From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #463 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, November 25 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 463 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Nomination for the "Songs About Joni" section ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Strange Boy ["Susan E. McNamara" ] RE: Strange Boy [Mike B ] JFK assassination: When a nation coming of age lost its youth. [simon@icu] Re: Strange Boy [Les Irvin ] RE: Strange Boy [Mike B ] Re: Strange Boy [Anita ] RE: A Strange Boy ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: A Strange Boy [Anita G ] Re: A Strange Boy [Dave Blackburn ] Re: A Strange Boy [Anita ] re: Strange Boy [c Karma ] Re: Chogyam Trungpa [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Hejira in HD [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 01:17:28 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Nomination for the "Songs About Joni" section This is probably old news. In a song called "Queen Of California", John Mayer quoted Dylan, name-checked Neil Young, then threw this in for good measure: >Joni wrote Blue in her house by the sea> >I gotta believe theres another color waiting on me> >To set me free> Jim L. - --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 03:06:42 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Strange Boy Yes, Les!!! That adds a more metaphoric interpretation but the genesis is the same. I always tend to take Joni's words at face value, as plain talk. That will open the whole Exxon blue/radiation rose speculation again...uh oh. CC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:27:50 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Strange Boy I think this is another metaphor in the theme of the personal to the metaphysical ... I agree with Dave that there was something about the meeting with Chogyam Trungpa that influenced this theme ... the genius of innocence to see patterns in creation ... he mirrored me back simplified ... Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 9:34 AM To: Mike B Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Strange Boy Mike, thanks for that - what do you (or any of you) make of these lines: "He sees the cars as sets of waves, sequences of mass and space" ? Bob NP: Randy Newman, "The World Isn't Fair" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I love the ambiguity of the 'damage' line: is she embarrassed by the signs of her age, in the company of a younger lover, or is she touched that he has that insight and accepts her as she is? Or both... One other element in the magic mix is of course Larry Carlton's superb guitar work. Does anybody know how he gets that weird traffic-horn sound in the very last seconds of the fade-out? Or is that a sound engineer's trick? M To: charliebu@hotmail.co.uk CC: joni@smoe.org Subject: Strange Boy From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:33:44 -0500 Mike, thanks for that - what do you (or any of you) make of these lines: "He sees the cars as sets of waves, sequences of mass and space" ? Bob NP: Randy Newman, "The World Isn't Fair" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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CBS Sunday Morning - Nov. 17, 2013: Bill Flanagan says the murder of the young president marked Americans' turn to disillusionment and regret. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWLKpJS-x1Y andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:53:27 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Strange Boy Has anyone seen the film "Koyaanisqatsi"? Actually, who hasn't seen it would be a more accurate question. The first time I watched this, I was immediately reminded of the "he sees the cars as sets of waves" line during the time lapse of the traffic jam on the freeway. Since then, I've always interpreted Joni as saying here that the strange boy saw more of the "big picture" than did she. On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Mike, thanks for that - what do you (or any of you) make of these lines: > "He sees the cars as sets of waves, sequences of mass and space" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 01:08:02 +0000 From: Mike B Subject: RE: Strange Boy Ah now, I didn't get as far as making that direct connection with the boy surfing *her*, but of course! Brilliant! I like both Anita and Catherine's takes too. Many thanks Dave too for the fascinating info on Larry C's guitar playing. M To: charliebu@hotmail.co.uk CC: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Strange Boy From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:23:57 -0500 Well Mike, that's brilliant and makes a point that I never thought of...I could never get the image out of my mind of one of those photographs that shows time-lapse movement of cars where it looks like one long wave. NOW, thanks to you, I do think Joni's relating his skating through traffic with how he envisions the cars, as if he's surfing through waves. Further to that, when she sings "now <<<*I*>>> am surf rising..." she's alluding to the idea of him moving through her, physically and emotionally, in the same manner he surfs/skates through the cars, with grace and havoc. Man, these lyrics are even better than I thought. Thanks again for your thoughts. Bob NP: XTC, "Your Dictionary" From: Mike B To: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" , Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Date: 11/22/2013 10:09 AM Subject: RE: Strange Boy It's an intriguing line, Bob, especially when the thought then jumps to 'He see the damage in my face'. I take it the first two lines refer to the boyfriend's boyish recklessness, when out in traffic either on his skateboard (if he's the yellow skateboarder) or just behind the wheel, he plays traffic like a game, with no sense of the danger involved. Would that be seen as a fairly stereotypical male approach? Certainly a young male's attitude. Whereas in the last line we're also told of his sensitivity, his acceptance of the older woman and the knocks she's taken in life. (Is there a subconscious association here of dangerous traffic, accidents, damaged face?). I love the ambiguity of the 'damage' line: is she embarrassed by the signs of her age, in the company of a younger lover, or is she touched that he has that insight and accepts her as she is? Or both... One other element in the magic mix is of course Larry Carlton's superb guitar work. Does anybody know how he gets that weird traffic-horn sound in the very last seconds of the fade-out? Or is that a sound engineer's trick? M To: charliebu@hotmail.co.uk CC: joni@smoe.org Subject: Strange Boy From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:33:44 -0500 Mike, thanks for that - what do you (or any of you) make of these lines: "He sees the cars as sets of waves, sequences of mass and space" ? Bob NP: Randy Newman, "The World Isn't Fair" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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McNamara Subject: Re: A Strange Boy I remember a really stunning version that Kay Ashley performed> Yes, Kay totally kills it, have heard her perform it a number of times. Sadly, there's only been ONE *released* cover of the song, a 1996 recording by a bizarre-sounding group called Sisterboy. Bob NP: Gomez, Rhythm & Blues Alibi" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I remember a really stunning version that Kay Ashley performed I think for a JONi.com fundraiser and how I would have LOVED seeing the Mutts and Robin's take on this one. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:30:17 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: A Strange Boy Heres Kays version again, as recorded for the 2010 fundraiser. I mixed it for her. http://tinyurl.com/km3bjj6 On Nov 21, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Anita wrote: > Just reading the line "we were fire in the stiff blue-haired house rules" just blows me away in terms of the imagery so carefully conjured. > > Good to hear you remember Kay's version. Joniesque, but with something Kay, too, > Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:40:06 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: A Strange Boy On 21 Nov 2013, at 19:30, Dave Blackburn wrote: > Herebs Kaybs version again, as recorded for the 2010 fundraiser. I mixed it for her. > > http://tinyurl.com/km3bjj6 > Dave, when you mixed it, did you sample at 192 KHz (more than quadruple the rate of a CD which runs at 44.1kHz) and make it work by simply substituting better written code for the Macs audio engine Core Audio? Anita :-)) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 02:58:56 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Strange Boy I believe that line references someone looking out at a freeway.(Hmmmm, the 405?) and becoming mesmerized by the peristaltic visual of groups of cars as they clump and relax...imagine the larger picture of what it looks like when you are in traffic and the drivers in front of you slow and stop briefly, forcing you to slow to a stop, which forces those following you to slow to a stop and on and on (mass), then suddenly the traffic eases and the group of cars has space between as they accelerate, only to slow and stop again (mass). It's a repeating sequence of mass and space.CCFrom: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Strange Boy Mike, thanks for that - what do you (or any of you) make of these lines: "He sees the cars as sets of waves, sequences of mass and space" ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:14:06 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Chogyam Trungpa Yes, Simon, I think thats well established, but what was interesting to me was how her meeting him may have crept into lines of A Strange Boy as well. It appears the 21 year old Trungpa had chutzpah (my new lyric) and fled the brutal Maoist regime that was sacking Tibet in 1960 across the Himalayas, 4 months on horseback and 6 months on foot with scarcely any food since as Buddhists they refused to kill any creatures. A party of 300 at the start, only a dozen or so made it to safety in India, dying of starvation or capture. The Indian government flew Trungpa to the UK in 1963 where he studied at Oxford, then he moved up to Scotland and founded the first Buddhist Center in the country, then in 1970 to the US and formed the Naropa Institute in Boulder CO, which is presumably where Joni met him. Having traversed the Himalayas on foot evading capture by the Chinese is it any wonder he drank and womanized? Dave p.s It seems posts to this list lose their apostrophes and gain spurious characters here and there. If my it(apostrophe)s look like its I swear it(apostrophe)s not my grammar! On Nov 22, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com wrote: > > Hi Dave - > > Maybe this is old news but I was just reading about this from some other > post that appeared on here recently Joni credits Chogyam Trungpa with > helping her beat her cocaine addiction and she wrote Refuge of the Roads > about her experiences with him . He was allegedly the friendly spirit who > drank and womanized. > > > http://blogs.dharma.art.br/2010/10/joni-mitchell-and-chogyam-trungpa/ > > > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:31:27 -0800 > From: Dave Blackburn > Subject: Re: A Strange Boy > > We just watched a wonderful Netflix documentary on Chogyam Trungpa > called.wait for it.. Crazy Wisdom: The life and times of Chogyam Trungpa > Rinpoche. > > http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/70247854?strkid=1294164915_0_0&trkid=222336&movieid=70247854 > > > Having just watched it it seems entirely plausible that Joni conflated her > time with him to her time with the strange boy. "He asked me to be patient, > well I failed could totally be something she experienced with the Buddhist > master, as could his crazy wisdom holding on to something wild of course. > > There is lots of 60s and 70s footage though no mention of Joni. Highly > recommended for us Hejira scholars. > > Dave > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:47:34 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hejira in HD Neil Young will be thrilled!!!! He has been trying to get those pinheads to listen to him for years on that topic. Best Paz On Nov 20, 2013, at 8:54 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: Yeah, I got an email from them on 11/19 with the announcement. Get 10% of Hejira when you use this discount code: HDBLUE10. I didn't buy "Hejira" last night but I did get a 96/24 edition of "Graceland" and it's worth the money. It's funny- high rez digital is cheaper than premium quality vinyl. I got 15% of "Graceland" with this discount code: HDALLNEW15. Jim Dave B said, Hmmm, that IS enticing. The clips sound very clean and lush. If it was a 5.1 remix Id be really jumping up and down. From: Jack Merkel This must have just been released because I just bought MOA from them three days ago, and there was no Hejira offered at the time. I know what I'm doing tonight! Thanks for the heads up, Les. > lesirvin@gmail.com wrote: > > Hejira in audiophile 192kHz/24bit & 96kHz/24bit: > http://www.hdtracks.com/hejira-147260 - --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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