuracy of the tunings and transcriptions pages. As people who appreciate Joni's work, you took it to another level when you took the time to break it down and document it for others. To me, it is swell that you shared your time and skill. Further, you have shared your own TALENT with every random stranger who looks at the site. You have truly enriched Joni's legacy. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 07:55:25 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: The new Joni Tuning Book and a strange Dawntreader tuning More thoughts on chord shapes Joni has said many times she has weakness in her hands from post-polio syndrome which caused her to seek chord shapes that were easy to play, so, a good rule of thumb is that the easiest ones to play are the right ones. She used a lot of one finger stops, and a few favored easy shapes that she slides up and down the neck to make her progressions. Her right hand technique, by contrast, is not simplistic at all, employing a wonderful combination of finger picking, simultaneous string plucking, up brush strums and backbeat slaps. Her right hand position should be in a textbook for correct technique: the thumb extended outward, the wrist raised but cocked downwards so the fingers meet the strings square on without diagonal scraping. She leaves the top two strings open very often so the Dawntreader tuning in the new book that substitutes a second string G for A should be pretty easy to hear that its wrong. She also has long slender hands so she used her left hand thumb a lot for bass notes. Her single most used chord shape seems to be like a first position Emajor shape with the thumb over the top to play the F# bass (visualized in standard tuning). Personally I finger it differently, but there are many videos of her playing this shape this way. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 11:12:27 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: JMDL tunings & transcriptions No problem, Jim. I was a relative latecomer to the charting crew. I would like to acknowledge Michael Dunn also, who although not on the JMDL, is a lifelong Joni fan and an excellent transcriber. He has contributed quite a few excellent piano charts which I have uploaded on his behalf, and he and I recently had the privilege to work together on Paprika Plains, the complete unabridged score, made possible by none other than Mike Gibbs supplying photocopies of his original pencil score from 1977. This, we hope will be a big contribution to Joni scholarship now and in the future. Mike Gibbs is proofreading our work at the moment and once he gives his thumbs up it will be posted for all to study, as a pdf of all 25 pages of 11 x 17 score paper, as well as a piano/vocal only version. You really gain a different insight into a composers work when you analyze it this closely and it still stands up to such scrutiny. Dave p.s about to have a visit from JMDLer Benedicte Nielsen-Whitehead and husband Jim in one hours time. On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:32 AM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: > I left out Dave Blackburn. Sorry. That is the problem with name checking- I always forget someone. > > Jim ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2014 #42 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe