From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #474 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, December 4 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 474 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Songs etc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] new Alex Acuna interview [Les Irvin ] Songs etc [Betsy Blue ] Piano transcriptions [Dave Blackburn ] RE: Nothing can be done ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Nothing can be done [Michael Paz ] dancing clown [Marianne Rizzo ] RE: dancing clown ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Piano transcriptions [Debra Pease ] Fwd: paprika plains [Debra Pease ] Re: dancing clown; Ray's Dad's cadillac ["David J. Phillips" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 08:29:11 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Songs etc Well said, girlfriend. Even when she's singing a song I don't care for, her voice is a calming comfort to me. Bob NP: The Boxer Rebellion, "Fragile" From: Marianne Rizzo To: joni list , Date: 12/03/2013 06:18 PM Subject: Songs etc Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org But. . . what I would like to say, Is that . . . even tho I may not necessarily like a particular song, I cherish e v e r y expression of Joni's . . every utterance, every shared thought. every opinion, etc. I am glad she wrote all that she wrote and I am glad she shared it. I treasure all of her. Alway grateful. Very much. 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Thanks to Dave Blackburn for conducting the interview! http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2719 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 06:39:16 -0800 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Songs etc I will tell you I don't care for a song at all, but when it starts playing, I usually think "Wow, that's beautiful." Usually, it is the earlier songs that I neglect while Hejira and Mingus get constant play. Yesterday, Snakes and Ladders caught me by surprise. I can't figure out what voice I like best, either. The beauty of the 1966 recordings is a little overwhelming, but when I hear the Luminato concert, I can't imagine anyone having better phrasing. The Gershwin songs in 94 were super sexy. The only stuff I have trouble with is the LOTC era and some background work. On my bucket list right after playing Paprika Plains is hearing the promised LTISR by 70 year old Joni. I guess I just like her awk. Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 07:41:03 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Piano transcriptions For any pianists out there that would like to play Joni music, here is the current list of charts on the website you can download and print http://jonimitchell.com/music/piano.cfm Paprika Plains will be added in the not-too-distant future. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 14:35:36 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Nothing can be done I was so excited when Leslie Smith sang Nothing Can Be Done at Pazfest 2010. She is such a sultry singer and she really nailed it. I talked to her afterword and she just went on and on about how she loved that song. My favorite line ... what do I do here with this hunger ... :-) Also, I've been listening to WTRF and I suddenly had this desire to be a bass player. I just listened to Larry's bass, especially on songs like Wild things and You Dream Flat Tires ... wow ... really great! Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Rob Procyk Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:55 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Nothing can be done I'm just going to throw it out there again as I have before - "Nothing Can Be Done" is in my top 5 Joni songs. Brilliant, and more and more relevant as I realize how quickly the clock is ticking. I read some interview where Joni said she imagined some fight when writing the song, but I think it's just as autobiographical as anything from the early years, and thus even more commendable as we tend to be more guarded as we age. Anyway, the song speaks to me and I have to say I am one of the few who really liked Klein's influence on her work. And suddenly I too am not old, I'm told, but I am not young. Thanks, Sue, for mentioning your love of the song too! Rob Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 10:23:44 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Nothing can be done Me too! She always brings it. I loved her again this year. I was riding into town this am and Amelia came on (the orchestra version) and I relished it so much. It is so fun to hear her sing her songs in this format and even tho I love the originals so much its like hearing the songs for the first time again. Was also fantasizing this morning about Joni writing some new songs and then picking some up and coming singer/players to interpret her new compositions. I really think this is a project she would enjoy and and be good at. For her to share her wisdom (which she always seems to want to do conversationaly with anyone) with some young musicians would be a blast. I think I will phone her later this evening and pitch her on the idea..... On Dec 4, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: I was so excited when Leslie Smith sang Nothing Can Be Done at Pazfest 2010. She is such a sultry singer and she really nailed it. I talked to her afterword and she just went on and on about how she loved that song. My favorite line ... what do I do here with this hunger ... :-) Also, I've been listening to WTRF and I suddenly had this desire to be a bass player. I just listened to Larry's bass, especially on songs like Wild things and You Dream Flat Tires ... wow ... really great! Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Rob Procyk Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:55 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Nothing can be done I'm just going to throw it out there again as I have before - "Nothing Can Be Done" is in my top 5 Joni songs. Brilliant, and more and more relevant as I realize how quickly the clock is ticking. I read some interview where Joni said she imagined some fight when writing the song, but I think it's just as autobiographical as anything from the early years, and thus even more commendable as we tend to be more guarded as we age. Anyway, the song speaks to me and I have to say I am one of the few who really liked Klein's influence on her work. And suddenly I too am not old, I'm told, but I am not young. Thanks, Sue, for mentioning your love of the song too! Rob Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 07:19:37 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: dancing clown "What's so terrible about Dancing Clown?" I also do not like the song To me it is just obviously not good. With so many so great songs, it fails in comparison. Even if it stood alone . . not good. Off the top of my head I do not like ray's dad 's cadillac (although there may be some musical merrits in there, still do not care for it.) and lead balloon either, but dancing clown may win out for the least favorite. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:00:44 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: dancing clown Rays Dads Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads Cadillac is bad ... Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Marianne Rizzo Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:20 AM To: joni list Subject: dancing clown "What's so terrible about Dancing Clown?" I also do not like the song To me it is just obviously not good. With so many so great songs, it fails in comparison. Even if it stood alone . . not good. Off the top of my head I do not like ray's dad 's cadillac (although there may be some musical merrits in there, still do not care for it.) and lead balloon either, but dancing clown may win out for the least favorite. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 13:21:04 -0500 From: Debra Pease Subject: Re: Piano transcriptions OMG!! You rock! Printing it now and will work on playing it the right way for the first time in my life! I just love the piano on this song!! I printed your version of For Free. Thanks! On Dec 4, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > For any pianists out there that would like to play Joni music, here is the current list of charts on the website you can download and print http://jonimitchell.com/music/piano.cfm > > Paprika Plains will be added in the not-too-distant future. > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 22:21:23 -0500 From: Debra Pease Subject: Fwd: paprika plains Wow! What a Joni undertaking! I wish I could play the piano and even though I have tried her songbooks are not written correctly. I tried For Free and Rainy Night House. Both are marginally good. Someday, David, maybe you can get the originals and transcribe away! Cheers, Catgirl Begin forwarded message: > From: Dave Blackburn > Subject: Re: paprika plains > Date: December 3, 2013 10:37:44 AM EST > To: Marianne Rizzo > Cc: JMDL JMDL > Reply-To: Dave Blackburn > > Funny you should mention this opus at this time, Marianne, as my recent Q&A interview with PP orchestrator Mike Gibbs http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2686&from=search also included me asking him if he might still have the score he wrote. After a few weeks of searching cupboards and bookcases he discovered a full set of photocopies of it. They are low res (remember photostat machines in 1977?) and hard to read but zoomed in on a big screen the notes are legible. So, I am engaged in the slow but worthwhile job of retranscribing the whole piece, piano, vocal and orchestra, with Mikes score to work from. I am inputting it into Sibelius notation software, and it may be 30-40 pages long when its finished, but will eventually be a valuable addition to the websites spectacular transcription library, in which this piece is still conspicuously absent. Someday, someone will get the idea to perform PP live with an orchestra and this undertaking will make that possible. In! > fact, Mike told me that it was being considered for Travelogue and he sent his score to Vince Mendoza who would have had to comb through it as I am doing now. For whatever reason it was not included; maybe the definitive version had already been done. Ill blare the announcement from the rooftops when its ready for viewing. > > cheers > Dave > > > > On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:20 AM, Marianne Rizzo wrote: > >> Let's turn our attention to paprika plains. >> WOW >> >> Utterly amazing. >> wonderful, amazing, extroadinarily beautiful . . . words, for me do not seem >> to do justice. >> >> I would like to hear about your reactions to this. >> It is a complete masterpiece. >> Have a great day, all joni wonderful people. >> xoxo >> Love Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 12:08:43 -0500 From: "David J. Phillips" Subject: Re: dancing clown; Ray's Dad's cadillac Yes, Nothing Can Be Done is certainly on my very long list of very favorites. Must I surrender with grace these things I loved when I was younger (the sweet embraces)? Oh, yes, Joan. Sing it. djp On 03/12/13 11:5824, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > I agree David, the juxtaposition of RDC and Two Grey Rooms is > astounding!!! I love Night Ride Home ... but I have to say my > favorite song right now is Nothing Can Be Done. > > Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu > > > -----Original Message----- From: David J. Phillips > [mailto:djp@davidjphillips.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 > 11:27 AM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: Marianne Rizzo; joni list Subject: > Re: dancing clown; Ray's Dad's cadillac > > I agree it's not great, but it doesn't drive me crazy. I'll hum > along. > > I like the image of the bolts and tire treads on the plane overhead. > And the line "when it comes to mathematics I've got static in the > attic" and the image of being "blackboard blind" > > and I have a Pavlovian expectation response in knowing that "Two Grey > Rooms" is just ahead. > > djp > > > > On 03/12/13 11:0044, Susan E. McNamara wrote: >> Rays Dads Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads >> Cadillac is bad, Rays Dads Cadillac is bad ... >> >> Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu >> >> -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org >> [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Marianne Rizzo Sent: >> Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:20 AM To: joni list Subject: dancing >> clown >> >> "What's so terrible about Dancing Clown?" >> >> I also do not like the song To me it is just obviously not good. >> With so many so great songs, it fails in comparison. >> >> Even if it stood alone . . not good. Off the top of my head I do >> not like ray's dad 's cadillac (although there may be some musical >> merrits in there, still do not care for it.) and lead balloon >> either, but dancing clown may win out for the least favorite. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 13:08:00 -0500 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Paprika Plains Randy Remote wrote an essay about PP when the SoAPG compilation was released. I'm pretty sure that Les added it to the Library. Joni paid to have the pitches fixed. There is a great back story about the piano parts and Charles Mingus. All of that is great reading and it is in the Library too. If I remember right, she hired a recording engineer who used digital tools like Pro Tools to fix the piano pitches. The original mix homogenized the different piano parts with equalization. In the remix, it sounds to me like less eq was applied. When played at full volume on good equipment, you can hear that piano sound changes from section to section. It sounds a little like lid-up / lid-down differences. On LP, the beginning was cut at a lower volume because Joni wanted it to get MUCH louder when the band kicks in again. There is a limit to how loudly a signal can be cut into a record. The major labels set a low maximum to accommodate cheap record players. Generally, the painfully expensive record players can easily play much louder levels than those found on pop records. As far as I know, DJRD still has the original version on it. BTW, just about every book about Joni (written since the site existed) has cited jonimitchell.com in the bibliography. Jim > i have remix questions. Why was the line "Gotta get some air" cut? I was kind of attached to it, although I don't think the song suffers without it. Who decided to push the project forward? Was any digital pitch correction done? Why was the volume so low in the first part of the original?< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 22:40:47 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: new Alex Acuna interview I really enjoyed the interview, too, Dave. So cool to hear about the side men and their take on working with Joni. I was so focused on talking to the musicians at the Luminato after party I probably missed a prime opportunity to sneak into Joni's dressing room. I just loved how they all had such great things to say about working with her. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 4:42 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: new Alex Acuna interview That was a fun little read - thanks Dave for the effort. Oh to be hanging out with Joni, talking and looking at the stars! 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