From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #427 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, November 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 427 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Foiled again! [Steve Dulson ] Additional question on the survey ... ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Joni mention by Katy Perry [Gerald Kent ] Re: Bob is a good guy [Gerald Kent ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1505 [Janine Sherman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:36:32 -0400 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Foiled again! Hey Bob, just between you and me, I'm really surprised that Arkay and Gerald tumbled to the plot so fast. When the Inner Circle agreed that our ultimate goal was to turn the world against Joni Mitchell and destroy any regard for her music, I figured it would take us YEARS. It's too bad we didn't trim all the non-IC people off the list, as I adviocated in '98. Wow. We've been outsmarted again. :( ^&*(%^%#!! (The Secret Handshake) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:42:11 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: Additional question on the survey ... An astute person noticed that I forgot to add a question to the survey that asks if you want to send a message to Joni (duh!). I've added that question to the survey. If you already filled out the survey, send your Joni birthday message to me at sem8@cornell.edu and I will add it to the birthday card. Sorry, Human Error!!! Here is the link to the updated survey! https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/6J9L55N Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 04:11:04 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Katy Perry I second what Rob said. There are a bunch of current hitmakers I really enjoy, like Rhianna, Maroon 5, Ellie Goulding, Avici, Eminem, and even Taylor Swift. Not everyone will have the staying power of Joni Mitchell, for good reason, but there is plenty of good workmanship on the radio. My only objection was to the article "a" in front of Joni's name. Although I don't believe it was meant to be disrespectful, it serves to dehumanize. There is only one Joni Mitchell. The archetype to which Katy refers is a shortcut that removes the incentive to pay attention to Joni and her journey through music. Most people think the pink dress concert is it, and they move on. For the record, I'd listen to Celebrity Skin over Clouds any day. Betsy > On Oct 30, 2013, at 1:48 AM, Rob Procyk wrote: > > I really like Katy. That being said, I don't think Bob's comment was offensive at all - it was meant as a joke and I don't think it is misogynistic that he basically scoffed that Katy would grow into a Joni Mitchell. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:19:35 -0400 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Joni mention by Katy Perry Nice post Catherine. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 30, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > > > > Well said, Rick! > > I can remember being afraid to tell people I liked Joni Mitchell and her music, because I was afraid of being put down. Hell, I still don't even admit it to many these days unless I know I'm in good company! And yes, to echo somewhat what Arkay said, I often think that female musicians are looked down on by a majority of men. Some of the exceptions can be found here on the jmdl, and you know, there may be more out there. So, I can understand the sensitivity. > > However, I've also met Bob Muller and I know he's a good guy. He likes to make jokes, but I don't think any of what he says is mean-spirited. Still, with the written word being what it is, and if you didn't know him, then I can see how it might come across that way. > > I can also remember being a kid and a teenager and enjoying a lot of pop music, which was never anywhere as deep as Joni's stuff. A lot of it was crap but a lot of it was good, and it was still fun, but in a different way. Even Joni said, "F**k it!Tonight I'm going dancing." > > More and more, modern music is just another product pushed on us by big business. There's a lot of crap out there (although even crap is subjective) but there's also good stuff. If big business doesn't see a musician or performer as being able to sell a lot of units, then they're not interested in them, so many turn to producing their stuff independently. > > Katy Perry has put out some good stuff - very catchy pop songs. Her latest album "Prism" has a song she and Jonatha Brooke wrote together, called "Choose your battles." I know that a few of us here are Jonatha fans. I think she has talent and she also seems like a very nice person, if that's worth anything. (Also, for what it's worth, her hair is usually black, sometimes blue and sometimes other colours.) > > I was pleasantly surprised by how good Miley Cyrus's singing is. I hadn't heard her until she appeared on Saturday Night Live a few weeks ago. It doesn't sound like autotune to me. But I do wish she'd keep her tongue in her mouth, because, ewww! I also think Lady Gaga is a lot of fun, and I love Pink. > > It is true that more venom is unleashed on female performers than on male ones. You have only to see how much wrath was vent on Miley for her performance on whatever award show that was, while Robin Thicke was barely mentioned. I didn't watch the show, but you'd have to be living under a rock not to hear the nattering about that for weeks. > > I also agree with Rick that, as we get older, it becomes more difficult to relate to modern music. What we hear as teens is probably what will stick with us for the most part, even if we do enjoy some of the newer stuff.. I, for one, will never understand the allure of electronic dance music outside of a dance floor and yet, they have entire festivals and concerts for that stuff. To each his or her own and ain't nothin' wrong with that. > > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: Rick Hobbs-Seeley < ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:22:29 -0400 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Bob is a good guy Wow Anne, I don't remember insinuating I didn't "like" people on the list. I was just voicing my distaste at how many of you are so condescending. Just an opinion. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 30, 2013, at 9:38 AM, Anne Sandstrom wrote: > > Hello Gerald, > Am I do understand that you just don't like any of us? I'm addressing you personally only because you addressed us (the listers) personally. > > Obviously, I don't know you and vice versa. > > As for assumptions about what people on this list like and listen to - this IS the Joni Mitchell list, so I think it's only natural to center on music that is contemporary to her work. That doesn't mean nobody listens to or likes current music. This just isn't the Contemporary Popular Musicians' List. > > And, for the record, I've met Bob on a number of occasions. In person. So I'm able to fill in a lot behind the written word. It does make a difference. I like Bob. I'm not a sheep, even if I do think that lambs are adorable beyond belief. > > OTOH I've never met you, so I'm left to adding my own inflection to your posts. My impression is negative, but incomplete. And I realize that limitation, so I guess I'm just puzzled. > > I'll just chalk this up to the impersonality of the internet and the phenomenon in which people says things electronically that they wouldn't say in person. > > Lots of love, > Anne > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message, all attachments and all copies and backups thereof. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 10:10:06 -0400 From: Janine Sherman Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1505 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 1, 2013, at 9:31 AM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote: > > JMDL Digest Friday, November 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1505 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Newer Music njc [Catherine McKay ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 06:29:21 -0700 (PDT) > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: Newer Music njc > > I hate what yahoo has done. I had a lot of problems when they first switched me over to the "new" version and, in particular, the "conversations" thing they are defaulting to. I was able to update the subject line responding to your email and am not sure whether or not it's related to the "conversations" thing, but I'd bet it is. You may need to go into settings (the gear-looking thing, top right), then "viewing emails" and make sure to untick (untick?) the box called "enable conversations" and then you will get something like what yahoo mail used to look like and you should be able to amend subject lines. > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: Bob Muller >> To: Cassy ; JMDL >> Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 9:10:15 AM >> Subject: Re: Newer Music >> >> >> >> PS: Yahoo did an upgrade and now I don't see >> how to amend the Subject Line to include to NJC. Sorry Joni-onlies, shan't >> happen again (intentionally, that is). > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1505 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #427 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe