From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #468 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, November 29 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 468 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New Library item: Happy Birthday to Joni from Jorn [TheStaff@JoniMitchell] Happy Thanksgiving Everybody [Michael Paz ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1707 [Ange T ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:13:57 -0700 (MST) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Happy Birthday to Joni from Jorn Title: Happy Birthday to Joni from Jorn Publication: Luminato Festival (Blog) Date: 2013.11.6 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2718 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:29:09 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Happy Thanksgiving Everybody Wishing the JMDL family a very Happy Thanksgiving! Have been in the kitchen since about 8am and the bird is looking beautiful. I have one out of 3 frying in the yard and all the casseroles are lined up ready to go in the oven when the bird come out. Thankful for my blessed and charmed life and so many wonderful friends, and a few who are coming today. Love Paz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 08:28:54 +1000 From: Ange T Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1707 I've been lapping-up all this Geffen-Joni talk - thanks to the listers who have shared their thoughts! I think they are both intriguing individuals. Ange in Oz angetakats.com.au > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:06:13 -0800 > From: "Mark" > Subject: Re: Geffen, Lead Balloon > > I thought that Joni met David Geffen sometime around the time Elliot > Roberts > became her manager which was in 1967. Geffen and Roberts had met when they > both worked in the mailroom of the William Morris Agency. In 1967 Buffy > St. > Marie talked Elliot into going to hear Joni at Cafe Au Go Go in New York. > He was so taken with her that he agreed to go on a three week road tour > with > her to convince her to hire him as a manager. Geffen, I believe, met Joni > sometime shortly after that. My impression is that all three of them were > maybe a few rungs up the ladder of success in the work of 'stoking the > star-maker machinery behind the popular song' when they got together. I > think Geffen was acting as her agent and was the one who made the decision > that Joni should not try to get in and out of the Woodstock festival in > 1969. > > It seems to me that the relationship was a close friendship that happened > to > be a professional relationship as well. > > Joni went on tour to try out the songs she had begun to compose at her BC > sanctuary for 'For the Roses' in 1972. When she got back to LA, the house > in Laurel Canyon on Lookout Mountain Road was being sublet. So David > Geffen > offered Joni a temporary place to live. David started the Asylum label at > about this time and Joni's contract with Reprise was coming to an end. So > 'For the Roses' became her first release on the Asylum label. > > After the success of 'Court and Spark' and given the fact that Joni was > given complete artistic freedom in her first record contract when she > signed > with Reprise, it doesn't seem surprising that she was given carte blanche > by > her friend David Geffen to make 'The Hissing of Summer Lawns', 'Hejira' and > 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter'. None of those records sold as well as > 'Court and Spark' but they didn't do badly either. Popular music was still > undergoing a lot of experimentation and the amount of production on records > was ramping up. Eventually it became what many considered to be top-heavy > and overblown, causing the reactionary movements of punk and new wave. > > But I think David Geffen and Joni Mitchell were close friends who happened > to be in business together. It was a great combination for awhile. Then > Geffen got to be one of the major players in the game and he let that > aspect > override the friendship. Joni was never much into the game to begin with > and business decisions that seemed to step on her or rip her off went over > like a, well, lead balloon. Even if it wasn't Geffen she threw the drink > at. > > If anyone knows that any of this is dead wrong, I would very much > appreciate > knowing about it. > > Mark in Seattle > > > > - -----Original Message----- > From: Betsy Blue > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:32 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Geffen, Lead Balloon > > In the Geffen documentary, it seemed like Joni became a substitute for > Laura Nyro. Then Cher came along. Geffen had a huge need to control and > care for people, especially women. Joni was very independent, so I can > imagine how they butted heads. > > Clive Davis seemed to think Geffen was crazy for letting a "homeless" > artist live with him. They were friends, though, and she was not > struggling, but searching for a third property. He knew he could kick her > out at any time. > > I totally agree that they benefited greatly from their professional > relationship early on. Then he outgrew her. And she may have been hurt by > that, or just felt like she was beyond needing him, or maybe she just had > enough money not to care as much. > > Lead Balloon: I don't care who it is about. For me, it is about all the > people who discouraged me. It is on my running playlist along with other > unappreciated songs like Number One, Shiny Toys, Lucky Girl, Underneath the > Streetlights, and Hana. Lest you think I just have terrible taste, FMIP, > Coyote, Black Crow, Raised on Robbery, and Night in the City also made the > cut. > > Betsy > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1707 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #468 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe