From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #425 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, November 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 425 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New Library item: The Joni Mitchell generation: James Blake, Corinne Bailey Rae and others pay tribute [] Re: Katy Perry On The 180 That Saved Her Career [Gerald Kent ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1515 [Debra Mann ] Pea brain music [Sharon Watkins ] RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #1515 ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Katy Perry On The 180 That Saved Her Career [Gerald Kent ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 13:14:42 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: The Joni Mitchell generation: James Blake, Corinne Bailey Rae and others pay tribute Title: The Joni Mitchell generation: James Blake, Corinne Bailey Rae and others pay tribute Publication: The Independent (UK Newspaper) Date: 2013.11.1 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2708 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 15:36:37 -0400 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Katy Perry On The 180 That Saved Her Career Anne, thank you for your insight. I am sorry you don't understand. Gerald Sent from my iPad > On Nov 1, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Anne Sandstrom wrote: > > Honestly, Gerald, I just don't get it. > > If you're trying to be amusing, you're just not doing it. > If you're trying to be annoying - well your posts are starting to get under my skin. And that takes some doing. I heard you the first time. I didn't get your point then. I don't get it now. > As I said before, I like sheep. But I'm rather insulted on behalf of this whole list that you think we have only one collective brain (assuming that's what you're implying.) We don't. > And, for the record, I'm rather fond of Bob. I've met him. In person. Nice guy. Exquisite taste in music. Why you think my positive opinion of someone I actually know makes me a sheep is beyond me. > > So, are you sure you want to be part of this list? I'm asking that sincerely and kindly. If you're not happy here, if you find us intolerable, perhaps it isn't the place for you. You should do what brings you joy, not antagonism. > > lots of love, > Anne > on Oct 31, 2013, Gerald P Kent wrote: > BAA, BAA, BAA, BAA. Another of the sheep "herd" from!!!!! > > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 19:43:14 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: New Library item: The Joni Mitchell generation: James Blake, Corinne Bailey Rae and others pay tribute Great article ... and goes along with our birthday card theme. If you haven't filled out Joni's birthday card survey yet, you have till midnight tonight. Les "The Man" Irvin says this will be in her hands on her birthday. How cool is that? https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/6J9L55N Susan Tierney McNamara email:B sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 3:15 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: New Library item: The Joni Mitchell generation: James Blake, Corinne Bailey Rae and others pay tribute Title: The Joni Mitchell generation: James Blake, Corinne Bailey Rae and others pay tribute Publication: The Independent (UK Newspaper) Date: 2013.11.1 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2708 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 15:34:34 -0400 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Katy Perry On The 180 That Saved Her Career Sally, please tell me when I used the term "slavishly following". Thanks, Gerald Sent from my iPad > On Nov 1, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Sally wrote: > > Hi Anne, Gerald, Bob, et al > > Anne that was a concise explanation of my own feelings. I had been working on a reply to his comments but hadn't gotten to it yet. Gerald I'm just really interested and hope that you will offer a further explanation of exactly who you think we are slavishly following. It's a rather skewed assumption. I've been on this list about a year and have spoken to a handful of people off the list. I follow Joni. That's why I'm here. I'm a foolish sheep for Joni and her words...and her music. I can't see anything wrong in that. My musical taste is broad ranging. I bought the new eminem tracks a few days ago. Reason? You can dance to them and I am a fool for the dance floor. Lately I've been listening to this guy I'm nuts about named Joe Firstman. He's incredible and the CD I've been listening to is a really interesting mix of styles. Then, I've been spinning Pink constantly. > Anyway, I'm vaguely familiar with Bob who seems well liked here and a kind person. It's a list that allows for discussion of music. It stands to reason that we will each have things we like and do not like. If my interests coincide with Bob's, great. Again, you can name call if you like. My father always told me to "suffer fools gladly." Since it's either that or tell them to go fuck themselves, I'll stick with the suffering. I hope you will reconsider your anger or your lack of reason in some of your assumptions. > Peace, Sally > > Sent from Confunction Junction on my iPhone > >> On Nov 1, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Anne Sandstrom wrote: >> >> Honestly, Gerald, I just don't get it. >> >> If you're trying to be amusing, you're just not doing it. >> If you're trying to be annoying - well your posts are starting to get under my skin. And that takes some doing. I heard you the first time. I didn't get your point then. I don't get it now. >> As I said before, I like sheep. But I'm rather insulted on behalf of this whole list that you think we have only one collective brain (assuming that's what you're implying.) We don't. >> And, for the record, I'm rather fond of Bob. I've met him. In person. Nice guy. Exquisite taste in music. Why you think my positive opinion of someone I actually know makes me a sheep is beyond me. >> >> So, are you sure you want to be part of this list? I'm asking that sincerely and kindly. If you're not happy here, if you find us intolerable, perhaps it isn't the place for you. You should do what brings you joy, not antagonism. >> >> lots of love, >> Anne >> on Oct 31, 2013, Gerald P Kent wrote: >> BAA, BAA, BAA, BAA. Another of the sheep "herd" from!!!!! >> >> Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 12:56:50 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1515 Seriously. You may be new, Debra. But you are already a treasure. - - Shari > On Nov 1, 2013, at 12:40 PM, "Susan E. McNamara" wrote: > > YEAH Debra!!!! :-) Joni Mitchell is going to be 70 years old next Thursday. She wrote Both Sides Now when she was 23, she wrote Down To You when she was 30. Between singing Both Sides Now in small Detroit cafes and recording Court & Spark with some of the best musicians in LA, she had produced 5 classic albums. And that was just the first 7 years. We got a lot to talk about. :-) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Debra Mann > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 2:04 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1515 > > I'm totally new to this list, and I feel a bit like I've been watching a drive-by accident, regarding Katie Perry. Lots of intelligent folks, with a lot of heart and passion, amidst lots of opinions and differing tastes. But, I'm just wondering when we can all get back in point. That being Joni Mitchell. Sorry, just had to say it. > > Debra > > www.debramann.com > >> On Nov 1, 2013, at 1:54 PM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote: >> >> >> JMDL Digest Friday, November 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1515 >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> Katy becoming Joni [Paul Ivice ] >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 13:48:13 -0400 (EDT) >> From: Paul Ivice >> Subject: Katy becoming Joni >> >> Gerald wrote: I believe this gal Katy (of whom I know nothing about -- >> have no kids and do not listen to today's radio) was trashed rather >> significantly because she insinuated she would like to be like Joni. >> >> >> I don't think the problem most of us had was that Katy Perry said >> she's wanted to be Joni Mitchell, but the way Katy said she would >> probably become like Joni as though it were some easy or natural thing for her to do. >> Even if I conceded that pop singers/musicians like Katy Perry or >> Taylor Swift had the chops to write songs with as much depth as Joni >> or play their instruments with such aplomb and creativity, which I am >> not prepared to do, would they have the guts to continue evolving in >> their musical choices as they desire rather than pandering to the >> appeal of the masses who buy their CDs by the millions? >> I think not. >> So you can defend the artistry of Katy Perry all you want, but what >> she said about Joni was an insult to Joni and the risks she has taken >> throughout her career. >> >> >> Paul Ivice ;>) >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1515 >> ****************************** >> >> ------- >> To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >> ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 14:03:59 -0400 From: Debra Mann Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1515 I'm totally new to this list, and I feel a bit like I've been watching a drive-by accident, regarding Katie Perry. Lots of intelligent folks, with a lot of heart and passion, amidst lots of opinions and differing tastes. But, I'm just wondering when we can all get back in point. That being Joni Mitchell. Sorry, just had to say it. Debra www.debramann.com > On Nov 1, 2013, at 1:54 PM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote: > > > JMDL Digest Friday, November 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1515 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Katy becoming Joni [Paul Ivice ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 13:48:13 -0400 (EDT) > From: Paul Ivice > Subject: Katy becoming Joni > > Gerald wrote: I believe this gal Katy (of whom I know nothing about -- have > no kids and do not listen to today's radio) was trashed rather significantly > because she insinuated she would like to be like Joni. > > > I don't think the problem most of us had was that Katy Perry said she's > wanted to be Joni Mitchell, but the way Katy said she would probably become > like Joni as though it were some easy or natural thing for her to do. > Even if I conceded that pop singers/musicians like Katy Perry or Taylor Swift > had the chops to write songs with as much depth as Joni or play their > instruments with such aplomb and creativity, which I am not prepared to do, > would they have the guts to continue evolving in their musical choices as they > desire rather than pandering to the appeal of the masses who buy their CDs by > the millions? > I think not. > So you can defend the artistry of Katy Perry all you want, but what she said > about Joni was an insult to Joni and the risks she has taken throughout her > career. > > > Paul Ivice ;>) > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1515 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 14:05:41 -0500 From: Sharon Watkins Subject: Pea brain music The discussion of serious music (i.e. Joni) vs. pea brain music got me to thinking: sometimes I'm in the mood for a National Inquirer, People or Us magazine (I'm not above gossip). Sometimes I'm in the mood for, say, Shakespeare or To Kill a Mockingbird (or dozens of books somewhere on the continuum). Suits me just fine, and I feel the same way about tastes in music. Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 19:40:09 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #1515 YEAH Debra!!!! :-) Joni Mitchell is going to be 70 years old next Thursday. She wrote Both Sides Now when she was 23, she wrote Down To You when she was 30. Between singing Both Sides Now in small Detroit cafes and recording Court & Spark with some of the best musicians in LA, she had produced 5 classic albums. And that was just the first 7 years. We got a lot to talk about. :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Debra Mann Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 2:04 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1515 I'm totally new to this list, and I feel a bit like I've been watching a drive-by accident, regarding Katie Perry. Lots of intelligent folks, with a lot of heart and passion, amidst lots of opinions and differing tastes. But, I'm just wondering when we can all get back in point. That being Joni Mitchell. Sorry, just had to say it. Debra www.debramann.com > On Nov 1, 2013, at 1:54 PM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote: > > > JMDL Digest Friday, November 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1515 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Katy becoming Joni [Paul Ivice ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 13:48:13 -0400 (EDT) > From: Paul Ivice > Subject: Katy becoming Joni > > Gerald wrote: I believe this gal Katy (of whom I know nothing about -- > have no kids and do not listen to today's radio) was trashed rather > significantly because she insinuated she would like to be like Joni. > > > I don't think the problem most of us had was that Katy Perry said > she's wanted to be Joni Mitchell, but the way Katy said she would > probably become like Joni as though it were some easy or natural thing for her to do. > Even if I conceded that pop singers/musicians like Katy Perry or > Taylor Swift had the chops to write songs with as much depth as Joni > or play their instruments with such aplomb and creativity, which I am > not prepared to do, would they have the guts to continue evolving in > their musical choices as they desire rather than pandering to the > appeal of the masses who buy their CDs by the millions? > I think not. > So you can defend the artistry of Katy Perry all you want, but what > she said about Joni was an insult to Joni and the risks she has taken > throughout her career. > > > Paul Ivice ;>) > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1515 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 15:32:13 -0400 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Katy Perry On The 180 That Saved Her Career Very nice post Vince. Nice to see someone follow it through. Thanks Sent from my iPad > On Oct 29, 2013, at 11:01 PM, Vince Lavieri wrote: > > What follows below is the wording of NPR. I am not a Katy Perry fan but I > found the interview informative in that my perceptions were altered as to her > depth. Not that she has to answer to me. The fact that Scott Simon did a > piece on her says something profound about her. And I wish the Huffington > Post article had had more content on Perry's Joni comment. > > What I know is this, that as a whole with some obvious exceptions the JMDL > tends to trash on all younger female pop singers. An Erica Badu will get some > respect but mention Taylor Swift and the knives come out. A blues-y jazzy Amy > Winehouse gets love but a woman who sings in the pop category gets put down > and castigated. And if a young female pop singer speaks of her respect for > Joni, the hate fest erupts. As it did when Taylor Swift was connected to > Joni, spoke well of her. The condescending comments were so numerous. > > Young male pop singers also get dissed but the venom is stronger on the > females. > > I have said before and I will repeat, that too many (and one is too many) have > forgotten two things: 1. hope I did before I get old and 2. Mothers, fathers > through out the land, don't criticize what you don't understand. > > When I think of how my generation was in the late 60s and early 70s, with > hair, clothes or lack thereof, sexual liberation, drugs, and all kinds of > posing and self aggrandizement, a Katy Perry, Lorde, Miley Cyrus, Gaga, > Kei$ha, are what they are: us reflected back at ourselves. They are us, > current generation to our faded generation that mocks the way our parents > mocked our music. The quip (which I suspect was said in humor, not to hurt) > about blue hair would never be made about Cindi Lauper but then she is in her > 40s or 50s. Katy Perry's hair has always been black to my knowledge but maybe > I missed a color change. Prism is a powerful album, Roar to me is over done > but so is all Led Zepplin. Not like she invented the arena sound. Teenage > Dream was one of the great albums of this decade. One can respect what we do > not like, understand what is not our genre, and realize that sometimes the > snark comes on so strong it invites the charge of misogyny and reflects poorly > on the elders who are pissed off by the music of the young, which of course > the young should be doing, and that female pop singers do not diminish Joni by > the fact of their talent and success. > > Vince who wishes people listened to what Miley sang when she twerked Robin and > remembered that group sex in public was a fun fashion for people now in their > 50s and 60s who are shocked, shocked that someone would act out why don't we > do it in the road. And is in agreement with those who have been troubled by > the Katy Perry comments today. > > > > > > I found the following story on the NPR iPhone App: > > Katy Perry On The 180 That Saved Her Career > by NPR Staff > > NPR - October 26, 2013 > > Katy Perry is among the world's biggest pop artists, but her fans know her > current career is actually a second take. She first tried her hand in the > music world as a teenager, making Christian music as Katy Hudson. She released > an album in 2001, which failed to break through.... > > http://www.npr.org/2013/10/26/240760441/katy-perry-returns-with-a-roar?sc=17& > f=7 > > > > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 13:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1519 Well in the spirit of getting everyone a little happier I must say that, here at 2:30 PM on a Friday afternoon, in my office, I found the title of the email here so absurdly funny that I laughed out loud for a long time... "Music snobs and sluts" I'm sorry you guys, sometimes life is absurd and you just have to laugh at it. - -Clint On Friday, November 1, 2013 2:24 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: JMDL Digest Friday, November 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1519 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Pablo Cruise njc [Rob Procyk ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 13:04:20 -0600 From: Rob Procyk Subject: Pablo Cruise njc Lol and I've been singing "Cool Love" since 8:00 this morning! TGIF, Rob Sent from my iPhone On 2013-11-01, at 12:50 PM, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) wrote: > > JMDL Digest Friday, November 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1517 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Music snobs and sluts [Clint Norwood ] > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 11:48:14 -0700 (PDT) > From: Clint Norwood > Subject: Re: Music snobs and sluts > > Kakki, > "Love will find a way!" :) > > Thanks for the reminder. > > - -Clint > > > > > > On Friday, November 1, 2013 11:21 AM, Michael Paz wrote: > > Well at least there is some discussion happening... Hope you are well old > friend. I am a wreck. I need some time off. I am not as young a I use to be. > > Love > > Paz > > > > > > > On Nov 1, 2013, at 5:54 AM, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > No Mikey, but I originally posted the Joni/Katy article. Didn't realize it was > going to create so much activity on the list, but I'm glad it did. > > In a message dated 11/1/2013 2:48:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > michael@thepazgroup.com writes: > >> HAHHAHA. And OMG its been so long since we had a good old fashioned flame > war >> ( and I am not talking about Jimmy and the Cuban ) > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1517 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1519 ****************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. 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