From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #393 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, October 14 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 393 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Event Invite [Debra Mann ] Lakota [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: Martha Marlow - Big Yellow Taxi [Bob Muller ] "Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now And Then" (Pt. 2-of-2) [simon@icu.com] Re: Columbus Day? [Debra Pease ] "Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now And Then" (Pt. 1-of-2) [simon@icu.com] Re: Columbus Day? ["Mark" ] Joni Guitars [simon@icu.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 16:19:18 -0400 From: Debra Mann Subject: Event Invite Hi, I wanted to let folks in the Joni Mitchell digest know about an upcoming tribute to Joni this week. Here is the info (see below). Thanks, Debra > > Keep in touch with me through my newsletter! You'll get great news, information and upcoming events to look forward to! > View this email in your browser > > Share > Tweet > Forward to Friend > Debra Mann Quintet > Joni Mitchell 70th Birthday Tribute > Narrows Center for the Arts > > 16 Anawan Street, Fall River, MA > 508.324.1926 > > October 17, 2013 > 8:00 PM > Tickets $18.00 Advance | $20 Day of show > http://tickets.narrowscenter.org/ > > Debra Mann, jazz pianist and vocalist, has performed throughout the northeast corner of the US for three decades. She was deeply influenced early on by the music of Joni Mitchell, from her folk years through her exploration into jazz. > > Debras band features the mega talents of Dino Govoni (sax),Steve DeConti (guitar), Dave Zinno (bass), & Marty Richards(drums). Together they interpret the iconic music of Joni Mitchell through a jazz lens. > > Come join us in a great night of music as we celebrate this rare and highly gifted and influential artist. > > This concert will be a live recording for a future CD release. > > > Dear Friends, > I've been very productive lately, preparing for my Joni Mitchell 70th Birthday Tribute concert at the Narrows Center for the Arts. I've been transcribing new Joni tunes, making changes to arrangements, rewriting charts, practicing, rehearsing, and getting the word out to as many people as possible about the show. > > My fellow bandmates and I have had 3 rehearsals in the past few weeks, fine tuning each song. Rehearsing with my bandmates is such a rarity, hence a luxury, and proves the axiom that time is the greatest gift we can ever give to another. I am so honored to work with these amazing and talented musicians. The depth of soul that they bring to the music is so inspiring to me. > > This will be our first appearance (hopefully, of many) performing at the Narrows Center for the Arts, and we are really looking forward to it. We hope you will come out and support us for this very special concert and live recording. See you there! > > Peace, > Debra > > > Read my latest blog:Behind the Scenes > (click on link at bottom of newsletter) > > > > Get the Debra Mann Mobile app from itunes for your smart phone or tablet. Its free! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out my blog here! > Copyright ) 2013 Debra Mann Music, All rights reserved. > *|IF NOT:ARCHIVE_PAGE|* Hello! You are receiving this email because you have expressed interest in Debra Mann Music. > > unsubscribe from this list update subscription preferences ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 08:13:39 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: Lakota Thank you simon for the reality check on columbus. We have to get this holiday *changed, I tell my students at school, let's come to school Monday and take off Tuesday and celebrate the Indians (native Americans . . . which is the proper way to refer to the Indians? I am asking) I think that many of you on the list are natives in your body and/or soul. Who feels this? Every time they pave paradise and. . . "Paving over brave little parks. . . " ( that line breaks me) What kinds of experiences have made you feel this? It would be nice for a few of us to get together and try to sing and play it. It is so different. It is in my heart. . . . wow. Don't you hear the shrieking in the trees, the whimpering water No fracking in ny state , no fracking in arkansas, no fracking in china. . No fracking in Colorado, no fracking in the world. . (If I sound like a crazy person, it is because it has brought me to this. . . And perhaps I am) Smile (I do need some drugs, or maybe just some activism) (or both) Thank you joni, this song is amazing. I am Lakota Lakota! Looking at money man Diggin' the deadly quotas Out of balance Out of hand We want the land! Lay down the reeking ore Don't you hear the shrieking in the trees? Everywhere you touch the earth she's sore Every time you skin her all things weep Your money mocks us Restitution what good can it do? Kennelled in metered boxes Red dogs in debt to you I am Lakota! Lakota! Fighting among ourselves All we can say with one whole heart Is we won't sell No we'll never sell We want the land! The lonely coyote calls In the woodlands footprints of the deer In the barrooms poor drunk bastard falls In the courtrooms deaf ears sixty years You think we're sleeping but Quietly like rattlesnakes and stars We have seen the trampled rainbows In the smoke of cars I am Lakota Brave Sun pity me I am Lakota Broken Moon pity me I am Lakota Grave Shadows stretching Lakota Oh pity me I am Lakota Weak Grass pity me I am Lakota Faithful Rocks pity me I am Lakota Meek Standing water Lakota Oh pity me I am Lakota! Lakota! Standing on sacred land We never sold these Black Hills To the missile heads To the power plants We want the land! The bullet and the fence broke Lakota The black coats and the booze broke Lakota Courts that circumvent choke Lakota Nothing left to lose Tell me grandfather You spoke the fur and feather tongues Do you hear the whimpering waters When the tractors come? Sun pity me Mother earth Mother Moon pity me Father sky Father Shadows Stretching on the forest floor Mother earth Oh pity me Father sky Father Grass pity me Mother earth Mother Rocks pity me Father sky Father Water Standing in a wakan manner Mother earth Oh pity me "With one whole heart," Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:06:19 -0700 From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Martha Marlow - Big Yellow Taxi Thanks Melissa, that'd be great! Bob, in California road tripping. np: Joe Henry, "This afternoon" Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 12, 2013, at 11:54 PM, Melissa Gibbs wrote: > > Hi. I heard a young Sydney artist on my local ABC radio station this > morning sing a terrific version of Big Yellow Taxi. Her name is Martha > Marlow, she is just 19 years old and releasing her first EP shortly. > There's a strong Joni connection beyond her version of Big Yellow Taxi: her > debut EP was produced by Stu Hunter (Passenger, Katalyst, Julia Stone, Sia > and More) and mastered by Grammy award winner Helik Hadar (Joni Mitchell, > Tracey Chapman). Her Facebook page is here: > https://www.facebook.com/marthamarlowmusic. I've asked to get a recording > of Big Yellow Taxi, and when I do, I'll be sure to pass it onto Bob Mullero;? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 00:39:11 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: "Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now And Then" (Pt. 2-of-2) RE: "Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now And Then" When I first stopped by the offices of Delilah Films (NYC) representatives of CBC-TV (Canada) were just leaving. They viewed an early edit of the "Both Sides Now And Then" documentary, and were pleased with what they had seen. The film was then scheduled for broadcast. However, that was not to be. Once the film was completed, a copy was sent to Joni. Joni did Not like the film and did Not! approve it for broadcast. She did haver 'approval' rights, so that was that. (Susan Lacy would not make the same mistake) Having seen the film myself, I guess I can understand why. There was a definite 'Paint By Numbers' approach, and a lack of depth. The final, completed film was never actually submitted to the CBC and was never broadcast. I also think Joni felt that PBS and AMERICAN MASTERS would likely produce a better film. She was right. - - - - - - I'm not quite sure about the specifics of the arrangement, but I do know that while we were working with Stephanie Bennett (Delilah Films), Joel and I knew that all the misc. film elements, video footage and other information files were going to be transferred to PBS-AMERICAN MASTERS. Although some of the Delilah Films 'Interview' footage was used in WOMAN Of HEART And MIND, none of the "Both Sides Now And Then" documentary footage was used. WOMAN Of HEART And MIND was a complete, independent production. I do have certain 'I Wish' thoughts but overall, I think WOMAN Of HEART And MIND is a fine documentary worthy of its subject. - - - - - - "Both Sides Now And Then" is a dead issue. I don't expect it will ever be broadcast. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 12:16:07 -0400 From: Debra Pease Subject: Re: Columbus Day? That was a horrid tail. Not surprising how our government changes history. Ugh! On Oct 12, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Amen, Simon. And we all pretty much got f*cked over again by being given misinformation about Columbus and all those explorers. Not only was history class boring, it was also completely wrong. > > I follow The Oatmeal on Facebook and his comics are frequently very irreverant, kind of gross but funny as hell. Every so often, he does one that is serious, and this is one: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day > > I will admit I had never heard of Bartolome de las Casa either, so can't offer any opinion on that. > > For us in Canada, it's Thanksgiving weekend and we don't have anything to honour Columbus (which turns out to be a good thing.) > > > > > > On Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:23:24 AM, Debra Pease wrote: > Wow. Thanks for putting this insight together. So sad what the white man did to the native americans. > > On Oct 12, 2013, at 9:20 AM, simon@icu.com wrote: > > > October 12 > > > > > > The DISCOVERY > > > > In 1492 the natives discovered they were Indians, > > > > they discovered they lived in America, > > > > they discovered they were naked, > > > > they discovered there was sin, > > > > they discovered they owed obedience to a king and a queen > > > > from another world and a god from some other heaven, > > > > and this god had invented guilt and clothing > > > > and had ordered burned alive all who worshipped the sun and > > > > the moon and the earth and the rain that moistens it. > > > > > > > > > > andmoreagain, > > - - - - - - - - - > > simonM > > > > PS: Columbus, the Last! man to discover America, discovered he was lost. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:13:49 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: "Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now And Then" (Pt. 1-of-2) RE: An Older JMDL message from Michael Sentance asked > I was looking at some other Joni factoids when I came across this in the Chronology for 2000: > > Joni was interviewed by Stephanie Bennett for the unreleased > documentary film *Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now And Then*. > > What is this? Anyone know the story? There doesn't appear to be anything on IMDB. > - - - - - Michael, Perhaps I can help with a little information. Check out -2- articles in the JM.com Library at the following URL: Or you can DownLoad pdf.copies via HighTail at the following URL: Here's the message I sent to the JMDL. Please NOTE: Most of the 'Links' in this message, are Dead (ie: no longer active) From: simon@icu.com Subject: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 06:05:50 -0500 As some will recall, Joni signed a 3-film contract with Eagle Rock Entertainment, back in 1997 ('96?). The first film was "PAINTING WITH WORDS and MUSIC". Originally a 'Pay Per View' broadcast in the U.S., PWWAM was subsequently broadcast by CBC-TV (Canada), on commercial television in an edited form and also released on VideoTape, LaserDisc and DVD. Jim Johanson recently posted some information regarding a 3rd Film [THE WORD: (3/6/02)]. More about that below. - - - - - - Right now? Joni mitchell "BOTH SIDES NOW, and THEN" The 2nd film, tentatively scheduled for U.S. broadcast in Nov. 2002 by PBS as part of their truly exceptional series "American Masters" will have its initial broadcast, in Canada, On CBC-TV as part of their "Life and Times" series in *2 weeks* Tuesday, March 26 - 7:00 PM - Joni Mitchell - Part 1 Tuesday, April 2 - 7:00 PM - Joni Mitchell - Part 2 Joni mitchell has been called the most influential recording artist of the late 20th century. A rare, intimate look at a multi-award winning musician who is as private and reflective as the lyrics for which she is celebrated. Here's some information from the CBC-TV website. The sweep and drama of Canadian lives take pride of place in Life & Times. These biographies introduce us to the struggles, the triumphs and trials of real people and their true stories - each one a thread in the fabric of a nation, and the times in which we live. The series shows how individuals make history, not always through circumstances of their own choosing. We see that we are not the first generation to struggle with great moral issues. These are the stories that canadians can contribute to the great library: the memory of the world." Here's a little more information about the "Life And Times" series for the benefit of our non-Canadian members. ABOUT THE SHOW The triumphs, trials and true stories of dynamic Canadians are the focus of Life & Times, Canada's premier biography series hosted by award-winning novelist, playwright and actor Ann-Marie MacDonald. Life & Times is back for a sixth exciting season. Our line-up includes musical stars Bruce Cockburn, JONI MITCHELL and the Barenaked Ladies, the story of the Bata shoe empire, activist Maude Barlow, golf legend Moe Norman and the dean of Canadian TV journalism, our own Knowlton Nash. In honour of the 2002 Winter Olympics, Life & Times is profiling several distingushed olympic athletes, including hockey's hottest player Mario Lemieux, the inspiring story of curler Sandra Schmirler and figure skaters Toller Cranston and Elizabeth Manley. Join us Tuesdays at 7 p.m. On CBC TV for the compelling stories of these and other Canadians who have made an impact. Over the years, Life & Times has presented over 100 compelling profiles of such extraordinary Canadians as Tommy Douglas, Jim Carrey, Don Cherry, Mordecai Richler, Glenn Gould, the Dionne quintuplets, Mary Walsh and Margaret Trudeau-Kemper. Life & Times programmes have garnered numerous awards including four Geminis and multiple Hot Docs awards. Join host Ann-Marie MacDonald for intimate, hour-long biographies which reflect the true stories of Canadians. Each week a different story - one more thread in our country's fabric. Together a definitive family portrait. The two 1-hour programs will not be the Final word/version of this new documentary. Keep in mind that a 1-hr. program on 'Commercial' television usually contains 42-to-44 minutes of actual programming (per hour). On the other hand, the PBS/AMERICAN MASTERS version will time-out somewhere between 52-to-55 minutes (per hour). It's not yet clear whether the DVD Release will contain extra material (or not). As of this moment the 'Final' edit (for CBC-TV) is not yet complete, although a copy of the 1st hour was sent to Joni last week for her viewing pleasure (and approval). She'll probably get a preview of the 2nd hour later this week. Time is tight and the work continues. All things considered -- the March 26th broadcast deadline for the CBC-TV broadcast was somewhat unrealistic, but will be met. The producers' work will continue at a somewhat more relaxed pace preparing the final PBS/DVD edition. As for the film itself, the story is being told by the participants, primarily by Joni herself, using a variety of Interviews recorded at various times during her career. There is no narrator. The producers have interviewed a number of indiviauals including Elliott Roberts, David Geffen, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Neil Young as well as Joni's parents and JONI herself. (I think) they also spoke with Mr. Kratzman and i seem to recall Being told that they'd even located Ray Furse, an old high-school friend of Joni's. Y'all remember Ray? Don't ya?, his dad owned a Cadillac. The most recent interview (2 wks. Ago) was with Joel Bernstein. Joels' participation has been crucial. He's been there as photographer, and friend, guitar tech, eye-witness and participant, from the beginning. His knowledge and perception of Joni's music and her place within the overall context of the musical and cultural events of the times gives him a unique perspective not shared by many. And since he viewed the other interviews first, he was able to fill in some of the areas not addressed by others. It's surprising how late in the process (12-20-01) it was before the producers hooked up with him. Nonetheless, they'd done their homework and research very well, obtaining a variety of films, videos, photographs (especially Joels') articles and other memoribilia. A variety of items photographed or filmed were from my own collection, including the "Spirit Of The Forest Video", a rare little item that even Joel hadn't seen. I'm sure you'll all find it interesting. Every effort is being made to see to it that this is the definitive Video Documentary. - - - - - - And now - about the 2nd Film THE WORD - (3/6/02) Entertainment Weekly published a short article this week with a few new bits of information on Allison Anders' videotaping of the recent recording sessions for Joni's next CD, tentatively titled "The CIRCLE GAME" In addition to musicians such as Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter, who contributed to her last orchestral outing BOTH SIDES NOW, we can also expect to hear Ry Cooder, Billy Preston and possibly Neil Young, according to the EW article. "Some of it is material she did as a young girl, with a soprano voice and an acoustic guitar, now with an orchestra and an alto," says filmmaker Anders. "It's so interesting to hear these same songs with wisdom," she enthuses. "Not that she wasn't wise before, but it's like I thought I was on to something before, and now I know I am." Alas, one piece of important information nobody has mentioned yet is a release date. I'll let you know as soon as I hear anything. First reported in the LA Times late last year (scroll down this page to the newsblurb from 12/4/01 for information on that report), the CD will feature Joni performing with 77 members of the London Symphony Orchestra -- although the EW article sports a nostalgic picture of Joni holding an acoustic guitar. ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY ARTICLE ON ALISON ANDERS' DOCUMENTARY BTW: I do know that some of the recording sessions for the BOTH SIDES NOW album were filmed. More Later. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 09:29:27 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Columbus Day? "Walter Raleigh and Chris Columbus Come a-marching out of the waves And claim the beach and all concessions In the name of the suntan slaves..." - -----Original Message----- From: Victor Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 7:55 AM To: Subject: Re: Columbus Day? Did they discover Joni Mitchell? Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 12, 2013, at 9:20 AM, simon@icu.com wrote: > > October 12 > > > The DISCOVERY > > In 1492 the natives discovered they were Indians, > > they discovered they lived in America, > > they discovered they were naked, > > they discovered there was sin, > > they discovered they owed obedience to a king and a queen > > from another world and a god from some other heaven, > > and this god had invented guilt and clothing > > and had ordered burned alive all who worshipped the sun and > > the moon and the earth and the rain that moistens it. > > > > > andmoreagain, > - - - - - - - - - > simonM > > PS: Columbus, the Last! man to discover America, discovered he was lost. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 23:55:15 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Joni Guitars c Karma wrote > Subject: Joni guitar strings > > Would anyone know what brand/gauge guitar strings Joni favored during for her acoustic guitar work? > I've read recommendations for open tunings to wear heavier gauge but am not sure if Joni or her guitar > techs would have followed that. BTW, did Joni employ a regular guitar tech? > CC One member suggested that Joni might have used Nylon strings early in her career. There are several pictures of Joni playing what looks like a "00" Series 12-fret Martin guitar with a slotted head. The "00" Series is often used with nylon strings, but I really doubt Joni ever used nylon. However, once Joni rec'd her beloved Martin D28 (1966) it was steel strings all the way, all the time. Joel Bernstein is/was Joni's regular guitar technician. It was Joel handling Joni's guitars on her tours, in 1972, 1974, 1976, 1979, and 1983. If I remember correctly, there was one year when he trained another individual to handle for that role and Joel was just supposed to be the Tour Photographer. However that person wasn't up to the task, so Joel ended up with both jobs. Joel was the one who was up all night before Joni's performance at the New Orleans Jazz Festival in 1995. There were problems with the pre-sets and entering Joni's tunings into the Roland VG-8 guitar processor. - - - - - - Dave Blackburn wrote > Subject: Re: Joni guitar strings > > Joni claims to have weakness in her hands as a result of polio, and chose to explore tunings > rather than learn more chord shapes as the fingerings could be easier. Therefore I would guess > that she chose light guage strings even though they flap against the frets in dropped tunings. > Fred Walecki from L.A Music in Santa Monica was her guitar tech who helped her set up all her > instruments. It was he who sold off her five Ibanez GB10s on eBay, at her request, and a couple > of listers bought two of them. I think Joni's "weak left hand" is somewhat overstated. Early on in her career, she was quite good at finger-picking. In any event, the main reason she turned to alternate tunings was because of the musical variation they offered. It was like giving a painter a whole new palatte of colors. As stated above, Joel Bernstein, not Fred Walecki, was Joni's guitar tech. She did purchase a number of guitars from Westwood Music. Fred definitely set her up with the modified Stratocaster she originally used with the Roland VG-8 guitar processor, before switching to the Parker Fly guitar. In 2003 Westwood Music offered -3- of Joni's guitars for sale via auctions on eBay. The following statement was included with the eBay item description: As Mitchell explored jazzier sounds in the late '70s, she turned to electric guitars. From 1979 until the mid-'80s, she performed with five George Benson model Ibanez guitars, which were set up by Joel Bernstein and Larry Cragg with a range of string gauges to accommodate her tunings. At that time, the Roland Jazz Chorus amp--which was invented, Mitchell says, so she could replicate her Hejira sound in performance--was an important component of her live sound. --ACOUSTIC GUITAR, AUGUST 1996 NOTE: It's highly unlikely that Roland 'specifically designed' the Roland Jazz Chorus amp for Joni. One of these guitars was purchased by JMDL member Anita G. She in turn has become friends with Peter Carney, who bought the first of Joini's guitars auctioned on eBay. The serial numbers indicate that Peter's guitar was made in 1982 meaning it was used on Joni's 1983 World Tour. Joni clearly used this guitar a lot. There is tape on the side showing the tablature for "Sharon" and "Love", which was probably placed there by Joel Bernstein. Anita's guitar was manufactured in 1978 and therefore available for the 1979 Tour, as well as 1983. - - - - - - I SAVED the eBay auction pages as well as the pictures posted with each auction. If you're interested, you can DownLoad the "Joni_Guitars_eBay.zip" file via HighTail at the following URL: Perhaps some of you will find this interesting. - - - - - - re: Joel Bernstein and Larry Cragg - check out the following. andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simonM http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #393 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe