From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #429 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 2 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 429 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Katy becoming Joni [Victor ] Re: Katy becoming Joni [Victor ] Re: Katy becoming Joni [Paul Ivice ] Re: Pablo Cruise [Rick Hobbs-Seeley ] Pablo Cruise [est86mlm@ameritech.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 08:16:27 -0400 From: Victor Subject: Re: Katy becoming Joni > On Nov 2, 2013, at 2:39 AM, Corey Blake wrote: > > It's whole sentences. You clearly have your heart set on being insulted and angry about this, so you've invented a lot of subtext that just isn't provable. Hmm, that's a major assumption, that Paul has his heart set on being insulted and angry. > As an alternative, you can just take it at face value as someone who admires Joni Mitchell's career. How about letting everyone take it however they wish instead of prolonging this idea that everyone has to have the same reaction, everyone has to think the same, feel the same...THEY DON'T! End of story. > >> On Nov 1, 2013, at 11:08 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: >> >> Here's what she said: >> I'll probably turn into more of a Joni Mitchell. As I inch towards my 30s, I >> think my fourth record will be more of an acoustic guitar album. >> >> Clearly she's not saying she can be Joni. She seems to be saying that she >> will >> be trying to evolve her music to more of an acoustic style. In the style of >> Joni... As we know, that's a major assumption and simplification. We are all >> Joni experts...we could point out a few things to her. She's a baby. She's >> 29 >> for Christ sake people...remember when? She didn't mean to slight Joni. I >> hope she covers Joni on her next record. HAHAHAHA! Then Bob can add her to >> one >> of his cover lists and redeem himself. At that time, the "herd" can disperse, >> Bob can lay down his staff forevermore, and all will be well again in >> JoniLand! >> ;D I'm hopeful! >> >> I still think what she said was arrogant and insulting to Joni, as if it >> would be easy for Katy to do that. >> Furthermore, it seems to me it gets worse because Katy has a poor concept of >> Joni's career and growth as a musician if she thinks of Joni merely as an >> acoustic guitar player. Joni started as an acoustic folk singer and evolved >> through electric rock and into jazz. >> Whoever called Katy a pea-brain was closer to the truth than you gave him >> credit for, >> >> >> >> Paul Ivice ;>) >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sally >> To: Paul Ivice >> Cc: gpkm6208 ; dahrius1 ; revrvl >> ; joni >> Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2013 12:45 am >> Subject: Re: Katy becoming Joni >> >> >> Sorry Paul. I think you misunderstand the meaning in Katy Perry's comments. >> Here's what she said: >> I'll probably turn into more of a Joni Mitchell. As I inch towards my 30s, I >> think my fourth record will be more of an acoustic guitar album. >> >> Clearly she's not saying she can be Joni. She seems to be saying that she >> will >> be trying to evolve her music to more of an acoustic style. In the style of >> Joni... As we know, that's a major assumption and simplification. We are all >> Joni experts...we could point out a few things to her. She's a baby. She's >> 29 >> for Christ sake people...remember when? She didn't mean to slight Joni. I >> hope she covers Joni on her next record. HAHAHAHA! Then Bob can add her to >> one >> of his cover lists and redeem himself. At that time, the "herd" can disperse, >> Bob can lay down his staff forevermore, and all will be well again in >> JoniLand! >> ;D I'm hopeful! >> >>> On Nov 1, 2013, at 10:39 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: >>> >>> The arrogance, I fear, is certainly not coming from this gal Katy. Please >>> read >>> some of the comments being made by the listers. >>> >>> >>> On that point, my friend, you are clearly wrong. It is arrogant for Katy to >>> say that she could become like Joni Mitchell as if that were her fallback >>> position. At least that's what it sounded to me like she was saying. >>> >>> Joni followed her own heart, or her muse, to create the kind of music she >>> wanted, not what she thought would be the most popular or sold the most >>> recordings. She made her audience follow her, if they chose to, but she did >>> not follow her audience, which is what pop stars do. >>> To paraphrase Voltaire, I don't like some of the choices Joni made, but I >>> respect the hell out of the reasons she made them. >>> I don't see Katy Perry having those kind of guts. Instead, she seems to be >>> interested in beingpart of the star-maker machinery that pumps out popular >>> songs. I am not criticizing her for that. It is what most people would do. >> But >>> it does not give her the riht to think she could become like Joni. >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 21:51:44 -0400 From: Victor Subject: Re: Katy becoming Joni What is it with all this negativity being directed from list members to other list members lately? Very disheartening. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 1, 2013, at 8:06 PM, Vince Lavieri wrote: > > Just wow. > > People who know little to nothing about Katy Perry are doing incredible psychoanalysis of exactly what she meant from an out of context squib from Huffington Post. > > You all work for the National Enquirer? > > Vince > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 1, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Clint Norwood wrote: >> >> Hooray Paul, >> >> This is succint and accurate to a "T." Katy said it like it was >> easy like switching hairstyles or wardrobes and that is consistent with the >> half of our population that doesn't think about it a little deeper. That made >> her seem dopey despite whatever she sings or does. One does not have to know >> who Katy Perry is (I confess I don't know that much other than the campaigning >> for elections (always a bad choice for artists even Babe Ruth was more >> intelligent than that) to know that anyone who says something flippantly like >> that (and doesn't realize how shallow and insufficient that is) isn't the >> smartest HUMAN BEING there is. Joni says things that irk people and maybe >> doesn't always express herself in the way, I think that she would even >> ultimately want. However, I don't remember her expressing her desire to be >> like Jayne Mansfield. >> >> Peace and Happy Friday >> -Clint >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, November >> 1, 2013 12:58 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: >> >> Gerald wrote: I >> believe this gal Katy (of whom I know nothing about -- have >> no kids and do not >> listen to today's radio) was trashed rather significantly >> because she >> insinuated she would like to be like Joni. >> >> >> I don't think the problem most of >> us had was that Katy Perry said she's >> wanted to be Joni Mitchell, but the way >> Katy said she would probably become >> like Joni as though it were some easy or >> natural thing for her to do. >> Even if I conceded that pop singers/musicians >> like Katy Perry or Taylor Swift >> had the chops to write songs with as much >> depth as Joni or play their >> instruments with such aplomb and creativity, which >> I am not prepared to do, >> would they have the guts to continue evolving in >> their musical choices as they >> desire rather than pandering to the appeal of >> the masses who buy their CDs by >> the millions? >> I think not. >> So you can defend >> the artistry of Katy Perry all you want, but what she said >> about Joni was an >> insult to Joni and the risks she has taken throughout her >> career. >> >> >> Paul >> Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 22:39:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Re: Katy becoming Joni The arrogance, I fear, is certainly not coming from this gal Katy. Please read some of the comments being made by the listers. On that point, my friend, you are clearly wrong. It is arrogant for Katy to say that she could become like Joni Mitchell as if that were her fallback position. At least that's what it sounded to me like she was saying. Joni followed her own heart, or her muse, to create the kind of music she wanted, not what she thought would be the most popular or sold the most recordings. She made her audience follow her, if they chose to, but she did not follow her audience, which is what pop stars do. To paraphrase Voltaire, I don't like some of the choices Joni made, but I respect the hell out of the reasons she made them. I don't see Katy Perry having those kind of guts. Instead, she seems to be interested in beingpart of the star-maker machinery that pumps out popular songs. I am not criticizing her for that. It is what most people would do. But it does not give her the riht to think she could become like Joni. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 00:39:20 -0500 From: Rick Hobbs-Seeley Subject: Re: Pablo Cruise Laura, being on the list in the fashion I am creates the opportunity to miss certain posts. I missed my dear Kakki's musings on Pablo, but I did love your reference to Evelyn "Champagne" King. My heart soared. I have seen Ms. King at least three times in the past year or so. She does small venues these days - including the Hollywood Bowl on a shared bill, but is even more effective helping to celebrate the 40th anniversary of a legendary gay bar in LA as she did just this month. Her voice is as strong as ever. She typically does a short set of past big hits mixed with new ventures into a jazz/soul fusion thing I find pleasing. As a disco child of the 70s, I love seeing one of my divas still vocally relevant and trying some new stuff. Thanks for mentioning Evelyn. She's out there still fighting the good battle for her craft and making a living with a talented husband that also makes good music. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 1, 2013, at 11:05 PM, est86mlm@ameritech.net wrote: Oh Kakki, Pablo Cruise brings back memories! Haven't thought about them in years. One of the few groups I saw live at a small (now demolished) theater next to a mall here.....Mill Run in Niles, IL. Chicago and Suburbs people probably remember it at the Golf Mill Shopping Center. My friend and I decided to go see them at the last minute. Can't believe we actually got tickets at the door and were escorted to the front row directly in front of them. The stage was low and so close to the seats you could reach out and almost touch them! What a thrill! Had a couple of their albums back then. Favorites (YouTube sure brought back the memories): Ocean Breeze (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZCmmQs81qE) and A Place In the Sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u07ELwLf8Qo). Also liked Ambrosa (You're The Only Woman) and LOVED (still do) DISCO & Dance Music. Like Joni, I love to dance! I wonder what Joni used to like to dance to and got her rockin!? My favorite Disco Song (if I had to pick one) would be SHAME by Evelyn Champagne King. I could NEVER sit still when that came on! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 23:05:15 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Pablo Cruise Oh Kakki, Pablo Cruise brings back memories! Haven't thought about them in years. One of the few groups I saw live at a small (now demolished) theater next to a mall here.....Mill Run in Niles, IL. Chicago and Suburbs people probably remember it at the Golf Mill Shopping Center. My friend and I decided to go see them at the last minute. Can't believe we actually got tickets at the door and were escorted to the front row directly in front of them. The stage was low and so close to the seats you could reach out and almost touch them! What a thrill! Had a couple of their albums back then. Favorites (YouTube sure brought back the memories): Ocean Breeze (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZCmmQs81qE) and A Place In the Sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u07ELwLf8Qo). Also liked Ambrosa (You're The Only Woman) and LOVED (still do) DISCO & Dance Music. Like Joni, I love to dance! I wonder what Joni used to like to dance to and got her rockin!? My favorite Disco Song (if I had to pick one) would be SHAME by Evelyn Champagne King. I could NEVER sit still when that came on! Laura ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #429 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe