From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #381 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, October 4 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 381 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Girls Like Us [Bob Muller ] Re: Girls Like Us [Rick Hobbs-Seeley ] Re: Song For Sharon, Illustrated [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Song For Sharon, Illustrated [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: Girls Like Us [Gerald Kent ] NOT BAD! [donald.barthel@kodak.com] Relationships with Joni Mitchell [Raffaele Malanga ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:15:01 -0500 From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Girls Like Us Another Passenger- also my favorite. Produced by Ted Templeman and used the Doobie Brothers and Little Feat as the house bands - sweet. Back to Pazfest. Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 3, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > > I'm not a huge Carly fan, but have enjoyed some of her work. In fact, "Another Passenger" is my favourite album of hers (and the only one I bought). I can't remember why I bought it back when it came out. Maybe it was "In times when my head" or "It keeps you running", but my particular favourite is "He likes to roll" which isn't a deep song at all, but I like the guitar playing on it (Laurindo Almeida) and the beat. I have to agree with you about her later output though. Kinda blech to me. But hey! everyone's different! > > I enjoyed "Girls like us" although I had some difficulty in the beginning with the writer's style (but it grew on me.) Even though I was primarily interested in the Joni stuff, I also found the Carly and Carole stuff interesting. > > Right now I'm reading Graham Nash's book. Not impressed with that writing style at all, but I'm up for a little gossip from time to time and am more interested in the Joni parts, as I was never really a fan of the Hollies or CSNY (which is probably sacrilege to 90% of the people on this list, but there: I said it, so let the flames commence.) > > >> ________________________________ >> From: Rick Hobbs-Seeley >> To: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" >> Cc: Paul Ivice ; "joni@smoe.org" >> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 11:34:08 AM >> Subject: Re: Girls Like Us >> >> >> I've enjoyed this thread. The subjects of Girls Like Us mirrored three of my go to artists back in the day. I've had the book since it came out, but, it still sits on the shelf unread. >> >> I was a big Carly fan in her early period. Anticipation, No Secrets, Hot Cakes and especially Another Passenger are among my large list of favorite albums. It was probably Carly who moved me (officially) to Joni and Joni to Carole. Before these women, I was strictly a Bowie-Stones-Who genre devotee. >> >> To me, Carly offered whimsy (Fairweather Father, Older Sister) and frequently more frilly production on the same LP with her more sedate, serious works (Libby, At Times When My Head). The LP listening experience was a good balance to my ears. I've always enjoyed a little indulgent production and whimsy - that not being an adjective I'd use as frequently when describing Joni's music to a friend. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 08:34:08 -0700 From: Rick Hobbs-Seeley Subject: Re: Girls Like Us I've enjoyed this thread. The subjects of Girls Like Us mirrored three of my go to artists back in the day. I've had the book since it came out, but, it still sits on the shelf unread. I was a big Carly fan in her early period. Anticipation, No Secrets, Hot Cakes and especially Another Passenger are among my large list of favorite albums. It was probably Carly who moved me (officially) to Joni and Joni to Carole. Before these women, I was strictly a Bowie-Stones-Who genre devotee. To me, Carly offered whimsy (Fairweather Father, Older Sister) and frequently more frilly production on the same LP with her more sedate, serious works (Libby, At Times When My Head). The LP listening experience was a good balance to my ears. I've always enjoyed a little indulgent production and whimsy - that not being an adjective I'd use as frequently when describing Joni's music to a friend. Having said that, when Carly became Oscar worthy and Kennedy-esque, her output was lost on me. One of her latest offerings, The Bedroom Tapes, to me, was dismal. Although she was battling breast cancer which probably added to its darkness. Overall, I'm glad she's enjoyed so much success. I understand she is a sophisticated woman and devoted mother with a warm, caring spirit. No regrets. Coyote Rick PS: Y'all have fun in New Orleans. I'll be there in spirit. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 1, 2013, at 5:05 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: Firstly, I think Carly Simon is a good songwriter-singer who got a nice head start by being born into privilege. I have several of her records and have enjoyed them for some time. Having said that, it would be VERY difficult to compare Simon's artistic output with that of Laura Nyro, a unique and brilliant talent. Maybe if Colin were still here he could give it a shot. However, let us not forget that Girls Like Us was not merely about the songwriting/performing but also highlighted the lives of these performers with changing social mores of the times. Keeping THAT in mind, Laura would have been even a BETTER inclusion, based on her several marriages, having an interracial son out of wedlock, etc. She seemed to live her life on her own terms. I'm sure there are others here who can expand upon that. Laura is like Joni in that she didn't have a string of hits (as Carly did) but she articulated an artistic vision that spawned a rabid fan base and established a legacy of amazing songs. Bob From: Paul Ivice To: joni@smoe.org, Date: 09/30/2013 10:46 PM Subject: Girls Like Us Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org "I agree, Laura Nyro would have been much better." Several listers have made comments like the one above about how Laura Nyro would have been a better fit with Carole King and Joni Mitchell for "Girls Like Us" than Carly Simon, but none of them gave any reasons for this belief. I will try to articulate it. Carly came from a wealthy family and was a performer )with her sisters) long before she was a songwriter. Like Carole King and Joni Mitchell, Laura Nyro came from a more modest background and was writing songs performed by otherrs before she became a performer herself. Anyone else have any other thoughts on this? Paul Ivice ;>) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 08:05:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Song For Sharon, Illustrated I LOVE that video - sent it to the JMDL Facebook page some time ago, in fact. I like the ingenious way the illustrator always seems to have Joni blowing smoke of some kind. Bob From: Betsy Blue To: joni@smoe.org, Date: 09/30/2013 10:49 PM Subject: Song For Sharon, Illustrated Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org There are a few animations of Joni's songs on YouTube, but the comic book treatment of Song For Sharon really impressed me. There is a link to the illustrator's explanation of each of the 22 pages. YouTube.com/watch?v=X1UXqTDIfIY - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 10:30:51 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: Song For Sharon, Illustrated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1UXqTDIfIY Betsy, This is WONDERFUL! Thanks for sharing that.\ and hello to everyone on the list, I have not posted in a while but, but . . . you are in my heart. Marianne From: Betsy Blue Subject: Song For Sharon, Illustrated There are a few animations of Joni's songs on YouTube, but the comic book treatment of Song For Sharon really impressed me. There is a link to the illustrator's explanation of each of the 22 pages. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 09:34:13 -0400 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Girls Like Us Plus the extra ordinary relationship Laura had with David Geffen prior to his association with Joni and Cher. Actually, if I understand comments made by Geffen, he felt that Laura sort of "turned" on him. Anyone know more about that? Sent from my iPad > On Oct 1, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > Firstly, I think Carly Simon is a good songwriter-singer who got a nice > head start by being born into privilege. I have several of her records and > have enjoyed them for some time. Having said that, it would be VERY > difficult to compare Simon's artistic output with that of Laura Nyro, a > unique and brilliant talent. Maybe if Colin were still here he could give > it a shot. > > However, let us not forget that Girls Like Us was not merely about the > songwriting/performing but also highlighted the lives of these performers > with changing social mores of the times. Keeping THAT in mind, Laura would > have been even a BETTER inclusion, based on her several marriages, having > an interracial son out of wedlock, etc. She seemed to live her life on her > own terms. I'm sure there are others here who can expand upon that. > > Laura is like Joni in that she didn't have a string of hits (as Carly did) > but she articulated an artistic vision that spawned a rabid fan base and > established a legacy of amazing songs. > > Bob > > > > > From: Paul Ivice > To: joni@smoe.org, > Date: 09/30/2013 10:46 PM > Subject: Girls Like Us > Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > > > > "I agree, Laura Nyro would have been much better." > > Several listers have made comments like the one above about how Laura Nyro > would have been a better fit with Carole King and Joni Mitchell for "Girls > Like Us" than Carly Simon, but none of them gave any reasons for this > belief. > I will try to articulate it. > Carly came from a wealthy family and was a performer )with her sisters) > long > before she was a songwriter. > Like Carole King and Joni Mitchell, Laura Nyro came from a more modest > background and was writing songs performed by otherrs before she became a > performer herself. > Anyone else have any other thoughts on this? > > > Paul Ivice ;>) > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 13:41:10 -0400 From: donald.barthel@kodak.com Subject: NOT BAD! http://artery.wbur.org/2013/10/01/tierney-sutton Donald R. Barthel FPEG RFS FORMULATION Formulation Technician 585-477-7110 x77110 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 20:09:15 +0100 From: Raffaele Malanga Subject: Relationships with Joni Mitchell A rather nice article I just bumped into on the LA Times. Sorry if it has been posted already Raf http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-77576531/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 09:50:52 -0400 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: Girls Like Us Now that would make a good movie story line! Sent from my iPad > On Oct 1, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Anne Sandstrom wrote: > > In the PBS special on Geffen, he talked about it. Laura apparently signed with a different label, which miffed him no end. (at least that's what I recall) He felt that he'd really protected and nourished her, letting her express herself freely through her writing, rather than trying to insist she write hit songs. > > Lots of love, > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Kent > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:34 AM > To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Cc: Paul Ivice; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Girls Like Us > > Plus the extra ordinary relationship Laura had with David Geffen prior to his association with Joni and Cher. Actually, if I understand comments made by Geffen, he felt that Laura sort of "turned" on him. Anyone know more about that? > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 1, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >> >> Firstly, I think Carly Simon is a good songwriter-singer who got a >> nice head start by being born into privilege. I have several of her >> records and have enjoyed them for some time. Having said that, it >> would be VERY difficult to compare Simon's artistic output with that >> of Laura Nyro, a unique and brilliant talent. Maybe if Colin were >> still here he could give it a shot. >> >> However, let us not forget that Girls Like Us was not merely about the >> songwriting/performing but also highlighted the lives of these >> performers with changing social mores of the times. Keeping THAT in >> mind, Laura would have been even a BETTER inclusion, based on her >> several marriages, having an interracial son out of wedlock, etc. She >> seemed to live her life on her own terms. I'm sure there are others here who can expand upon that. >> >> Laura is like Joni in that she didn't have a string of hits (as Carly >> did) but she articulated an artistic vision that spawned a rabid fan >> base and established a legacy of amazing songs. >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> From: Paul Ivice >> To: joni@smoe.org, >> Date: 09/30/2013 10:46 PM >> Subject: Girls Like Us >> Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org >> >> >> >> "I agree, Laura Nyro would have been much better." >> >> Several listers have made comments like the one above about how Laura >> Nyro would have been a better fit with Carole King and Joni Mitchell >> for "Girls Like Us" than Carly Simon, but none of them gave any >> reasons for this belief. >> I will try to articulate it. >> Carly came from a wealthy family and was a performer )with her >> sisters) long before she was a songwriter. >> Like Carole King and Joni Mitchell, Laura Nyro came from a more modest >> background and was writing songs performed by otherrs before she >> became a performer herself. >> Anyone else have any other thoughts on this? >> >> >> Paul Ivice ;>) >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity >> to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >> business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby >> notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this >> message is prohibited. 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