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onlyJMDL Digest      Thursday, December 5 2013      Volume 2013 : Number 475



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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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  Re: new Alex Acuna interview           [Anita <lawntreader@googlemail.com>]
  Re: new Alex Acuna interview        [Michael Paz <michael@thepazgroup.com>]
  That thread about Paprika Plains  ["Jim L'Hommedieu" <jlhommedieu@insight.]
  RE: paprika plains                 ["Susan E. McNamara" <sem8@cornell.edu>]
  paprika plains                    [Marianne Rizzo <treegreen1@hotmail.com>]
  Re: dancing clown; Ray's Dad's cadillac  ["Mark" <mark.travis@frontier.com]
  Re: paprika plains                    [Dave Blackburn <beatntrack@att.net>]
  Re: Nothing can be done                              [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com]
  Re: Paprika Plains                    [Dave Blackburn <beatntrack@att.net>]
  Re: paprika plains                      ["Mark" <mark.travis@frontier.com>]
  Re: dancing clown; Ray's Dad's cadillac  ["David J. Phillips" <djp@davidjp]
  Re: paprika plains                                   [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com]
  RE: dancing clown; Ray's Dad's cadillac  ["Susan E. McNamara" <sem8@cornel]
  Re: dancing clown                   [Michael Paz <michael@thepazgroup.com>]

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 07:42:01 +0000
From: Anita <lawntreader@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: new Alex Acuna interview

Imagine playing on a Joni album and not even being sure or even hearing the end result. That's jazz, I guess. Thanks Dave!

Anita 

On 4 Dec 2013, at 23:49, Michael Paz <michael@thepazgroup.com> wrote:

> Hey Dave once again a great interview with one of my faves. He is so humble
> and I love the way he remembers her and his dedication to his family and music
> within. Encore encore.
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Paz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 4, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Les Irvin wrote:
> 
> Just published on JoniMitchell.com, a new interview with Alex Acuna about his
> time playing with Joni.  Thanks to Dave Blackburn for conducting the
> interview! http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2719

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 17:49:10 -0600
From: Michael Paz <michael@thepazgroup.com>
Subject: Re: new Alex Acuna interview

Hey Dave once again a great interview with one of my faves. He is so humble
and I love the way he remembers her and his dedication to his family and music
within. Encore encore.


Best

Paz








On Dec 4, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Les Irvin wrote:

Just published on JoniMitchell.com, a new interview with Alex Acuna about his
time playing with Joni.  Thanks to Dave Blackburn for conducting the
interview! http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2719

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 20:04:21 -0500
From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" <jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com>
Subject: That thread about Paprika Plains

In this post, Joni tells how Paprika Plains is central to meeting 
Charles Mingus.  Leonard Feather of down beat magazine interviewed Joni 
for the September 6, 1979 issue.  This is an excerpt of the interview.

Jim L'Hommedieu

- ------------------------------------------------
<down beat asked:  What in your work had attracted him to you and caused 
him to get in touch with you?>

<Joni said,
Somebody played him some of my records. Now, this is a story that came 
to me - there's a piece of music of mine called Paprika Plains which was 
done in sections. The middle of it is about seven minutes of 
improvisational playing, which I had somebody else orchestrate for me. 
And then stuck on to each end of it is a song that I wrote later around 
it. It was improvised off of a theme; then I abandoned the theme and 
just left the improvisational part which I cut together. It's a modern 
technological way of composing.

It was recorded in January, and the piano was tuned many, many times, so 
by August I when I played the verses, which were born much later, the 
piano had slightly changed. So when it was orchestrated, it's in tune 
for a while, but then it hits that splice where it goes from the January 
piano to the August piano. With a fine ear you notice. So somebody was 
playing this piece for Charles, and Charles is a stickler for true pitch 
and time, and he kept saying, "It's out of tune, it's out of tune." But 
when the piece was over he said that I had a lot of balls!

So something about it - whatever it was he didn't like, he also saw some 
strength and certainly an adventuresome spirit, because I'd been pushing 
the limits of what constitutes a song for years; I keep trying to expand 
it--- with an instrumental in the middle or with no known or prescribed 
length, but just as long as my own interest will hold out. And I presume 
that if it will hold my interest that long that it will at least hold 
the interest of a minority.

So, as near as I can tell, that was part of it, that he felt that I had 
a sense of adventure.>
- ------------------------------------------------
The whole interview is at:
http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=95&from=search


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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:18:22 +0000
From: "Susan E. McNamara" <sem8@cornell.edu>
Subject: RE: paprika plains

This is amazing Dave.  I don't know what we would do without you.  This is a true labor of love!!!  Thank you!!! 

Susan Tierney McNamara
email:  sem8@cornell.edu


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Dave Blackburn
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:38 AM
To: Marianne Rizzo
Cc: JMDL JMDL
Subject: Re: paprika plains

Funny you should mention this opus at this time, Marianne, as my recent Q&A interview with PP orchestrator Mike Gibbs http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2686&from=search also included me asking him if he might still have the score he wrote. After a few weeks of searching cupboards and bookcases he discovered a full set of photocopies of it. They are low res (remember photostat machines in 1977?) and hard to read but zoomed in on a big screen the notes are legible. So, I am engaged in the slow but worthwhile job of retranscribing the whole piece, piano, vocal and orchestra, with Mikes score to work from. I am inputting it into Sibelius notation software, and it may be 30-40 pages long when its finished, but will eventually be a valuable addition to the websites spectacular transcription library, in which this piece is still conspicuously absent. Someday, someone will get the idea to perform PP live with an orchestra and this undertaking will make that possible. In!
  fact, Mike told me that it was being considered for Travelogue and he sent his score to Vince Mendoza who would have had to comb through it as I am doing now. For whatever reason it was not included; maybe the definitive version had already been done. Ill blare the announcement from the rooftops when its ready for viewing.

cheers
Dave



On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:20 AM, Marianne Rizzo <treegreen1@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Let's turn our attention to paprika plains.
> WOW
> 
> Utterly amazing.
> wonderful, amazing, extroadinarily beautiful . . .   words, for me do not seem
> to do justice.
> 
> I would like to hear about your reactions to this.
> It is a complete masterpiece.
> Have a great day, all joni wonderful people.
> xoxo
> Love Marianne

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:20:57 -0500
From: Marianne Rizzo <treegreen1@hotmail.com>
Subject: paprika plains

Let's turn our attention to paprika plains.
WOW

Utterly amazing.
wonderful, amazing, extroadinarily beautiful . . .   words, for me do not seem
to do justice.

I would like to hear about your reactions to this.
It is a complete masterpiece.
Have a great day, all joni wonderful people.
xoxo
Love Marianne

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 18:58:58 -0800
From: "Mark" <mark.travis@frontier.com>
Subject: Re: dancing clown; Ray's Dad's cadillac

I also like:  'Zero, I'm a dunce, I'm a decimal in his class'.

Mark in Seattle
(having a sudden attack of itchy fingers on the keyboard)

- -----Original Message----- 
From: David J. Phillips 
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:08 AM 
To: Susan E. McNamara 
Cc: Marianne Rizzo ; joni list 
Subject: Re: dancing clown; Ray's Dad's cadillac 

Yes, Nothing Can Be Done is certainly on my very long list of very
favorites. Must I surrender with grace these things I loved when I was
younger (the sweet embraces)? Oh, yes, Joan. Sing it.
djp


On 03/12/13    11:5824, Susan E. McNamara wrote:
> I agree David, the juxtaposition of RDC and Two Grey Rooms is
> astounding!!! I love Night Ride Home ... but I have to say my
> favorite song right now is Nothing Can Be Done.
>
> Susan Tierney McNamara email:  sem8@cornell.edu
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: David J. Phillips
> [mailto:djp@davidjphillips.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013
> 11:27 AM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: Marianne Rizzo; joni list Subject:
> Re: dancing clown; Ray's Dad's cadillac
>
> I agree it's not great, but it doesn't drive me crazy. I'll hum
> along.
>
> I like the image of the bolts and tire treads on the plane overhead.
> And the line "when it comes to mathematics I've got static in the
> attic" and the image of being "blackboard blind"
>
> and I have a Pavlovian expectation response in knowing that "Two Grey
> Rooms" is just ahead.
>
> djp
>
>
>
> On 03/12/13    11:0044, Susan E. McNamara wrote:
>> Rays Dads Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads
>> Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads Cadillac is bad ...
>>
>> Susan Tierney McNamara email:  sem8@cornell.edu
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org
>> [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Marianne Rizzo Sent:
>> Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:20 AM To: joni list Subject: dancing
>> clown
>>
>> "What's so terrible about Dancing Clown?"
>>
>> I also do not like the song To me it is just obviously not good.
>> With so many so great songs, it fails in comparison.
>>
>> Even if it stood alone . .  not good. Off the top of my head I do
>> not like ray's dad 's cadillac (although there may be some musical
>> merrits in there, still do not care for it.) and lead balloon
>> either, but dancing clown may win out for the least favorite.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 21:27:59 -0800
From: Dave Blackburn <beatntrack@att.net>
Subject: Re: paprika plains

Betsy, why, thank you and how good to know one of your lifes desires will soon be fulfilled! A nice manageable goal, that one!

Im not sure what remix you are referring to; I wasnt aware of one. If there is a new mix (as opposed to a remaster) it is possible that pitch correction was used if it was done after 1999 when that technology first appeared. 

As for the volume issue, there is certainly a huge disparity between the volume of the three movements, which we know were spliced together. It bothered me that Bernie Grundman did not address this when he mastered the album originally. I have worked with him on a project and discovered he believes in minimal manipulation of the source, assuming he has been brought what the artist approved of in the mixing phase. That seems like that is the case with DJRD in general, which in my opinion had a thin and rather unengaging sound, at least on the CD transfer I have. The vinyl may have been better. A few years ago I took care of that by remastering the whole album in a little more modern way. I can make a link available if youd like my version.

As of today, my transcribing mate in Australia, Michael Dunn, is helping me with the rather large task of typesetting the original pencil score of Paprika Plains, so between us the job should proceed much quicker. Michael has done some super accurate charts for the website, including Woodstock, Rainy Night House, Banquet, Let the wind carry me, I Had a King, and Down to You, which we worked on together. The goal of a complete and accurate library of Jonis music gets closer every year.

Dave


On Dec 3, 2013, at 8:24 PM, Betsy Blue <betsyblue82@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dave, you are the best. A Paprika Plains score is the only thing I wanted
> out of this group when I joined. I don't always have time to listen to the
> song when I shuffle around to it, but I am always in the mood.
> 
> I have remix questions. Why was the line "Gotta get some air" cut? I was
> kind of attached to it, although I don't think the song suffers without it.
> Who decided to push the project forward? Was any digital pitch correction
> done? Why was the volume so low in the first part of the original?
> 
> Some of the poetic passages I love are the description of all the smells in
> the ladies' room, the beating drum reflected in the piano, the alliteration
> of beads/bottles and the double entendre "smashed", the visual depiction of
> the disco ball, and all the dreamy floating.
> 
> The music is amazing. Literally Somehow, I only recently realized that
> Wayne Shorter was on soprano, so now I pay special attention to his part.
> 
> Betsy
> On Dec 3, 2013 7:44 AM, "JMDL Digest" <owner-joni-digest@smoe.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> JMDL Digest        Tuesday, December 3 2013        Volume 2013 : Number
>> 1719
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ==========
>> 
>> TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
>> --------
>>  Re: paprika plains                    [Dave Blackburn <
>> beatntrack@att.net>]
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:37:44 -0800
>> From: Dave Blackburn <beatntrack@att.net>
>> Subject: Re: paprika plains
>> 
>> Funny you should mention this opus at this time, Marianne, as my recent
>> Q&A interview with PP orchestrator Mike Gibbs
>> http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2686&from=search also
>> included me asking him if he might still have the score he wrote. After a
>> few weeks of searching cupboards and bookcases he discovered a full set of
>> photocopies of it. They are low res (remember photostat machines in 1977?)
>> and hard to read but zoomed in on a big screen the notes are legible. So, I
>> am engaged in the slow but worthwhile job of retranscribing the whole
>> piece, piano, vocal and orchestra, with Mike s score to work from. I am
>> inputting it into Sibelius notation software, and it may be 30-40 pages
>> long when it s finished, but will eventually be a valuable addition to the
>> website s spectacular transcription library, in which this piece is still
>> conspicuously absent. Someday, someone will get the idea to perform PP live
>> with an orchestra and this undertaking will make that possible. In!
>>  fact, Mike told me that it was being considered for Travelogue and he
>> sent his score to Vince Mendoza who would have had to comb through it as I
>> am doing now. For whatever reason it was not included; maybe the definitive
>> version had already been done. I ll blare the announcement from the
>> rooftops when it s ready for viewing.
>> 
>> cheers
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:20 AM, Marianne Rizzo <treegreen1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Let's turn our attention to paprika plains.
>>> WOW
>>> 
>>> Utterly amazing.
>>> wonderful, amazing, extroadinarily beautiful . . .   words, for me do
>> not seem
>>> to do justice.
>>> 
>>> I would like to hear about your reactions to this.
>>> It is a complete masterpiece.
>>> Have a great day, all joni wonderful people.
>>> xoxo
>>> Love Marianne
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1719
>> ******************************
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 12:30:27 -0500
From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com
Subject: Re: Nothing can be done

<I
really think this is a project she would enjoy and and be good at. For her 
to
share her wisdom (which she always seems to want to do conversationaly 
with
anyone) with some young musicians would be a blast. I think I will phone 
her
later this evening and pitch her on the idea.....>

I think it's an outstanding idea. Good luck with the pitch, I'm thinking 
she would just say that no one was worthy.

Bob

NP: Julie Miller, "Strange Lover"
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 10:58:15 -0800
From: Dave Blackburn <beatntrack@att.net>
Subject: Re: Paprika Plains

Jim,

Ah, Songs of a Prairie Girl is one of the few I dont have.

As to your point about Joni wanting the listener to get to the louder section much later in PP, she could not have foreseen the modern listeners attention span or the typical listening environments people have now, far removed from the living room hi-fi of the 70s. There is also a limit on how quiet a signal can be recorded before the tape hiss and surface noise of an LP makes it unlistenable. The tone even thins out considerably from the preamps not working at their optimum gain. I suspect her artistic vision for the dynamic journey of PP, valid in itself, took priority over these things if she considered them much at all.

Dave 



On Dec 4, 2013, at 10:08 AM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote:

> Randy Remote wrote an essay about PP when the SoAPG compilation was released.   I'm pretty sure that Les added it to the Library. 
> 
> Joni paid to have the pitches fixed.  There is a great back story about the piano parts and Charles Mingus.  All of that is great reading and it is in the Library too. 
> 
> If I remember right, she hired a recording engineer who used digital tools like Pro Tools to fix the piano pitches. 
> 
> The original mix homogenized the different piano parts with equalization. In the remix, it sounds to me like less eq was applied.  When played at full volume on good equipment, you can hear that piano sound changes from section to section. It sounds a little like lid-up / lid-down differences. 
> 
> On LP, the beginning was cut at a lower volume because Joni wanted it to get MUCH louder when the band kicks in again. There is a limit to how loudly a signal can be cut into a record. The major labels set a low maximum to accommodate cheap record players. Generally, the painfully expensive record players can easily play much louder levels than those found on pop records. 
> 
> As far as I know, DJRD still has the original version on it. 
> 
> BTW, just about every book about Joni (written since the site existed) has cited jonimitchell.com in the bibliography.
> 
> Jim
> 
>> i have remix questions. Why was the line "Gotta get some air" cut? I was
> kind of attached to it, although I don't think the song suffers without it.
> Who decided to push the project forward? Was any digital pitch correction
> done? Why was the volume so low in the first part of the original?<

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 18:56:01 -0800
From: "Mark" <mark.travis@frontier.com>
Subject: Re: paprika plains

Wow, Dave, what a challenging and exciting project!

I wonder if Joni would have played piano if 'Paprika Plains' had been 
included on 'Travelogue'?

Ah, the dreams you can fall into in the world of 'What If?'

Mark in Seattle

- -----Original Message----- 
From: Dave Blackburn
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:37 AM
To: Marianne Rizzo
Cc: JMDL JMDL
Subject: Re: paprika plains

Funny you should mention this opus at this time, Marianne, as my recent Q&A 
interview with PP orchestrator Mike Gibbs 
http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2686&from=search also included 
me asking him if he might still have the score he wrote. After a few weeks 
of searching cupboards and bookcases he discovered a full set of photocopies 
of it. They are low res (remember photostat machines in 1977?) and hard to 
read but zoomed in on a big screen the notes are legible. So, I am engaged 
in the slow but worthwhile job of retranscribing the whole piece, piano, 
vocal and orchestra, with Mikes score to work from. I am inputting it into 
Sibelius notation software, and it may be 30-40 pages long when its 
finished, but will eventually be a valuable addition to the websites 
spectacular transcription library, in which this piece is still 
conspicuously absent. Someday, someone will get the idea to perform PP live 
with an orchestra and this undertaking will make that possible. In!
  fact, Mike told me that it was being considered for Travelogue and he sent 
his score to Vince Mendoza who would have had to comb through it as I am 
doing now. For whatever reason it was not included; maybe the definitive 
version had already been done. Ill blare the announcement from the rooftops 
when its ready for viewing.

cheers
Dave



On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:20 AM, Marianne Rizzo <treegreen1@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Let's turn our attention to paprika plains.
> WOW
>
> Utterly amazing.
> wonderful, amazing, extroadinarily beautiful . . .   words, for me do not 
> seem
> to do justice.
>
> I would like to hear about your reactions to this.
> It is a complete masterpiece.
> Have a great day, all joni wonderful people.
> xoxo
> Love Marianne

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 11:26:50 -0500
From: "David J. Phillips" <djp@davidjphillips.org>
Subject: Re: dancing clown; Ray's Dad's cadillac

I agree it's not great, but it doesn't drive me crazy. I'll hum along.

I like the image of the bolts and tire treads on the plane overhead. 
And the line "when it comes to mathematics I've got static in the attic" 
and the image of being "blackboard blind"

and I have a Pavlovian expectation response in knowing that "Two Grey 
Rooms" is just ahead.

djp



On 03/12/13    11:0044, Susan E. McNamara wrote:
> Rays Dads Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads Cadillac is bad ...
>
> Susan Tierney McNamara
> email:  sem8@cornell.edu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Marianne Rizzo
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:20 AM
> To: joni list
> Subject: dancing clown
>
> "What's so terrible about Dancing Clown?"
>
> I also do not like the song
> To me it is just obviously not good.
> With so many so great songs, it fails in comparison.
>
> Even if it stood alone . .  not good.
>   Off the top of my head I do not like ray's dad 's cadillac (although there may be some musical merrits in there, still do not care for it.) and lead balloon either, but dancing clown may win out for the least favorite.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 09:44:35 -0500
From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com
Subject: Re: paprika plains

Paprika Plains - always a good topic.

I refer to it as "Joni symphony #3", with Judgement & Down To You being 
#'s 1 & 2 respectively.

The first time I heard it was when my local AOR station in Raleigh played 
it as a feature album so I was listening in my bed with headphones. A nice 
way to listen to DJRD I'd add. Of course I was totally sucked in with the 
Overture/Cotton Avenue and when PP came on it was blowing my mind! It went 
on for 16+ minutes, an entire album side. Had no idea what the song was 
about but really enjoyed the sonics - the combination of Joni's piano and 
Jaco's bass - ecstasy.

It was WAAAAAY later when I noticed the "unsung" lyrics inside the record 
jacket. Wonder if they were ever intended to be sung or if they were in 
fact sung, recorded and then discarded. The dream sequence, if you will. 
Most of the song plays like a dream, in fact. And the payoff is the 
musical jam at the very end. 

I'm not always in the mood for it - it requires some intense participation 
on the listener's part - but when I am it's a mesmerizing thing.

Bob

NP: Bob Dylan, "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue"
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:58:24 +0000
From: "Susan E. McNamara" <sem8@cornell.edu>
Subject: RE: dancing clown; Ray's Dad's cadillac

I agree David, the juxtaposition of RDC and Two Grey Rooms is astounding!!! I love Night Ride Home ... but I have to say my favorite song right now is Nothing Can Be Done.  

Susan Tierney McNamara
email:  sem8@cornell.edu


- -----Original Message-----
From: David J. Phillips [mailto:djp@davidjphillips.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:27 AM
To: Susan E. McNamara
Cc: Marianne Rizzo; joni list
Subject: Re: dancing clown; Ray's Dad's cadillac

I agree it's not great, but it doesn't drive me crazy. I'll hum along.

I like the image of the bolts and tire treads on the plane overhead. 
And the line "when it comes to mathematics I've got static in the attic" 
and the image of being "blackboard blind"

and I have a Pavlovian expectation response in knowing that "Two Grey Rooms" is just ahead.

djp



On 03/12/13    11:0044, Susan E. McNamara wrote:
> Rays Dads Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads Cadillac is bad ...
>
> Susan Tierney McNamara
> email:  sem8@cornell.edu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of 
> Marianne Rizzo
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:20 AM
> To: joni list
> Subject: dancing clown
>
> "What's so terrible about Dancing Clown?"
>
> I also do not like the song
> To me it is just obviously not good.
> With so many so great songs, it fails in comparison.
>
> Even if it stood alone . .  not good.
>   Off the top of my head I do not like ray's dad 's cadillac (although there may be some musical merrits in there, still do not care for it.) and lead balloon either, but dancing clown may win out for the least favorite.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 11:05:40 -0600
From: Michael Paz <michael@thepazgroup.com>
Subject: Re: dancing clown

I always like Rays Caddy. Brings back plenty memories of teenage years and
parking and necking. Gawd did I just say necking??




On Dec 3, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote:

Rays Dads Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads Cadillac is
bad, Rays Dads Cadillac is bad ...

Susan Tierney McNamara
email:  sem8@cornell.edu

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Marianne
Rizzo
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:20 AM
To: joni list
Subject: dancing clown

"What's so terrible about Dancing Clown?"

I also do not like the song
To me it is just obviously not good.
With so many so great songs, it fails in comparison.

Even if it stood alone . .  not good.
Off the top of my head I do not like ray's dad 's cadillac (although there may
be some musical merrits in there, still do not care for it.) and lead balloon
either, but dancing clown may win out for the least favorite.

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