From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #428 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 2 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 428 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Katy becoming Joni [Gerald P Kent ] Re: Graham Nash's "Wild Tales" ["Mark" ] If [Shari Eaton ] Re: Trolls [Sally ] Re: Katy becoming Joni [Corey Blake ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 23:00:40 -0400 From: Gerald P Kent Subject: Re: Katy becoming Joni Voltaire??? Are you serious? Wow, the best of all possible worlds! You made me think of his "half ass woman" in Candide. Thanks for making me laugh!! Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 1, 2013, at 10:39 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: > > > The arrogance, I fear, is certainly not coming from this gal Katy. Please read > some of the comments being made by the listers. > On that point, my friend, you are clearly wrong. It is arrogant for Katy to say that she could become like Joni Mitchell as if that were her fallback position. At least that's what it sounded to me like she was saying. > > Joni followed her own heart, or her muse, to create the kind of music she wanted, not what she thought would be the most popular or sold the most recordings. She made her audience follow her, if they chose to, but she did not follow her audience, which is what pop stars do. > To paraphrase Voltaire, I don't like some of the choices Joni made, but I respect the hell out of the reasons she made them. > I don't see Katy Perry having those kind of guts. Instead, she seems to be interested in beingpart of the star-maker machinery that pumps out popular songs. I am not criticizing her for that. It is what most people would do. But it does not give her the riht to think she could become like Joni. > > Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 22:39:10 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Graham Nash's "Wild Tales" 'Acid booze and ass Needles guns and grass Lots of laughs Lots of laughs Everbody's saying that Hell's the hippest way to go Well I don't think so But I'm gonna take a look around it though.. Well, we know Joni had a serious cocaine habit a bit further down the road. Thank the powers that be that she went on that cross country road trip. She came back clean and gave us 'Hejira'. But I wonder sometimes just exactly what the connotation of 'I'm gonna take a look around it though' was. It's no surprise (at least not to me) that Graham was involved with a lot of substance abuse in the glory days of CSN and sometimes Y. We also know about James Taylor's heroin addiction. I can't imagine Joni going that route, especially given her powerful view of the ugly side of it in 'Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire'. In spite of her sometimes seemingly outrageous spouting off about this, that or the other thing, I've always felt that Joni is a person with a solid base of good common sense. Certainly she has wisdom, something she started to acquire at a very early age judging by the songs she wrote. I guess I'll have to read Graham's book to see if he says anything about what Joni's participation was in all the partying that was going on around her. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Lindsay Moon Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 6:31 PM To: Joni List Subject: Graham Nash's "Wild Tales" (snip) I also will say that yes, it was part of the times, but it did seem to me (a non-drinker) ridiculous! the excuses he made for getting loaded constantly. Was really defending himself on "expanding his mind" by dropping acid, doing mountains of coke, etc. Several times he says "we were doing way too much cocaine" and in the next sentence he admits to ingesting outrageous quantities  I wonder what his creative output might have been had he laid off the drugs and booze for a period... (snip) Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 22:57:53 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: If If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, donbt deal in lies, Or being hated, donbt give way to hating, And yet donbt look too good, nor talk too wise: If you can dreamband not make dreams your master; If you can thinkband not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth youbve spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build bem up with worn-out tools: If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: bHold on!b If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kingsbnor lose the common touch, If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty secondsb worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything thatbs in it, Andbwhich is morebyoubll be a Man, my son! I think of this poem often. It's seen me through some tricky times and I have Joni to thank for introducing me to it. Lots of Joni, Shari ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 00:31:49 -0400 From: Sally Subject: Re: Trolls Amen to that brother! > On Nov 1, 2013, at 11:30 PM, Michael Flaherty wrote: > > Please don't feed the trolls. It just makes them hungry for more. > > Your pleas > and arguments just give the illusion that they are important and have > interesting lives, and to compare themselves to the oppressed, > > > > Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 23:39:55 -0700 From: Corey Blake Subject: Re: Katy becoming Joni More assumptions, Paul. She doesn't say that her turning into a Joni Mitchell would begin and end with doing an acoustic guitar album. She may think that or she may think that's where the journey begins, and her subsequent albums would take her elsewhere. To reiterate, she doesn't say it would be easy either. It's two whole sentences. You clearly have your heart set on being insulted and angry about this, so you've invented a lot of subtext that just isn't provable. As an alternative, you can just take it at face value as someone who admires Joni Mitchell's career. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 1, 2013, at 11:08 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: > > Here's what she said: > I'll probably turn into more of a Joni Mitchell. As I inch towards my 30s, I > think my fourth record will be more of an acoustic guitar album. > > Clearly she's not saying she can be Joni. She seems to be saying that she > will > be trying to evolve her music to more of an acoustic style. In the style of > Joni... As we know, that's a major assumption and simplification. We are all > Joni experts...we could point out a few things to her. She's a baby. She's > 29 > for Christ sake people...remember when? She didn't mean to slight Joni. I > hope she covers Joni on her next record. HAHAHAHA! Then Bob can add her to > one > of his cover lists and redeem himself. At that time, the "herd" can disperse, > Bob can lay down his staff forevermore, and all will be well again in > JoniLand! > ;D I'm hopeful! > > I still think what she said was arrogant and insulting to Joni, as if it > would be easy for Katy to do that. > Furthermore, it seems to me it gets worse because Katy has a poor concept of > Joni's career and growth as a musician if she thinks of Joni merely as an > acoustic guitar player. Joni started as an acoustic folk singer and evolved > through electric rock and into jazz. > Whoever called Katy a pea-brain was closer to the truth than you gave him > credit for, > > > > Paul Ivice ;>) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sally > To: Paul Ivice > Cc: gpkm6208 ; dahrius1 ; revrvl > ; joni > Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2013 12:45 am > Subject: Re: Katy becoming Joni > > > Sorry Paul. I think you misunderstand the meaning in Katy Perry's comments. > Here's what she said: > I'll probably turn into more of a Joni Mitchell. As I inch towards my 30s, I > think my fourth record will be more of an acoustic guitar album. > > Clearly she's not saying she can be Joni. She seems to be saying that she > will > be trying to evolve her music to more of an acoustic style. In the style of > Joni... As we know, that's a major assumption and simplification. We are all > Joni experts...we could point out a few things to her. She's a baby. She's > 29 > for Christ sake people...remember when? She didn't mean to slight Joni. I > hope she covers Joni on her next record. HAHAHAHA! Then Bob can add her to > one > of his cover lists and redeem himself. At that time, the "herd" can disperse, > Bob can lay down his staff forevermore, and all will be well again in > JoniLand! > ;D I'm hopeful! > >> On Nov 1, 2013, at 10:39 PM, Paul Ivice wrote: >> >> The arrogance, I fear, is certainly not coming from this gal Katy. Please >> read >> some of the comments being made by the listers. >> >> >> On that point, my friend, you are clearly wrong. It is arrogant for Katy to >> say that she could become like Joni Mitchell as if that were her fallback >> position. At least that's what it sounded to me like she was saying. >> >> Joni followed her own heart, or her muse, to create the kind of music she >> wanted, not what she thought would be the most popular or sold the most >> recordings. She made her audience follow her, if they chose to, but she did >> not follow her audience, which is what pop stars do. >> To paraphrase Voltaire, I don't like some of the choices Joni made, but I >> respect the hell out of the reasons she made them. >> I don't see Katy Perry having those kind of guts. Instead, she seems to be >> interested in beingpart of the star-maker machinery that pumps out popular >> songs. I am not criticizing her for that. It is what most people would do. > But >> it does not give her the riht to think she could become like Joni. >> >> >> >> Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #428 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe