From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #410 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, October 25 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 410 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New Joni Mitchell Tribute Album Is Coming Your Way [Laurie Antonioli ] Re: Joni's sensuality ["Mark" ] Joni's sensuality [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] DJRD [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] =?utf-8?B?UmU6IE5ldyBMaWJyYXJ5IGl0ZW06IFRoZSBSZXNvbmFuY2UgT2YgS m9uaSBN?= =?utf-8?B?aXRjaGVsbOKAmXMgIldpemFyZCBvZiBJcyIgV2l0aCBMZW9uYXJkIENvaGVu ?= =?utf-8?B?4oCZcyAiU3V6YW5uZSI=?= [] =?utf-8?B?UmU6IE5ldyBMaWJyYXJ5IGl0ZW06IFRoZSBSZXNvbmFuY2UgT2YgS m9uaSBN?= =?utf-8?B?aXRjaGVsbOKAmXMgIldpemFyZCBvZiBJcyIgV2l0aCBMZW9uYXJkIENvaGVu ?= =?utf-8?B?4oCZcyAiU3V6YW5uZSI=?= [] Joni's sensuality [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #1414 [Mary Morris ] Best albums: Hejira [Betsy Blue ] =?utf-8?B?UkU6IE5ldyBMaWJyYXJ5IGl0ZW06IFRoZSBSZXNvbmFuY2UgT2YgS m9uaSBN?= =?utf-8?B?aXRjaGVsbOKAmXMgIldpemFyZCBvZiBJcyIgV2l0aCBMZW9uYXJkIENvaGVu ?= =?utf-8?B?4oCZcyAiU3V6YW5uZSI=?= [] Re: Joni's sensuality [Jack Merkel ] Re: Joni's sensuality [Shari Eaton ] Re: DJRD [Shari Eaton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 00:24:29 -0700 From: Laurie Antonioli Subject: New Joni Mitchell Tribute Album Is Coming Your Way Hello Dear Joni fans, Please take a look: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/songs-of-shadow-songs-of-light/x/1830694 I hope you find this interesting. I've been in love with Joni for 40 years. It's time to make this record. If you click on the link, you'll hear the story. Thanks in advance for taking the time to check this out. We've been working on this project for over a year and are super excited to be recording in the famous Fantasy Studios in December. But, as with most Indie artists these days, we need help. Every little bit helps. You'll see all the info by clicking on the above link. Thanks again! Sincerely, Laurie Antonioli ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:30:09 -0400 From: Sally Subject: Re: Joni's sensuality Hey folks! I'm not sure that's joni! :0 I never noticed it either but I'm doubtful! Could be I guess. What I'm wondering now is, who is the kid? Can't imagine I don't know that...but, I don't! As far as how she dresses, I'm not sure if I think it's "modest". I think she wears a lot of interesting stuff...it's artsy in my opinion. She's a very stylish girl. Some of my favorite lines of hers which most certainly is autobiographical and so incredibly descriptive and visual: But even on the scuffle The cleaner's press was in my jeans And any eye for detail Caught a little lace along the seams > On Oct 24, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Shari Eaton wrote: > > I never noticed that before! Is it verifiably her? Looks like it could be a > greek statuette or something. > > >> On Oct 24, 2013, at 3:59 PM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: >> >> I hope ya'll appreciate how much time it took to trim my quote on the > smartphone. >> >> Anyway, by my count, she was nude in two albums. Everyone remembers the > seaside, backside shot on the inside of "For The Roses" but everyone forgets > the full, frontal nudity in black and white, smack dab on the cover of Don > Juan's Reckless Daughter. How could you miss it? It is even in front of a > kid, for crying out loud. >> >> Jim >> >>> She was also mentioned in an article, along with a number of other > singers, >>> as an example of dressing modestly. Interesting, since she did appear nude >>> in one album and in a bikini in another. It is all about context. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:03:32 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni's sensuality And she ends the song with: The streets were never really mine Not mine, not mine these glamor gowns. Mark in foggy Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Sally Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:30 PM To: Shari Eaton Cc: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com ; joni@smoe.org ; betsyblue82@gmail.com Subject: Re: Joni's sensuality Hey folks! I'm not sure that's joni! :0 I never noticed it either but I'm doubtful! Could be I guess. What I'm wondering now is, who is the kid? Can't imagine I don't know that...but, I don't! As far as how she dresses, I'm not sure if I think it's "modest". I think she wears a lot of interesting stuff...it's artsy in my opinion. She's a very stylish girl. Some of my favorite lines of hers which most certainly is autobiographical and so incredibly descriptive and visual: But even on the scuffle The cleaner's press was in my jeans And any eye for detail Caught a little lace along the seams > On Oct 24, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Shari Eaton wrote: > > I never noticed that before! Is it verifiably her? Looks like it could be > a > greek statuette or something. > > >> On Oct 24, 2013, at 3:59 PM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: >> >> I hope ya'll appreciate how much time it took to trim my quote on the > smartphone. >> >> Anyway, by my count, she was nude in two albums. Everyone remembers the > seaside, backside shot on the inside of "For The Roses" but everyone > forgets > the full, frontal nudity in black and white, smack dab on the cover of Don > Juan's Reckless Daughter. How could you miss it? It is even in front of > a > kid, for crying out loud. >> >> Jim >> >>> She was also mentioned in an article, along with a number of other > singers, >>> as an example of dressing modestly. Interesting, since she did appear >>> nude >>> in one album and in a bikini in another. It is all about context. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 18:59:56 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Joni's sensuality I hope ya'll appreciate how much time it took to trim my quote on the smartphone. Anyway, by my count, she was nude in two albums. Everyone remembers the seaside, backside shot on the inside of "For The Roses" but everyone forgets the full, frontal nudity in black and white, smack dab on the cover of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. How could you miss it? It is even in front of a kid, for crying out loud. Jim > She was also mentioned in an article, along with a number of other singers, > as an example of dressing modestly. Interesting, since she did appear nude > in one album and in a bikini in another. It is all about context. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 01:31:22 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: DJRD See, I love this record. I love my country too but there are a LOT of reasons to be disillusioned with the USA. Joni explored this duality for a long time, (which is reflected in her houses too: which this week? BC or LA?) To me, this is similar to the themes that people loved more on Hejira and THOSL. Why is DJRD an outcast? Jim Now playing in my head: Sting going, "one world is enough For all of us" > According to Joni, most reviews of the album missed its point: "Basically it > has to do with turning your back on America and heading into the Third > World...at the time Muslims were messing around in Washington, there were > radical tensions. I was disillusioned. The songs on the album have a lot of > ethnic references and there's a certain sentimentality for the North American > Indian." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:06:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IE5ldyBMaWJyYXJ5IGl0ZW06IFRoZSBSZXNvbmFuY2UgT2YgS m9uaSBN?= =?utf-8?B?aXRjaGVsbOKAmXMgIldpemFyZCBvZiBJcyIgV2l0aCBMZW9uYXJkIENvaGVu ?= =?utf-8?B?4oCZcyAiU3V6YW5uZSI=?= It's not that I think she wrote it for him because I agree that he likely wouldn't have taken it. I don't recall ever hearing him singing anything but his own material. It's just that sometimes my brain will have me "hear" things in someone else's voice. Doesn't happen that often but, to me, the song sounds a bit like early Gordo. I'm sure at the time, they encountered each other at the clubs they played at. I agree with you about genderless singing. I don't mind it when a man sings a "woman's" song or vice versa. I like to challenge my brain sometimes. Goodness knows, my brain needs that! In fact, more often I love it when someone sings a song that's "meant" for the opposite sex. >________________________________ > From: Susan E. McNamara >To: Catherine McKay ; "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:00:29 AM >Subject: RE: New Library item: The Resonance Of Joni Mitchellbs "Wizard of Is" With Leonard Cohenbs "Suzanne" > > >Hi Catherine, > >I heard a recording of Joni where she was gabbing and tuning right before Winter Lady and she said she wrote it for a man to sing.B If she wrote it for Gordon Lightfoot to sing, I doubt he would have picked it up since he had no trouble writing his own songs to sing.B I really love Winter Lady and sang it at Pazfest ... I think it's fine for a woman to sing it to a woman if they so choose ... :-)B another example of Joni's genderless songwriting style. > >Susan Tierney McNamara >email:B sem8@cornell.edu > > > >- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:27:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IE5ldyBMaWJyYXJ5IGl0ZW06IFRoZSBSZXNvbmFuY2UgT2YgS m9uaSBN?= =?utf-8?B?aXRjaGVsbOKAmXMgIldpemFyZCBvZiBJcyIgV2l0aCBMZW9uYXJkIENvaGVu ?= =?utf-8?B?4oCZcyAiU3V6YW5uZSI=?= Same here, probably because I heard him first. I have a couple of early songbooks of his that I've had for over 40 years. >________________________________ > >B >I would have to say out loud that Gordon Lightfoot has more to do with me picking up the guitar than Joni.B >B >Susan Tierney McNamara >email:B sem8@cornell.edu >B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 00:39:43 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Joni's sensuality I don't know for sure who that Bare Naked Lady is on the cover of DJRD. Maybe she had a vision on peyote or something or it was suggested in one of the books by carlos castaneda. The kid's identity is in the JMDL archives somewhere. If I recall correctly, he was learning ballroom dancing, so he was wearing formalwear and looking at his feet. He was working out the steps. I think Joni said once that she wanted a Mickey Mouse balloon but couldn't get permission to use his image from Disney. I have no idea what that crazy mash up of images meant to her. It always makes me think of the mash up of vignettes in Dreamland. You know, Joni said, >> On a plane flying back to winter Shoes full of tropic sand A lady in a foreign flag On the arm of her Marlboro man The hawk howls in New York City Six foot drifts on Myrtle's lawn As they push the recline buttons down With dreamland coming on >> I can't translate that literally but I think Kurt Vonnegut's Billy Pilgrim in "Slaughterhouse Five" would say she's slightly unstuck in time. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:23:47 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #1414 This was a wonderful article; thought provoking. And who could argue that Hejira would be No. 1. Sometimes Blue is or FTR, but Hejira really is a masterpiece. I always have it on rotation in the car. His opinion : If there's ever been an album that demanded to be heard as a complete work of art on its own terms, it is Hejira; not a day goes by that I'm not glad it exists. AMEN. The album never gets old. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:31:25 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1414 > > > JMDL Digest Thursday, October 24 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1414 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > RE: Stereogum finally features Joni in their Counting Down (albums from worst to best) column ["Susan E. McNama] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 14:01:09 +0000 > From: "Susan E. McNamara" > Subject: RE: Stereogum finally features Joni in their Counting Down (albums from worst to best) column > > This was a great, well-written review of Joni's work. Although I don't agree with some of his reviews or rankings, I can say that this author knows his stuff. My biggest complaint is his hatred of Turbulent Indigo! DISAGREE!! In my opinion, Turbulent Indigo is a master work of Joni's late career guitar and songwriting style. I do agree also that For The Roses is a masterful album that did get lost in the shuffle between Blue and Court and Spark. I don't have time to go through how I would rank the albums but I would say my top five from better to best is Hissing, TI, Court&spark, Blue and Hejira. And of course I do agree with this sentiment: If there's ever been an album that demanded to be heard as a complete work of art on its own terms, it is Hejira; not a day goes by that I'm not glad it exists. AMEN. > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > - -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Tong > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:49 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Stereogum finally features Joni in their Counting Down (albums from worst to best) column > > http://www.stereogum.com/1482732/joni-mitchell-albums-from-worst-to-best/list / > > I have just rejoined the JMDL after being a long time lurker in the 2000s, so I don't know if this has been talked about already. > Blue should have easily been #1, but that's just my opinion. > > Matt > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1414 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 09:13:58 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Best albums: Hejira Total agreement on your top 5, Sue. Hejira also includes several of the most beautiful songs ever written by anyone, such as Refuge of the Roads, Amelia, and the title track. All three were treated well by Travelogue. My own favorite is Song for Sharon, but but there isn't a single mediocre song or production misstep on the album. And it is the one album Joni herself thinks nobody else could have written. Betsy > I would say my top five from better to best is Hissing, TI, Court&spark, Blue and Hejira. And of course I do agree with this sentiment: If there's ever been an album that demanded to be heard as a complete work of art on its own terms, it is Hejira; not a day goes by that I'm not glad it exists. AMEN. > > Susan Tierney McNamara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:44:28 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: =?utf-8?B?UkU6IE5ldyBMaWJyYXJ5IGl0ZW06IFRoZSBSZXNvbmFuY2UgT2YgS m9uaSBN?= =?utf-8?B?aXRjaGVsbOKAmXMgIldpemFyZCBvZiBJcyIgV2l0aCBMZW9uYXJkIENvaGVu ?= =?utf-8?B?4oCZcyAiU3V6YW5uZSI=?= Joni and Gordon had many encounters over the years, Ibm sure. He was sitting in on her Gene Shay radio interview where she played Sisotowbell Lane and (even though it was radio) you could tell they were both gaga b& and she also said when talking about David Rea that he would sit in on bhootsb with Ian and Sylvia and Gordon Lightfoot in Toronto. It would be interesting to hear if they were friends. I would have to say out loud that Gordon Lightfoot has more to do with me picking up the guitar than Joni. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:07 PM To: Susan E. McNamara; TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: New Library item: The Resonance Of Joni Mitchellbs "Wizard of Is" With Leonard Cohenbs "Suzanne" It's not that I think she wrote it for him because I agree that he likely wouldn't have taken it. I don't recall ever hearing him singing anything but his own material. It's just that sometimes my brain will have me "hear" things in someone else's voice. Doesn't happen that often but, to me, the song sounds a bit like early Gordo. I'm sure at the time, they encountered each other at the clubs they played at. I agree with you about genderless singing. I don't mind it when a man sings a "woman's" song or vice versa. I like to challenge my brain sometimes. Goodness knows, my brain needs that! In fact, more often I love it when someone sings a song that's "meant" for the opposite sex. ________________________________ From: Susan E. McNamara > To: Catherine McKay >; "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" >; "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:00:29 AM Subject: RE: New Library item: The Resonance Of Joni Mitchellbs "Wizard of Is" With Leonard Cohenbs "Suzanne" Hi Catherine, I heard a recording of Joni where she was gabbing and tuning right before Winter Lady and she said she wrote it for a man to sing. If she wrote it for Gordon Lightfoot to sing, I doubt he would have picked it up since he had no trouble writing his own songs to sing. I really love Winter Lady and sang it at Pazfest ... I think it's fine for a woman to sing it to a woman if they so choose ... :-) another example of Joni's genderless songwriting style. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 18:36:27 -0500 From: Jack Merkel Subject: Re: Joni's sensuality Has it ever been established that the nude torso on her dress is in fact Joni? Jack Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:59 PM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: > > I hope ya'll appreciate how much time it took to trim my quote on the smartphone. > > Anyway, by my count, she was nude in two albums. Everyone remembers the seaside, backside shot on the inside of "For The Roses" but everyone forgets the full, frontal nudity in black and white, smack dab on the cover of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. How could you miss it? It is even in front of a kid, for crying out loud. > > Jim > >> She was also mentioned in an article, along with a number of other singers, >> as an example of dressing modestly. Interesting, since she did appear nude >> in one album and in a bikini in another. It is all about context. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:12:37 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Joni's sensuality "In the song, Don Juan is really the art of the tongue, it's rapping - coffee house poet talk," says Joni who dressed up as a black guy for the LP's cover and sleeve. That's her too, underneath the Indian garb. The shooting sessions were upbeat, with Joni trying on different dresses and dancing around while Norman Seeff clicked away. When he asked for another change of clothes, he hardly recognized the black character that strutted from the dressing room five minutes later. "At that point, I realized I really enjoy character acting," she says. Working again with the Camera Lucida (Lucy) machine, Joni arranged the photos agreed upon from the sessions: she blew up the shot of her as the black guy and put it in the foreground; she liked the spirit of the shot with the top hat because it symbolized what she felt was the 'magic' on the album; and she included the shot of a kid who'd been in a session for a previous album. "He was shy and had never danced before, that's why he's looking at his feet," she says. But to her, the elements were not "homogenized" enough to be the final cover shot. When she noticed a postcard of a nude with a Mickey Mouse hat and balloons on a bulletin board she felt it was "the element that was like the cherry on the pudding that makes the whole thing come together." She worked it onto the dress, partly obscuring the pubic area and figure of Mickey Mouse (for legal reasons), I added the birds, and then had an airbrusher smooth over the edges of all the photos. She then selected the background colors from the options presented by Glen Christensen, who, she says, has a "wonderful knowledge of inks." According to Joni, most reviews of the album missed its point: "Basically it has to do with turning your back on America and heading into the Third World...at the time Muslims were messing around in Washington, there were radical tensions. I was disillusioned. The songs on the album have a lot of ethnic references and there's a certain sentimentality for the North American Indian." On Oct 24, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Mark wrote: > And she ends the song with: > > The streets were never really mine > Not mine, not mine these glamor gowns. > > Mark in foggy Seattle > > -----Original Message----- From: Sally > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:30 PM > To: Shari Eaton > Cc: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com ; joni@smoe.org ; betsyblue82@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Joni's sensuality > > Hey folks! I'm not sure that's joni! :0 I never noticed it either but I'm doubtful! Could be I guess. What I'm wondering now is, who is the kid? Can't imagine I don't know that...but, I don't! > As far as how she dresses, I'm not sure if I think it's "modest". I think she wears a lot of interesting stuff...it's artsy in my opinion. She's a very stylish girl. Some of my favorite lines of hers which most certainly is autobiographical and so incredibly descriptive and visual: > > But even on the scuffle > The cleaner's press was in my jeans > And any eye for detail > Caught a little lace along the seams > > >> On Oct 24, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Shari Eaton wrote: >> >> I never noticed that before! Is it verifiably her? Looks like it could be a >> greek statuette or something. >> >> >>> On Oct 24, 2013, at 3:59 PM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: >>> >>> I hope ya'll appreciate how much time it took to trim my quote on the >> smartphone. >>> >>> Anyway, by my count, she was nude in two albums. Everyone remembers the >> seaside, backside shot on the inside of "For The Roses" but everyone forgets >> the full, frontal nudity in black and white, smack dab on the cover of Don >> Juan's Reckless Daughter. How could you miss it? It is even in front of a >> kid, for crying out loud. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>>> She was also mentioned in an article, along with a number of other >> singers, >>>> as an example of dressing modestly. Interesting, since she did appear nude >>>> in one album and in a bikini in another. It is all about context. > > ___________________________ SHARI EATON Sr. Visual Designer / AD / UI / UX D 415.361.8708 T 415.621.5322 Design Portfolio LinkedIn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:51:29 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: DJRD I've been listening to DJRD this week and as silly as it sounds I finally heard her say Myrtle's lawn. I backed it up and listened to it in a completely different way .. Recognizing that she was on vacation somewhere and then traveled back home with the guy she was with at the time. It's really difficult for me to remain focused on her story through Dreamland. All the rich imagery at the start send my mind adrift every time. Same with Otis & Marlena. I've been studying those two this week. It's a cheap pink rosC) keeps playing in my head. It's kind of hard to say! Lots of Joni, - - Shari > On Oct 24, 2013, at 10:31 PM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: > > See, I love this record. I love my country too but there are a LOT of reasons to be disillusioned with the USA. Joni explored this duality for a long time, (which is reflected in her houses too: which this week? BC or LA?) > > To me, this is similar to the themes that people loved more on Hejira and THOSL. Why is DJRD an outcast? > > Jim > Now playing in my head: Sting going, "one world is enough > For all of us" > > >> According to Joni, most reviews of the album missed its point: "Basically it >> has to do with turning your back on America and heading into the Third >> World...at the time Muslims were messing around in Washington, there were >> radical tensions. I was disillusioned. The songs on the album have a lot of >> ethnic references and there's a certain sentimentality for the North American >> Indian." ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #410 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe