From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #359 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, September 20 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 359 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- never was a cornflake girl [Betsy Blue ] International Coastal Cleanup ["Stebbing, David E." ] Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Joni guitar strings [c Karma ] Liner notes [Raffaele Malanga ] Re: Interview with Mike Gibbs [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni guitar strings [Dave Blackburn ] RE: New Library item: Joni Mitchell ["Susan E. McNamara" ] RE: McLintock! - Spanking Scene - YouTube ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Joni guitar strings [Dave Blackburn ] Re: never was a cornflake girl ["Cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 05:45:57 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: never was a cornflake girl What your taste in music says about you on a first date: http://www.howaboutwe.com/date-report/1610-what-your-taste-in-music-says-about-you-on-a-date/ Shari expected to read something more profound. I expected something more derisive. Making breakfast in the morning makes you sound like a nice, normal person who has it together. As opposed to people who like Bob Dylan and are assholes who don't know it. I found it ironic that we know Joni Mitchell did listen to Joni Mitchell on first dates, but she does not make breakfast in the morning. It's 8am somewhere? On a side note, what's with the whole seduction routine? She was a hot blonde, and most young men wouldn't have kicked her out of bed for eating crackers. Maybe throw in a couple of drinks for the married ones? I think she was trying to seduce guys into liking her music by offering romance and not vice versa. Many guys have pretended not to be annoyed by her so they can get laid. Betsy, who had a Weezer tape (!) in her car on her first date with her partner and rarely makes breakfast ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 11:32:09 -0400 From: "Stebbing, David E." Subject: International Coastal Cleanup Just a quick public service announcement about an annual environmental effort, which is coming up this weekend, in case anyone is interested. The Ocean Conservancy holds an international coastal cleanup every September. The date may vary slightly with the location (see links below for a location near you). From their website: Over the last 25 years, the Ocean Conservancy has been bringing together passionate ocean lovers and helping them contribute to a vision for trash free seas. *We mobilize the International Coastal Cleanup-the world's largest volunteer effort to clean up waterways and the ocean. This year's Cleanup will take place on September 21, 2013. *We research and share key details about what's trashing our ocean with the public, the scientific community and decision makers. *We prevent trash from entering the waters by working with everyone from individuals to businesses to change the behaviors that cause ocean trash. Everyone can play a role in the movement for trash free seas. The Ocean Conservancy is leading the way with practical, pragmatic solutions that: *Empower people. We lead a movement of people taking concrete actions every day to protect our ocean. 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Moss was there at the time though and could probably tell you more about it. http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2687 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:56:52 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell LOVED this article, then again I'm a sucker for the early pre-stardom stuff. In a word it was a HOOT. Bob Title: Joni Mitchell Publication: Hoot Folk Music Magazine Date: 1966.9.0 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2687 - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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CC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:26:41 +0100 From: Raffaele Malanga Subject: Liner notes Les, I have the physical Starbucks CD and can type the notes if nobody has them in digital form. Let me know Raf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:06:05 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Interview with Mike Gibbs Thanks so much to Dave for this wonderful interview. It was just what I needed on this hot afternoon after lunch and on a short break from preping for my latest gig at the Civic Theater New Orleans (check out our line up on civicnola.com For the PazFesters we should bring you all by to see this wonderful venue. For those of you in town On Oct 1-2 we will have The Black Crowes here Best Paz On Sep 17, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Les Irvin wrote: Thanks to Dave Blackburn, there is a new interview up on JoniMitchell.com with Mike Gibbs, the orchestrator of Parprika Plains. http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2686 Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 20:19:49 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni guitar strings Ah...I guess Fred was formerly at West L.A Music, now closed, and is today at Westwood Music. On Sep 19, 2013, at 6:32 PM, shadows and light wrote: > westwood music in west la and westwood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:55:40 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: New Library item: Joni Mitchell My opinion is, once she left Chuck, she was not a folkie anymore, and most of her songs were not folk. That's 1967, right? Plus by Clouds, her singing style was changing, and there could be no comparison to Joan Baez or any of the other folk singers. She called her singing voice in Clouds "nasal" during the TimesTalk at Luminato. It was also VERY interesting that she talked about the jazz musicians she met in Detroit. It seems she was very intrigued by the way they stole the "folk melodies and turned them into jazz riffs." She was a sponge and knew instinctively she could go wherever the muse led her. So cool. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:29 PM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: joni Subject: RE: New Library item: Joni Mitchell "I only hope that I never have to be categorized - just to feel that I am a musician (even though I can't read music)."> Yeah, I loved that quote too, Sue - sooooo prophetic for her to have said and for the writer to have caught back in 1966. Unfortunately, people categorize by nature I think...I love perusing ebay and seeing someone selling a copy of Mingus and describing it as "folk music". Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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McNamara > Cc: Catherine McKay ; Sharon Watkins ; "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:36:11 PM > Subject: Re: McLintock! - Spanking Scene - YouTube > > I remember a spanking a got one time back in the day..... oh sorry wrong > discussion list.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:32:52 -0700 From: shadows and light Subject: Re: Joni guitar strings westwood music in west la and westwood On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > Joni claims to have weakness in her hands as a result of polio, and chose > to explore tunings rather than learn more chord shapes as the fingerings > could be easier. Therefore I would guess that she chose light guage strings > even though they flap against the frets in dropped tunings. Fred Walecki > from L.A Music in Santa Monica was her guitar tech who helped her set up > all her instruments. It was he who sold off her five Ibanez GB10s on Ebay, > at her request, and a couple of listers bought two of them. > > String technology has come a long way since Joni's career. Coated strings > which have low squeak and corrosion, baritone sets that one could mix with > standard gauges to get proper tension in her hybrid tunings (some strings > dropped low and some closer to standard) and different metal combinations. > If she were performing now she'd probably love the improvements in strings > that have come along recently, not to mention pickups and their advances. > > Dave > > > On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:23 AM, c Karma wrote: > > > Would anyone know what brand/gauge guitar strings Joni favored during > for her > > acoustic guitar work? I know that brands do update their technology, > but her > > dreadnought was at work at least through TI. I've read recommendations > for > > open tunings to wear heavier gauge but am not sure if Joni or her guitar > techs > > would have followed that. BTW, did Joni employ a regular guitar tech? > I had > > read of some association with McCabe's shop in Santa Monica, but don't > know if > > she relied on them to tend her mounts. (Not sure if that sounds > right...) > > CC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:07:16 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: McLintock! - Spanking Scene - YouTube I seem to recall the Duke spanking Maureen O'Hara in the Quiet Man, too. Be that as it may, the excerpt from Graham's book reminded me of an excerpt from Patty Boyd's biography where they were describing that whole scene as children in a protective bubble ... cut off from reality by the enormity of their fame and the constant inflow of drugs and sex. Graham's writing style was pretty grade school, too. I'm sure I'll read it though, just because I'm afraid to miss something!! (INFANT!!) :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 5:54 PM To: Sharon Watkins; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: McLintock! - Spanking Scene - YouTube I'm likewise appalled by some of the comments under the video. What year are we in, again? I've got Graham's book (and Linda Ronstadt's) on order and they might even arrive today. I'm still curious to know what he has to say about his life and music and all that, but he has really lost a lot of points with me over that issue. It seems to me that in the old "I love Lucy" show, Rickie used to threaten to spank Lucy. Talk about infantilizing people. - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sharon Watkins > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 5:22:10 PM > Subject: McLintock! - Spanking Scene - YouTube > > Re: Graham spanking Joni. I find it interesting that in the same > decade, Hollywood glorified the same repugnant behavior when John > Wayne spanked Maureen O'Hara in McClintock. I wonder how many men who > viewed the movie took this as tacit permission to behave the same way. > > http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T12-qzPW9Gg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DT1 > 2-qzPW9Gg > > > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:00:20 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: The MITCHELL Mystique and Minnie Mouse Title: The MITCHELL Mystique and Minnie Mouse Publication: Hit Parader Date: 1970.1.0 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2685 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:15:45 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: New Library item: Joni Mitchell This article was so perfect for me just now. I am hot in the middle of learning Joni songs pre-1968 and any tidbit of information about what she was like in those days adds to my knowledge. I also enjoyed the article yesterday where the writer, insightfully, described the real differences between Joni and Joan Baez. Joni says when describing her writing process "Urge for Going came out clean on a piece of paper." Goosebumps. I also like this quote: ""I only hope that I never have to be categorized - just to feel that I am a musician (even though I can't read music)." That could have been a quote from Luminato last June!!! :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email:B sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:11 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: New Library item: Joni Mitchell Title: Joni Mitchell Publication: Hoot Folk Music Magazine Date: 1966.9.0 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2687 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:15:10 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Interview with Mike Gibbs I've been away from the list for quite some time now and just happened both to have caught up when Dave announced he was going to have his chat with Mike, and now just when it is posted up. That was a great read. I'm flattered to have had my questions posed to Mike, thanks Dave! Now I can put away that nagging question about the piano being the culprit for the "out of tune" issue. I don't really think it is an issue, for me anyway. The off-tone placed it solidly in dreamscape for me. I thought it was an intentional, ballsy choice back in 1977. The process is not so calculated, it seems. I wonder if Mike still has a copy of the charts....? Hmmmm. If so, all we'd need is a piano player. I know one we can call... Now that Joni is on a speaking tour of sorts, she could perform the poem during the 9 minute improv. That would be a unique entertainment, no? CC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:46:23 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni guitar strings Joni claims to have weakness in her hands as a result of polio, and chose to explore tunings rather than learn more chord shapes as the fingerings could be easier. Therefore I would guess that she chose light guage strings even though they flap against the frets in dropped tunings. Fred Walecki from L.A Music in Santa Monica was her guitar tech who helped her set up all her instruments. It was he who sold off her five Ibanez GB10s on Ebay, at her request, and a couple of listers bought two of them. String technology has come a long way since Joni's career. Coated strings which have low squeak and corrosion, baritone sets that one could mix with standard gauges to get proper tension in her hybrid tunings (some strings dropped low and some closer to standard) and different metal combinations. If she were performing now she'd probably love the improvements in strings that have come along recently, not to mention pickups and their advances. Dave On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:23 AM, c Karma wrote: > Would anyone know what brand/gauge guitar strings Joni favored during for her > acoustic guitar work? I know that brands do update their technology, but her > dreadnought was at work at least through TI. I've read recommendations for > open tunings to wear heavier gauge but am not sure if Joni or her guitar techs > would have followed that. BTW, did Joni employ a regular guitar tech? I had > read of some association with McCabe's shop in Santa Monica, but don't know if > she relied on them to tend her mounts. (Not sure if that sounds right...) > CC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 23:46:00 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: never was a cornflake girl I always hung with the raisin girls!! LOL Warmly, Cassy - -----Original Message----- From: Betsy Blue Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:45 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: never was a cornflake girl What your taste in music says about you on a first date: http://www.howaboutwe.com/date-report/1610-what-your-taste-in-music-says-about-you-on-a-date/ Shari expected to read something more profound. I expected something more derisive. Making breakfast in the morning makes you sound like a nice, normal person who has it together. As opposed to people who like Bob Dylan and are assholes who don't know it. I found it ironic that we know Joni Mitchell did listen to Joni Mitchell on first dates, but she does not make breakfast in the morning. It's 8am somewhere? On a side note, what's with the whole seduction routine? She was a hot blonde, and most young men wouldn't have kicked her out of bed for eating crackers. Maybe throw in a couple of drinks for the married ones? I think she was trying to seduce guys into liking her music by offering romance and not vice versa. Many guys have pretended not to be annoyed by her so they can get laid. Betsy, who had a Weezer tape (!) in her car on her first date with her partner and rarely makes breakfast ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #359 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe