From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #414 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, October 27 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 414 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Latest Edition of NME's 500 Greatest Albums of All-Time List [Catheri] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1431 [Debra Mann ] Re: joni tributes [Bob Muller ] Re: Gordon, Joni and Suzanne [Catherine McKay ] Joni's birthday [kbhla@fastmail.fm] Re: My idea for a gift to Joni on her 70th birthday [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Latest Edition of NME's 500 Greatest Albums of All-Time List Isn't it funny how so many people on the jmdl pick "Hejira" as either their favourite, or one of their favourites and it's not here (OK, it was on the previous list.) On the other hand, I'm impressed that "Hissing" made it here, since a lot of people (outside this group and like-thinkers) seem to hate it, or at least, not get it. To be honest, I hate lists, because they make me feel inadequate, but I definitely need them as I get older, or nothing gets done. >________________________________ > From: Matthew Tong >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 11:59:58 PM >Subject: Latest Edition of NME's 500 Greatest Albums of All-Time List > > >http://www.nme.com/news/the-smiths/73363 >I don't think this has been mentioned yet? It came out on Tuesday. >I'm obsessed with lists, and with any list, I like (and dislike) many >things about this one. Only Blue and The Hissing of Summer Lawns made it. >Blue is sixty two spots too low, but whatever. > >If you don't feel like scrolling through all of the picks, you can read the >full list here. >http://consequenceofsound.net/2013/10/the-top-500-albums-of-all-time-according-to-nme/ > >Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:29:16 -0400 From: Debra Mann Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1431 Wonderful idea for Joni's birthday! I just recorded a live tribute concert to Joni at the Narrows with my jazz quintet on October 17, which I plan to release as a CD this year. The show was listed on the Jonimitchell.com site. It's wonderful to discover so many mutual fans, and get some of the back stories. Best, Debra www.debramann.com "LIKE" the Debra Mann Fan Page on Facebook www.facebook.com/DebraMannFanPage. Read my latest blog at http://blog.debramann.com/ Subscribe and be notified by email when a new post is up. On Oct 25, 2013, at 3:47 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > > JMDL Digest Friday, October 25 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1431 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: My idea for a gift to Joni on her 70th birthday [shadows and light Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1430 [Laurie Antonioli ] > Re: Joni's sensuality [Sally ] > RE: The bhootsb ["Susan E. McNamara" ] > Re: DJRD [Sally ] > Stereogum finally features Joni in their Counting Down (albums from worst to best) column [Matthew Tong > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:46:44 -0700 > From: shadows and light > Subject: Re: My idea for a gift to Joni on her 70th birthday > > like > > > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: > >> I just talked to Les and he said if I coordinated this he could help get >> it to >> Joni. Here's my idea: >> >> I would love to send her a card with an insert that chronicles all the Joni >> Tributes that have happened in the last year, and tell her how much her >> music >> is appreciated by all ages, all over the world. I'm sure the website and >> JMDL >> archives can give me a comprehensive list with some other research done on >> the >> web. Plus we can add Bob's numbers on the Cover front. I guess I was >> thinking about how amazed I am that lowly Ithaca is already planning their >> 5th >> annual Joni Tribute and the enthusiasm has not waned one iota. I think she >> needs to know this as she enters her twilight years - that she is not by >> any >> stretch of the imagination forgotten, and her music is not only being >> played >> by listeners but played actually by musicians, too. I'm sure she has an >> idea >> that this is true, but wouldn't it be cool to have it in one place where >> she >> can actually hold it and look at it? >> >> What do you think? I'm open to other ideas too but we should probably get >> a >> move on ... November 7 is exactly 13 days away ... not including today!!!! >> :) >> >> >> Susan Tierney McNamara >> email: sem8@cornell.edu > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:22:11 -0700 > From: Laurie Antonioli > Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1430 > > One thing I've noticed re: Joni - I'm not sure it has to do with her > turning 70, I think not, but, there has been a huge number of people doing > "Joni projects" in the last year or two (starting with Herbie Hancock's > record...) - I am doing one and have had this in the works for a long time, > only to find that there are numerous others doing the same thing. I think > that it's a kind of new interest in her, much by the "baby boomer" > generation. If it's a baby boomer musician, they, like me, have finally > come around to acknowledging the important impact she has had on our > musical lives. It's undeniable. She changed the world of music and > musicians with her work. And now, there's a lot going on with regard to > Joni. In the Bay Area, there was a beautiful production of "Blue" with a > different artist doing one song each from the record. It was really > incredible. My favorite was the Balkan Choir "Kitka" doing Blue - here's > the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVqft_u3iYA > one of the finest things I've ever heard. I had goosebumps throughout as > I'm from the Balkan region and to hear these harmonies just brought me to > my knees. > > > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > >> >> JMDL Digest Friday, October 25 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1430 >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >> -------- >> The bhootsb [Steve Dulson < >> tinkersown@ca.rr.com>] >> Joni's birthday ["Susan E. McNamara" < >> sem8@cornell.edu>] >> My idea for a gift to Joni on her 70th birthday ["Susan E. McNamara" >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:11:27 -0400 >> From: Steve Dulson >> Subject: The bhootsb >> >> SueNac wrote: >> >>> he would sit in on b hootsb with Ian and Sylvia and Gordon Lightfoot in >> Toronto >> >> Sue, I would play bhootsb with you anytime, whatever the heck it is! :) >> >> *************************************************** >> Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA >> FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) >> tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:45:53 +0000 >> From: "Susan E. McNamara" >> Subject: Joni's birthday >> >> Is the JMDL doing anything for Joni's birthday this year? A Card, or >> something? Since it's a milestone year, I was just wondering. >> >> Susan Tierney McNamara >> email: sem8@cornell.edu >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:49:18 +0000 >> From: "Susan E. McNamara" >> Subject: My idea for a gift to Joni on her 70th birthday >> >> I just talked to Les and he said if I coordinated this he could help get >> it to >> Joni. Here's my idea: >> >> I would love to send her a card with an insert that chronicles all the Joni >> Tributes that have happened in the last year, and tell her how much her >> music >> is appreciated by all ages, all over the world. I'm sure the website and >> JMDL >> archives can give me a comprehensive list with some other research done on >> the >> web. Plus we can add Bob's numbers on the Cover front. I guess I was >> thinking about how amazed I am that lowly Ithaca is already planning their >> 5th >> annual Joni Tribute and the enthusiasm has not waned one iota. I think she >> needs to know this as she enters her twilight years - that she is not by >> any >> stretch of the imagination forgotten, and her music is not only being >> played >> by listeners but played actually by musicians, too. I'm sure she has an >> idea >> that this is true, but wouldn't it be cool to have it in one place where >> she >> can actually hold it and look at it? >> >> What do you think? I'm open to other ideas too but we should probably get >> a >> move on ... November 7 is exactly 13 days away ... not including today!!!! >> :) >> >> >> Susan Tierney McNamara >> email: sem8@cornell.edu >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1430 >> ****************************** >> >> ------- >> To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. >> Unsubscribe by clicking here: >> mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >> ------- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 03:08:00 -0400 > From: Sally > Subject: Re: Joni's sensuality > > Hey Mark! > > Right! :) This got me to referencing in my mind how many times Joni has > written about clothing in her songs. We know she's a fashion junkie. It > immediately brought to mind: > She don't like my kick pleat skirt > She don't like my eyelids painted green > She don't like me staying up late > In my high-heeled shoes > Living for that Rock'n'Roll dancing scene > > Seems to me she's mentioned bridal gowns more than once but I can only recall > it in Song for Sharon. > > PeaceLove, Sally in freezing Virginia > >> On Oct 25, 2013, at 1:03 AM, "Mark" wrote: >> >> And she ends the song with: >> >> The streets were never really mine >> Not mine, not mine these glamor gowns. >> >> Mark in foggy Seattle >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Sally >> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:30 PM >> To: Shari Eaton >> Cc: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com ; joni@smoe.org ; betsyblue82@gmail.com >> Subject: Re: Joni's sensuality >> >> Hey folks! I'm not sure that's joni! :0 I never noticed it either but I'm > doubtful! Could be I guess. What I'm wondering now is, who is the kid? Can't > imagine I don't know that...but, I don't! >> As far as how she dresses, I'm not sure if I think it's "modest". I think > she wears a lot of interesting stuff...it's artsy in my opinion. She's a very > stylish girl. Some of my favorite lines of hers which most certainly is > autobiographical and so incredibly descriptive and visual: >> >> But even on the scuffle >> The cleaner's press was in my jeans >> And any eye for detail >> Caught a little lace along the seams >> >> >>> On Oct 24, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Shari Eaton wrote: >>> >>> I never noticed that before! Is it verifiably her? Looks like it could be > a >>> greek statuette or something. >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 24, 2013, at 3:59 PM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: >>>> >>>> I hope ya'll appreciate how much time it took to trim my quote on the >>> smartphone. >>>> >>>> Anyway, by my count, she was nude in two albums. Everyone remembers the >>> seaside, backside shot on the inside of "For The Roses" but everyone > forgets >>> the full, frontal nudity in black and white, smack dab on the cover of Don >>> Juan's Reckless Daughter. How could you miss it? It is even in front of > a >>> kid, for crying out loud. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>>> She was also mentioned in an article, along with a number of other >>> singers, >>>>> as an example of dressing modestly. Interesting, since she did appear > nude >>>>> in one album and in a bikini in another. It is all about context. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:27:47 +0000 > From: "Susan E. McNamara" > Subject: RE: The bhootsb > > HAHAHA! That was supposed to be hoots but since I put it in quotes smoe.org messed with it. She was referring to hootenannies ... you know what they are, right Steve!!!! Miss our little home in New Orleans!!! :-) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email:B sem8@cornell.edu > > - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Steve Dulson > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 11:11 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: The bhootsb > > SueNac wrote: > >> he would sit in on bhootsb with Ian and Sylvia and Gordon Lightfoot in Toronto > > Sue, I would play bhootsb with you anytime, whatever the heck it is! :) > > *************************************************** > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA > FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) > tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 03:01:53 -0400 > From: Sally > Subject: Re: DJRD > > Hey Jim (and all), > I'm not sure why or if DJRD is an outcast. I think that trilogy of records > (HOSL/Hejira/DJRD) each stand alone but they also constitute a sort of > whole...that flows together. The songs seem to build in complexity in a way, > that sort of escalates and climaxes with DJRD. Don't you think that the > structure of the songs becomes more complicated and maybe less accessible in > some ways? Don't get me wrong because I've always picked Hejira as my > favorite album but DJRD runs a very close second. I think if you compare any > of the three to the previous record (Court&Spark) it's really apples and > oranges. She seemed to say fuck it and went in a direction that pleased her > at that point. I think she grew so much over the course of those records and > it gave her the guts to make the Mingus record. > I love DJRD! The title track alone is a masterpiece! :D Thanks for starting > this dialogue. Good thoughts! > >> To me, this is similar to the themes that people loved more on Hejira and > THOSL. Why is DJRD an outcast? >> >> Jim > > > >> On Oct 25, 2013, at 1:51 AM, Shari Eaton wrote: >> >> I've been listening to DJRD this week and as silly as it sounds I finally > heard her say Myrtle's lawn. I backed it up and listened to it in a completely > different way .. Recognizing that she was on vacation somewhere and then > traveled back home with the guy she was with at the time. It's really > difficult for me to remain focused on her story through Dreamland. All the > rich imagery at the start send my mind adrift every time. Same with Otis & > Marlena. I've been studying those two this week. It's a cheap pink rosC) keeps > playing in my head. It's kind of hard to say! >> >> Lots of Joni, >> - Shari >> >>> On Oct 24, 2013, at 10:31 PM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: >>> >>> See, I love this record. I love my country too but there are a LOT of > reasons to be disillusioned with the USA. Joni explored this duality for a > long time, (which is reflected in her houses too: which this week? BC or > LA?) >>> >>> To me, this is similar to the themes that people loved more on Hejira and > THOSL. Why is DJRD an outcast? >>> >>> Jim >>> Now playing in my head: Sting going, "one world is enough >>> For all of us" >>> >>> >>>> According to Joni, most reviews of the album missed its point: "Basically > it >>>> has to do with turning your back on America and heading into the Third >>>> World...at the time Muslims were messing around in Washington, there were >>>> radical tensions. I was disillusioned. The songs on the album have a lot > of >>>> ethnic references and there's a certain sentimentality for the North > American >>>> Indian." > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:48:34 -0700 > From: Matthew Tong > Subject: Stereogum finally features Joni in their Counting Down (albums from worst to best) column > > http://www.stereogum.com/1482732/joni-mitchell-albums-from-worst-to-best/list / > > I have just rejoined the JMDL after being a long time lurker in the 2000s, > so I don't know if this has been talked about already. > Blue should have easily been #1, but that's just my opinion. > > Matt > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1431 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 17:23:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: joni tributes Hi all, Finally back off the road...from New Orleans to California to Raleigh and back. Have had little to no time to keep up with email and other computer stuff. I'll resume my Joni covers stuff this weekend. And in upcoming volumes I will be including these great recordings from Rachel Z as well as other compilations that have been out there. Too good not to share. Bob NP: Pavement, "Loretta's Scars" On Friday, October 25, 2013 6:14 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: There's also an album of piano jazz Joni songs by the Rachel Z trio. I found "Big yellow taxi" on Youtube. It's hard to find her stuff, because she unfortunately uses a letter of the alphabet for her last name (which is Nicolazzo.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzqh7Y0Lkyc You can hear samples of the other songs at http://www.allmusic.com/album/moon-at-the-window-mw0000662262 I quite like this one. >________________________________ > From: shadows and light >To: JMDL ; Laurie Antonioli ; Dave Blackburn ; Les Irvin >Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:48:41 PM >Subject: joni tributes > > >dave said: "Yes, absolutely agreed. I think she'll ultimately be >remembered as a composer first and foremost, and will be one of the few >whose work will resonate for many future generations." > >does tribute band only apply to the living?? tribute to Caesar? > >i agree that her compositions will stand the test of time. but i believe >her lyrics will hold their own too. vivid snapshots, social history, much >like dickens' work they reveal the social mores of these changing times. > >and i think dave's perception of the the timeline is correct. i remember >the first time i heard david lahm on kjazz. i pulled my car over on >pchand just listened > >that said, les how can we access the jmdl archives these days? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:08:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Gordon, Joni and Suzanne I would love to live like that. Gypsy van and six cats! >________________________________ > From: "kbhla@fastmail.fm" >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:33:11 PM >Subject: Gordon, Joni and Suzanne > > >I was always as nuts about Gordon Lightfoot as Joni in the early days. >The Joni songs that I've long thought were most like Gordon songs are >Urge for Going and Eastern Rain. > >I follow this interesting artist on Facebook who travels in a micro >Gypsy caravan wagon, powered by bicycle. Was so surprised to see he had >visited with Leonard Cohen's actual Suzanne in Venice the other day! >She also lives in a Gypsy wagon. Here is a link to his visit with her >and a photo. >http://theaimlesslywanderingartist.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-day-in-venice.html > >Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:22:29 -0700 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Joni's birthday Sue, I love your idea for Joni's birthday card! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:59:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My idea for a gift to Joni on her 70th birthday Ha ha! Great idea! Joni had what looked like an Iphone with her when she did her talk in Toronto a few months ago. I wonder if she's shittin' us when she says she doesn't own a computer? P.S. Sue, I love your idea. I'm so glad some people remember birthdays. I usually don't! >________________________________ > From: Michael Paz >To: shadows and light >Cc: Susan E. McNamara ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:55:30 PM >Subject: Re: My idea for a gift to Joni on her 70th birthday > > >a computer. LMAO!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > >> I just talked to Les and he said if I coordinated this he could help get >> it to >> Joni. Here's my idea: >> >> I would love to send her a card with an insert that chronicles all the Joni >> Tributes that have happened in the last year, and tell her how much her >> music >> is appreciated by all ages, all over the world. I'm sure the website and >> JMDL >> archives can give me a comprehensive list with some other research done on >> the >> web. Plus we can add Bob's numbers on the Cover front. I guess I was >> thinking about how amazed I am that lowly Ithaca is already planning their >> 5th >> annual Joni Tribute and the enthusiasm has not waned one iota. I think she >> needs to know this as she enters her twilight years - that she is not by >> any >> stretch of the imagination forgotten, and her music is not only being >> played >> by listeners but played actually by musicians, too. I'm sure she has an >> idea >> that this is true, but wouldn't it be cool to have it in one place where >> she >> can actually hold it and look at it? >> >> What do you think? I'm open to other ideas too but we should probably get >> a >> move on ... November 7 is exactly 13 days away ... not including today!!!! >> :) >> >> >> Susan Tierney McNamara >> email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 01:04:36 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: God Only Knows Here is an interesting version of the wonderful Brian Wilson song, performed by Petra Hayden, who is apparently Charlie Hayden's daughter: www.TinyURL.com/ll8anc5 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:29:07 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: =?utf-8?B?UkU6IE5ldyBMaWJyYXJ5IGl0ZW06IFRoZSBSZXNvbmFuY2UgT2YgS m9uaSBN?= =?utf-8?B?aXRjaGVsbOKAmXMgIldpemFyZCBvZiBJcyIgV2l0aCBMZW9uYXJkIENvaGVu ?= =?utf-8?B?4oCZcyAiU3V6YW5uZSI=?= My Gordon Lightfoot Easy for Guitar book was much more satisfying than my Joni Mitchell Easy for Guitar b& I thought someone with a tin ear wrote the Joni book!!!! b: Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 3:27 PM To: Susan E. McNamara; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: New Library item: The Resonance Of Joni Mitchellbs "Wizard of Is" With Leonard Cohenbs "Suzanne" Same here, probably because I heard him first. I have a couple of early songbooks of his that I've had for over 40 years. ________________________________ I would have to say out loud that Gordon Lightfoot has more to do with me picking up the guitar than Joni. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #414 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe