From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #397 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, October 16 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 397 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1394 [BarbaRent7@aol.com] Re: I hate Joni Mitchell [Victor ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1383 [carmel rotem ] Re: Illness as fodder [Ange T ] Re: I hate Joni Mitchell [Corey Blake ] Illness as fodder [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Pazfest ["Cassy" ] Re: I hate Joni Mitchell [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:41:19 -0400 (EDT) From: BarbaRent7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1394 You are so right, Ange and Jim! SO many of our greatest painters, writers musicians and poets have had issues. Everytime I hear that long piano piece in that Derek & the Domios song I'm still shocked that the player of that was (his name escapes me) suffering from scizophenia and later shot his mother. That the man who wrote "This Land is Your Land" Hank Williams had Huntington's Korea. That Virginia Wolfe and Dorothy Parker were both suicidal and most probably had depression problems and Vincent Van Gogh probably was Bipolar besides the poisoning he got from twirling his brushes in his mouth with lead-based paints? T.S. Elliot's wife Vivian was suffering also from menopausal, emotional problems not understood in her era. MOST weren't understood that's why their artwork released some of their inner turmoil and spoke to all of us in the beauty in which it became. Here is a painting of Vincent I did when I identified most with him in the 1970s. Love & Peace to all, Barbara Renton/ Calamity Babs [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Vinny on the hearth.JPG] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:10:43 -0400 From: Victor Subject: Re: I hate Joni Mitchell My thoughts exactly. No one is responsible for anyone else's behavior. This story sounds a little far-fetched... Victor in Atlanta NP: Red Sox vs. Tigers Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2013, at 7:50 PM, Corey Blake wrote: > > Sounds pretty absurd but pretending for a moment that the events are true, no one (not even Joni) can force someone to sleep with them. Either he chose to be unfaithful or he was raped. From the telling, it sounds like the former. Women aren't mind-controllers. Unless Jaco had some king of mental illness, he was able to make decisions. They might have been self-destructive decisions, but they were his. That doesn't let Joni off the hook but he's not a blameless victim. I don't know Jaco's story at all but the whole thing sounds highly dubious. > > -Corey > >> On Oct 16, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Shari Eaton wrote: >> >> Copy/pasted from amazon customer reviews. Interesting take on her relationship with Jaco. Anyone know if this is utter rubbish or not? >> >> "I am a big Jaco Pastorius fan (self-proclaimed best bass player in the world). That is why I hate this weirdo/homewrecker. Joni Mitchell found out about Jaco and immediately recruited him for he was the most innovative and creative bass player around. Jaco at this point was as happy as can be with his wife Tracy and children. When Joni found Jaco, Jaco was big on life and a strict musician who had a very occasional drink. Joni saw his raw talent, skill, and feel as an oppurtunity to offer him a large sum of money to impregnate her in order to conceive a musically talented child. Jaco denied her proposal, but she still managed to reel him in and sleep with her. She knew very well that Jaco was happily married with kids (homewrecker), but she went for it anyway and unfortunately succeeded. After a while, Jaco's wife Tracy caught on and dropped Jaco like a bad habit. From this point on Jaco became very depressed which eventually drove him to alcoholism. The alcoholism eventu! > al! >> ly led to the cocaine addiction and meltdown of his career. Jaco was one of the great ones. He had so much music left in him, but his life took a sudden downward spiral from his affair on which eventually led to his tragic death (murder). He was never the same after that and neither was his music. Jaco was angry and self-destructive after he lost his family. He would get wasted and pick fights with the biggest guy he could find. He fell apart because of Joni Mitchell's decision to break up his life (his love and his children). Therefore, I hereby state that I hope Joni dies sooner than later, for she ruined a huge piece of music history and the biggest piece of electric bass history yet. She ruined the great Jaco Pastorius. What a c_nt." >> >> - Shari ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:04:51 -0700 (PDT) From: carmel rotem Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1383 there's Robert Wyatt, who fell from the 4th floor window and became paralyzed from the waist down. he had to stop drumming moved to play the keyboard, and later released his best solo album (to my opinion) - Rock Bottom. and of course many musicians are/were suffering from depression, first one that comes to my mind is Nick Drake (which music was very influenced by his depression). Carmel. On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:24 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: JMDL Digest Monday, October 14 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1383 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Illness as fodder, njc I suppose [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:20:47 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Illness as fodder, njc I suppose Yes. I'm sure that someone has already mentioned the other Canadian polio survivor, Neil Young. Nash had both legs broken. Crosby nearly killed himself with drugs, and then nearly died from a failed liver(?). Levon Helm nearly died but came back and recorded a Grammy-winning album, only to die soon after. James Taylor is a case unto himself. Bob Dylan famously had a bad motorcycle accident that marked a turning point, in an odyssey full of turning points. Bryan Thomas is doing alright, even though he's too big for schenectady. Warren Zevon and Sir George Harrison made music even when disease slowly consumed them. Shawn Colvin has been writing in spite of debilitating depression for years. "And you know there may be more." There is a pretty cool book called "Illness As Metaphor" where Susan Sontag explores the topic in depth. Jim do you know of any other singer/songwriters who > have battled illness while creating musical brilliance during their > careers? > > Ange - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1383 ****************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:22:51 +1000 From: Ange T Subject: Re: Illness as fodder That's quite a sad and sorry list! Thanks to those listers who have commented on this thread and offered up links and book suggestions. I think it's fair to say that Joni never 'literally' referenced her time in hospital in any of her songs.. .which is interesting to me, given she's such a diary-entry kind of songwriter and given she seemed to give her ongoing health issues a lot of 'air time' in that recent interview. By the way, Jim, you had me going with your Polio-River lyrics! For a split second I thought there was a bootleg of that song that I'd never heard before! Ha! Ange in Oz angetakats.com.au > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:20:47 -0400 > From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com > Subject: Illness as fodder, njc I suppose > > Yes. I'm sure that someone has already mentioned the other Canadian polio > survivor, Neil Young. > > Nash had both legs broken. Crosby nearly killed himself with drugs, and > then nearly died from a failed liver(?). > > Levon Helm nearly died but came back and recorded a Grammy-winning album, > only to die soon after. > > James Taylor is a case unto himself. > > Bob Dylan famously had a bad motorcycle accident that marked a turning > point, in an odyssey full of turning points. > > Bryan Thomas is doing alright, even though he's too big for schenectady. > > Warren Zevon and Sir George Harrison made music even when disease slowly > consumed them. > > Shawn Colvin has been writing in spite of debilitating depression for > years. > > "And you know there may be more." > > There is a pretty cool book called "Illness As Metaphor" where Susan > Sontag explores the topic in depth. > > Jim > > > do you know of any other singer/songwriters who > > have battled illness while creating musical brilliance during their > > careers? > > > > Ange > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1383 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:50:17 -0700 From: Corey Blake Subject: Re: I hate Joni Mitchell Sounds pretty absurd but pretending for a moment that the events are true, no one (not even Joni) can force someone to sleep with them. Either he chose to be unfaithful or he was raped. From the telling, it sounds like the former. Women aren't mind-controllers. Unless Jaco had some king of mental illness, he was able to make decisions. They might have been self-destructive decisions, but they were his. That doesn't let Joni off the hook but he's not a blameless victim. I don't know Jaco's story at all but the whole thing sounds highly dubious. - -Corey On Oct 16, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Shari Eaton wrote: > Copy/pasted from amazon customer reviews. Interesting take on her relationship with Jaco. Anyone know if this is utter rubbish or not? > > "I am a big Jaco Pastorius fan (self-proclaimed best bass player in the world). That is why I hate this weirdo/homewrecker. Joni Mitchell found out about Jaco and immediately recruited him for he was the most innovative and creative bass player around. Jaco at this point was as happy as can be with his wife Tracy and children. When Joni found Jaco, Jaco was big on life and a strict musician who had a very occasional drink. Joni saw his raw talent, skill, and feel as an oppurtunity to offer him a large sum of money to impregnate her in order to conceive a musically talented child. Jaco denied her proposal, but she still managed to reel him in and sleep with her. She knew very well that Jaco was happily married with kids (homewrecker), but she went for it anyway and unfortunately succeeded. After a while, Jaco's wife Tracy caught on and dropped Jaco like a bad habit. From this point on Jaco became very depressed which eventually drove him to alcoholism. The alcoholism eventual! > ly led to the cocaine addiction and meltdown of his career. Jaco was one of the great ones. He had so much music left in him, but his life took a sudden downward spiral from his affair on which eventually led to his tragic death (murder). He was never the same after that and neither was his music. Jaco was angry and self-destructive after he lost his family. He would get wasted and pick fights with the biggest guy he could find. He fell apart because of Joni Mitchell's decision to break up his life (his love and his children). Therefore, I hereby state that I hope Joni dies sooner than later, for she ruined a huge piece of music history and the biggest piece of electric bass history yet. She ruined the great Jaco Pastorius. What a c_nt." > > - Shari ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:32:20 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Illness as fodder Ange, Did anyone mention the song FACELIFT? The lyrics are: I went so numb on Christmas day I couldn't feel my hands or feet Altho not about her hospital stay, Isn't she referencing her Post-*Polio* Syndrome? Laura Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:22:51 +1000 From: Ange T Subject: Re: Illness as fodder That's quite a sad and sorry list! Thanks to those listers who have commented on this thread and offered up links and book suggestions. I think it's fair to say that Joni never 'literally' referenced her time in hospital in any of her songs.. .which is interesting to me, given she's such a diary-entry kind of songwriter and given she seemed to give her ongoing health issues a lot of 'air time' in that recent interview. By the way, Jim, you had me going with your Polio-River lyrics! For a split second I thought there was a bootleg of that song that I'd never heard before! Ha! Ange in Oz angetakats.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:32:17 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Pazfest For those who are not on Facebook, I would like to publicly thank Michael Paz for his hard work in putting this event together. Though not a financial success for the charity due to the fear-mongering surrounding Hurricane Karen it was a social success for those among us who enjoy gathering with our peers to celebrate Joni Mitchell and her music. The performances for the main event, Robin and Dave's Friday night gig and the Sunday night JMDL show were stellar and the ambiance of New Orleans just made the whole weekend one to remember. Freda's gumbo.. need I say more? The combined efforts of JMDLers to prep the ingredients and put this dinner together was the epitome of teamwork. Kris and Kevin were such excellent hosts they truly added to the event. For those of you who were unable to attend it is still possible to donate to the Ruth Paz Foundation. There have been some difficulties with the donate button on the website and Michael is working with the web host to repair it. In the meantime anyone who would like to donate can send a check made out to the Ruth Paz Foundation and mail it to me. I will forward all checks received to Michael. Be sure to include your return address and I will send you one of the fabulous 2013 Pazfest button as a thank you. Mail checks made payable to the Ruth Paz Foundation to: Cassy Horrocks 18534 7th Ave NE Shoreline WA 98155 Thank you to everyone who helped make this a weekend for the memory books. Warmly, Cassy Public Photos: Pre Pazfest: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000604561802&sk=photos&collection_ token=100000604561802%3A2305272732%3A69&set=a.702882789741867.1073741829.1000 00604561802&type=3 Pazfest: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000604561802&sk=photos&collection_ token=100000604561802%3A2305272732%3A69&set=a.705280549502091.1073741830.1000 00604561802&type=3 Post Pazfest and JMDL show: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000604561802&sk=photos&collection_ token=100000604561802%3A2305272732%3A69&set=a.706055202757959.1073741832.1000 00604561802&type=3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:57:22 -0700 From: Subject: Re: I hate Joni Mitchell Rubbish ! - -----Original Message----- From: Shari Eaton Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:27 PM To: Joni List Subject: I hate Joni Mitchell Copy/pasted from amazon customer reviews. Interesting take on her relationship with Jaco. Anyone know if this is utter rubbish or not? "I am a big Jaco Pastorius fan (self-proclaimed best bass player in the world). That is why I hate this weirdo/homewrecker. Joni Mitchell found out about Jaco and immediately recruited him for he was the most innovative and creative bass player around. Jaco at this point was as happy as can be with his wife Tracy and children. When Joni found Jaco, Jaco was big on life and a strict musician who had a very occasional drink. Joni saw his raw talent, skill, and feel as an oppurtunity to offer him a large sum of money to impregnate her in order to conceive a musically talented child. Jaco denied her proposal, but she still managed to reel him in and sleep with her. She knew very well that Jaco was happily married with kids (homewrecker), but she went for it anyway and unfortunately succeeded. After a while, Jaco's wife Tracy caught on and dropped Jaco like a bad habit. From this point on Jaco became very depressed which eventually drove him to alcoholism. The alcoholism eventual! ly led to the cocaine addiction and meltdown of his career. Jaco was one of the great ones. He had so much music left in him, but his life took a sudden downward spiral from his affair on which eventually led to his tragic death (murder). He was never the same after that and neither was his music. Jaco was angry and self-destructive after he lost his family. He would get wasted and pick fights with the biggest guy he could find. He fell apart because of Joni Mitchell's decision to break up his life (his love and his children). Therefore, I hereby state that I hope Joni dies sooner than later, for she ruined a huge piece of music history and the biggest piece of electric bass history yet. She ruined the great Jaco Pastorius. What a c_nt." - - Shari ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #397 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe