From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #302 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, August 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 302 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- resending my favorites ["Stebbing, David E." ] Re: bigotry in Saskatchewan/Memphis [Clint Norwood ] Re: Joni musings [Clint Norwood ] my favorites ["Stebbing, David E." ] Re: Joni musings [Clint Norwood ] Re: Now all this crap [Anita ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1098--weighing the crap of life can be endless [Ba] Re: Ofey [Dave Blackburn ] Owls and ballet [Anita ] Re: ACOY 2000 on NPR [Moni Kellermann ] Re: Ofey ["David J. Phillips" ] Re: Now all this crap [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: bigotry in Saskatchewan [Catherine McKay ] RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #1102 ["Stebbing, David E." ] Re: Ofey [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1102 [Shari Eaton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 07:05:16 -0400 From: "Stebbing, David E." Subject: resending my favorites Resending this (still finding my way here). I've enjoyed Joni Mitchell's music for a long time, but discovered it only slowly, over decades, and there are still whole albums (her later work) that I haven't heard at all yet. I like a lot of her songs, and I know that everyone has their favorites. Here are two of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1QNetpN5oc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-zSeDn9Y-k I suspect she's something of a genius and a tortured soul. She writes some of the most eloquent music I have heard anywhere, and in my opinion, she is the greatest singer/songwriter in popular music in the English-speaking world in the last 60 years, or maybe ever. ********************************************************************** U.S. Treasury Circular 230 Notice: Any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (a) avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the Internal Revenue Code or by any other applicable tax authority; or (b) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matter addressed herein. We provide this disclosure on all outbound e-mails to assure compliance with new standards of professional practice, pursuant to which certain tax advice must satisfy requirements as to form and substance. ************************************************************************ ************************************************************************ This electronic mail transmission may contain confidential or privileged information. If you believe you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing it. ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 07:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: bigotry in Saskatchewan/Memphis These discussions, while only happening on the Joni newsgroup are just great. It is talk like this that would help these situations but as we see talks like this are all too rare. I am from Memphis, Tennessee and I can tell you that racism is very alive here in 2013. Of course I wouldn't say that it is as bad as in 1950 or before but you would be surprised at how many white people here in the area still can countenance being in the same place with groups of black people. I still live in my old inner-city neighborhood where I am quite the minority but I still chafe at seeing lots of black teenagers hanging around. I still think in the back of my mind that the mean black lady at the DMV is going to treat me badly because she has a scowl on her face. There is racism all around and developers are constantly bulldozing surrounding forests for suburban hoods for white people to live in so they can get back to the 1950's. The black people always follow and the pattern repeats itself. I have been to city council meetings where representatives told me to my face they "don't help crackas" like me. I have been beaten up by gangs of black kids (jumpers) when I was younger. I have seen my own family get weird when I brought black friends to parties. I could go on but you get the picture. I get very stuck on "Furry Sings the Blues" because, as a native I know that we have a lot of racist history but also a lot of beautiful architecture and neighborhoods that we used to have but lost due to this racism. Beale Street isn't much of what it used to be because when MLK was shot and there were riots, white people simply didn't go downtown any more. That has changed many years later but there is no real remnants of the good part of our past here in 2013. Beale Street, while having good music still is only a shell which I call Bluesneyland sponsored by Budweiser!! I suppose that is more of an American marketing everywhere problem thing but my heart has always been heavy about how easily people will give up their neighborhoods just because a couple of black folks moved in. This is what we are America to a far greater extent than Canada. Or so I think? - -Clint ________________________________ From: Anita To: Kate Johnson Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:29 PM Subject: Re: bigotry in Saskatchewan Kate, I think your writing is courageous because it challenges us all to look at our own internalised racism. The issue that hits me in the face in middle England is our current attitudes to gypsies. A more derided or despised group of people it would be hard to find. I am a little informed about their position because my partner,Steph, led the inclusion course at a local university. She would talk about including people with disabilities, issues for gays and lesbians, issues that black kids face, being sensitive to the variety of Asian cultures etc. However, the lecture Steph would personally feel under attack and where the vitriol and hatred would erupt most was about including travellers and gypsies. They were ALL filthy, dirty people who would rob you of everything. At the end of one lecture about six years ago, she was approached by a young student teacher who asked to speak with her and told Steph that she was a gypsy. The young gypsy never told anyone else about her life for fear of being hated in all four years of her training, but she took Steph and I to great traveller fairs where we were able to share in her experience of not being served in pubs and being asked to leave a restaurant, as it was assumed we were travellers. Although as lesbians we have had a fair amount of abuse over the past thirty years, we are able to pass as middle class white straight women. I have experienced that as a great relief several times in my life. Not so easy to duck under the radar for many other "minority" groups. Anita On 30 Jul 2013, at 17:17, Kate Johnson wrote: > There is still terrible racism (particularly when it comes to the First > Nations) in this entire province, though we white people refuse to admit it. > Not only do we not WANT to see it in ourselves; it appears we CAN'T. Our good > intentions surely do not match with our bigotry, which is deep-down, built in. > We may think one way on the surface, but our automatic responses seem to come > from social attitudes that are quite different and deeply ingrained. > > We think we are just being "realistic" when we describe "Indians" as lazy, or > thieves, or drunks, or wife-beaters, or parents who don't take good care of > their children. But we DO think these things, in spite of knowing that they > can't possibly be true of every First Nations person, and knowing (alas, many > don't: they will still say, quite self-righteously, that First Nations people > bring these problems upon themselves and that if they would just be "more like > us" their lives would be just as comfy) that the huge social problems of First > Nations communities spring from government (and civilian; let's not kid > ourselves) actions and attitudes generations ago that are still affecting them > in the present. > > I don't know how things are in the city where you live, Rob, where there is a > high First Nations population, but where I live, I see informal segregation. > First Nations kids come to the schools in town, so you'd think "we" and "they" > would mix naturally; but no. When "we" go to a concert or community event, > there are NO First Nations people there. They do not work in the businesses in > town either, and because they have such a reputation for wrecking houses, many > landlords don't advertise vacancies publicly (because they can't legally > refuse to house a First Nations person), but instead advertise only by word of > mouth so it's easier for them to pick and choose their tenants. > > And whenever you read an RCMP (that's Canada's national police force) report > in the paper, the perpetrator of the crime almost invariably has a First > Nations surname. When you hear about a home break-in or a knifing or murder in > Saskatoon, it's often the same. It's no wonder white people have these bigoted > attitudes toward Native people, perhaps ... because people don't tend to look > too deeply behind these things, to the causes of these social problems. We > sure as hell don't take any responsibility for them. WE didn't do it; our > PARENTS didn't do it; our GRANDPARENTS didn't steal the First Nations land; it > was the GUMMINT!! But it was our grandparents, great-grandparents, etc, and by > extension US, who benefited from that theft and those terrible laws that were > made for the benefit of white settlers, to the detriment of the culture of the > First Nations. > > Bigoted people rarely admit they are bigoted. We think we are better than > that. And we want to be. But the prejudice IS there; we just don't see it in > ourselves. This is probably why folks are so pissed off about what Joni said. > > It's a very big subject and could use a lot more examination, that's for sure. > > Re the smalldeadanimals webpage: ugh. An embarrassment. Always has been. > > Kate in Saskatchewan > > > b?b > 1b.b?b > 1b.b?b > 1b. > Stubblejumpin'Gal > http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 07:22:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: Joni musings It kinds of makes me wonder several things to myself when I read things like this. I always had a romantic view of Canada mostly because of the way you guys have had health care for so long and bands like Rush (lyrics!! if you don't like the music) came from there. Lately though when I see these boards (racist issues) and I see the large amount of poisoning of both the environment and our collective subconscious by corporations/power structure it makes me stop and think more realistically. I have a few ideas about why large groups of Native and African Americans are struggling in OUR kind of society and why so many white people are on meds to deal with depression in such a supposedly "Great" society. 1. Humans weren't meant to constantly think of themselves as "marketable" widgets in order to support themselves and their families. 2. African and Native Americans en mass cannot enjoy the fruits of this kind of culture as easily as whites so they see are even more depressed. 3. Corporations always poison the environment more readily in minority areas. 4. People at the top LOVE racism (corporations own all the mass media constantly blowing up stories about it) because it keeps those of us at the bottom fighting amongst ourselves and unable to mobilize. Call me a hippie ;) - -Clint ________________________________ From: Catherine McKay To: Anita Cc: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Joni musings I'm not sure if the notion of people not knowing how to honour was strictly aimed at Canadians, but it could easily be. I also didn't realize that Joni was so involved in First Nations issues. I knew that she has been in the past and, if she still is, I'm happy to hear that. Goodness knows, despite there being more press in recent years about native peoples' issues, there is still not enough attention paid to them. It would be nice if Joni would speak out on their behalf but, better still, it would be great to see her teaming up with someone like Buffy Sainte-Marie. I just finished reading a biography about Buffy called "It's my way" - a great read. Buffy is an activist for native rights and she puts her money where her mouth is. She started an educational project years ago called Cradleboard that provides multimedia teaching resources about native life (http://www.cradleboard.org) as well as singing about native rights and human rights generally. I read those articles about the nutritional experiments. Some people believe it wasn't like that but, having read about the experiments on black men in Tuskegee from the 30s to, believe it or not, the 70s, and having read the book "The immortal life of Henrietta Lacks," and knowing (thanks to Joni) about the Magdelene Laundries, I can absolutely believe that this was done. It seems that experimenting on or taking advantage of poor and disadvantaged people without their knowledge or permission, supposedly in the name of some higher authority - science or religion, was commonplace not so long ago. For all we know, some of it may still be going on. Joni says: Uranium money Is booming in the old home town now It's putting up sleek concrete Tearing the old landmarks down now Paving over brave little parks Ripping off Indian land again How long how long Short sighted business men In "No, no, Kegagesh,"(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7EYXnLLWZ8) Buffy says: These old men they make their dirty deals. Go in the back room and see what they can steal. Talk about your beautiful and spacious skies. It's about uranium; it's about the water rights. - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anita > To: Catherine McKay > Cc: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 1:53:39 PM > Subject: Re: Joni musings > > Cath, I did wonder if Joni's references to the notion of honour have been > influenced by her association with First People. Wab Kinew, Director of > Indigenous Inclusion, the University of Winnipeg - (quoted in the Huffington > Post just this July 25th )contained this, which is about nutritional > experiments First People were subjected to. > > 'Yet I know the hurt from these recent revelations is not limited to the > Indigenous community. I know many Canadians from other walks of life who have > been upset by the news and and are contemplating what it says about this > country's history. For me, the more important question is "what will > our > response say about what Canada is today?"Some friends and I have put out a > call to Canadians to shed some of this negativity by uniting across cultural > and religious lines. We are calling our gatherings (to be held today at noon) > "Honour The Apology," in reference to Prime Minister Harper's 2008 > apology to > Residential School survivors. The idea is that we can each honour the apology > on an individual level by commemorating or praying for the survivors.' > > I wondered if Joni's friends have been talking recently and feel that this > Apology has not been properly honoured in Canada. Maybe it's in her mind > that > Canadians don't know how to honour as a result. > That's my musing! > Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:56:03 -0400 From: "Stebbing, David E." Subject: my favorites I've enjoyed Joni Mitchell's music for a long time, but discovered it only slowly, over decades, and there are still whole albums (her later work) that I haven't heard at all yet. I like a lot of her songs, and I know that everyone has their favorites. Here are two of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1QNetpN5oc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-zSeDn9Y-k I suspect she's something of a genius and a tortured soul. She writes some of the most eloquent music I have heard anywhere, and in my opinion, she is the greatest singer/songwriter in popular music in the English-speaking world in the last 60 years, or maybe ever. ********************************************************************** U.S. Treasury Circular 230 Notice: Any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (a) avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the Internal Revenue Code or by any other applicable tax authority; or (b) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matter addressed herein. We provide this disclosure on all outbound e-mails to assure compliance with new standards of professional practice, pursuant to which certain tax advice must satisfy requirements as to form and substance. ************************************************************************ ************************************************************************ This electronic mail transmission may contain confidential or privileged information. If you believe you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing it. ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 07:50:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: Joni musings I do try very hard not to misunderstand other people's points and really try to understand the force that my own subjectivity has in my understanding. When I hear Joni say that "Honour" died in WWII I understand COMPLETELY what she is trying to say even though she is speaking out of anger. I'm glad Joni doesn't have a PA or a PR person. That is exactly what she is talking about. No one can be frank anymore. Everyone has to have a pre-written speech to deliver lest they say something untoward. It is not worth listening to what any politician or public figure has to say these days because none of it is from the heart. When she speaks of honour what I think she is saying is that it is hard to find many people that will do something right just for it's own sake. So many people have the philosophy that they will withstand some or a lot of dishonour (insert for example your local ambulance chasing attorney here) in order to get paid. Its all about getting paid these days. Our culture doesn't remind us much that we will die one day and people will be judged on how honourable they were not how much money they made or how big their house was. That is honour and though it is a bit subjective to mark a date (WWII) when it died she is right in saying that it isn't a strong suit of our mindless consumer culture. ________________________________ From: Anita To: Catherine McKay Cc: Mary Morris ; JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:15 AM Subject: Re: Joni musings On 27 Jul 2013, at 18:17, Catherine McKay "As far as people not understanding her, I don't see how anyone could be expected to read between the lines and understand the points she was trying to make" Cat, don't you think most of us hope that folk will 'get' what we're saying without explanation? I know I do. What seems totally sensible in my world view I realise is insanity to others - particularly personal politics. I often think that my posts to JMDL are clearly outlining my ideas, but then I realise they're not.(though sometimes I do) I think you're right about Joni probably needing a PA - because being in the public eye is so full of bits being taken out of context, misrepresented etc. Yet I'm quite glad she calls things as she sees them. You see, even here in this email my own position shifts and I experience my contradictions! Oh how hard it must be to know people expect you to get your words right, to not be contradictory and to convey the meaning you intend all the time. Especially as you get older, words are harder to locate and things seem less and less certain. Mind you, Joni seems to be very certain.....see more contradictions again, Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:03:02 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Now all this crap Yes, you are so right, Victor. Black, white, dark, light, positive, negative, good,bad, wave, particle, crap or perfect? All part of the whole. It may be difficult, but well worth seeing what emerges by staying with the discomfort. Anita On 31 Jul 2013, at 02:12, Stdoherty wrote: > Now there's a good spin on it ... and of course you're absolutely right! You > split tongued devil you. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Victor Johnson > To: Stdoherty > Cc: joni > Sent: Tue, Jul 30, 2013 6:37 pm > Subject: Now all this crap > > > Seems perfect though, capturing the duality of everything, which is certainly > always part of anything concerning Joni Mitchell. > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 30, 2013, Stdoherty wrote: > It was cool for a while to have so much activity on the digest. So much > positive press, Joni laughing, great tunes and well deserved accolades for > the queen. And now all this crap. Wish it would go away. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:40:35 -0400 (EDT) From: BarbaRent7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1098--weighing the crap of life can be endless To Mr. Victor; Consider any site like the shore and how sometimes the waves get higher and recess back. When we all share news we find about our Joni, it will be great and then small. Luckily the news about me in the news is quite small...all the better! Peace to all, The unknown Calamity Babs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 09:27:44 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Ofey I love that pithy little word choice too. It may have slang connotations of "twee" or "gay" but my dictionary says: Adjective; "giving an impression of vague unworldliness" which seems perfectly apt for what Joni might have felt so far out of her element in Furry's home. I don't know if a double entendre with "ofey" was meant but it is clever to think so. Dave On Aug 1, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Clint Norwood wrote: > Has anyone really noticed this great use of the word "fey" here. > > "I'm rich and I'm fey" > > That is a word not used much in the mainstream but I have to hand it to Joni. First for calling herself that because it takes a lot of guts to look at yourself squarely, and secondly because it is a word not used by white people. My dad who works in a place where 99% of people are black said he asked a friend of his if he'd ever heard of the word "fey" or "ofey." The guy wouldn't talk about it and walked away. > > Now I think of that word when I do contract work and some white executive says, "You seen the new strip mall down there? It has a Chipotle, a Starbucks, a Target and a Genghis Grill. It's great!!" > > Ofey. > > Joni was not the only black guy at the party but it seems that she tried really hard to see her own limited point of view for what it was. I appreciate that. > > -Clint ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 01:44:33 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Owls and ballet Having just been awoken from my slumber by two owls screeching (rather wonderful after neighbours hacked down the tree where they nested whilst we were at Ruby Lake), it led me to think more things Joni and remembered that tickets for the ballet go on sale later today. Goodness me, the owl is SO close, you wouldn't believe it. Happy Days. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:52:50 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: ACOY 2000 on NPR Am 31.07.2013 02:27, Wie Betsy Blue so vortrefflich formulierte: > I just heard some of Joni's A Case of You, from the Both Sides Now album, > on the In Your Ear segment of Tell Me More. The guest was an author named > Benjamin something. The other two selections were Adele's Set Fire to the > Rain and The Beatles' Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da. > > Anyone else catch this? After hearing his musical taste, I would like to > check out his writing. He had me at "I love Joni Mitchell." > > Betsy > transcript: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=206980909 moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 17:06:34 +0200 From: "David J. Phillips" Subject: Re: Ofey following up on my previous post without quoting it. I see now, though the online slang dictionary, that "ofay" means white folks, or crackers, or suchlike. I'm yet again amazed by Join's ability to pack so much into a lyric. djp On 01/08/13 16:5753, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Hi Clint, > > Years ago we had a lengthy discussion on the word "fey". Wally K started > it, I believe, with just a simple question asking what the word meant. It > went on for days - that was, of course, when there were fewer choices for > discussion groups on the net. > > Bob > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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So much positive press, Joni laughing, great tunes and well deserved accolades for the queen. And now all this crap. Wish it would go away. - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 13:03:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: bigotry in Saskatchewan Let me add my voice to what Anita has said: Kate, you have expressed very well how people are and how they (we) feel. My personal experience with natives here has been that most of the ones I've seen here in Toronto fit the stereotypical mold of being drunks sitting out on the streets, sometimes being rowdy, but often sleeping on the concrete. I'm glad to have worked with a lovely young woman who is native (or half - she is half native and half French Canadian), so that I know that the stereotypes I've seen on the street are only a minority. I've also met native people through work who do not fit that stereotype but that stereotype is something that a lot of white Canadians - at least those of us who live in the city - see. For many of us, natives are people who live "way up there somewhere," so, out of sight, out of mind. For others, they figure native people should just "get over it" (the past, that is.) Getting back to the Buffy Sainte-Marie biography that I read recently, she was adopted at a very young age by a white family. At least, her adoptive father was white but her mother had some native blood. She didn't realize she was different until she got a bit older and, when her mother told her she was "Indian," she was amazed, because she thought all the "Indians" had died and were just something you read about in stories. There is also hatred towards gypsies here, although most of them are relative newcomers. As well, white people here often tend to stereotype young black men as *all* being gangster types, although those people are a small minority who make the news because they shoot someone, or are shot by someone. And anyone who is an immigrant, or particularly a non-white immigrant, is viewed as a threat by some white people, who are afraid they will "take our jobs" or that we are doing too much to accomodate them and that they should just "act like us." What they forget is that, in a country like Canada, we are all immigrants. - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anita > To: Kate Johnson > Cc: "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:29:11 PM > Subject: Re: bigotry in Saskatchewan > > Kate, I think your writing is courageous because it challenges us all to look at > our own internalised racism. The issue that hits me in the face in middle > England is our current attitudes to gypsies. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:00:30 -0400 From: "Stebbing, David E." Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #1102 Thanks very much Bob and Simon for your answers and Anita for your welcome! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:28 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1102 JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 31 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1102 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: siquomb [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:26:58 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: siquomb Hi folks! Please forgive a trivial question from this beginner, but what is SIQUOMB?> Hi David, and welcome to the JMDL. It's not a trivial question, it's probably the first one that most of us have when we sign up. The fast answer is that it stands for "She is Queen Indisputably of Mind Beauty". Back in Joni's early creative phase, she concocted a mythical story setting which featured some of these made up sorts of words, like POSALL - perhaps our souls are little ladies MOSALM - maybe our souls are little men and so on. SIQUOMB was the ruler of the land, or some such as that. She talks about it in some of the earliest interviews she participated in. So, now that you're among us, feel free to take a moment to give us an intro to YOU. Bob - - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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In high school we had a very good & passionate teacher of English lit & learned of the word then. It's usage is pretty British & very old. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:38:55 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1118 > > > JMDL Digest Thursday, August 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1118 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Ofey [Clint Norwood ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 07:35:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Clint Norwood > Subject: Ofey > > Has anyone really noticed this great use of the word "fey" here. > > "I'm rich and I'm fey" > > That is a word not used much in the mainstream but I have to hand it to Joni. First for calling herself that because it takes a lot of guts to look at yourself squarely, and secondly because it is a word not used by white people. My dad who works in a place where 99% of people are black said he asked a friend of his if he'd ever heard of the word "fey" or "ofey." The guy wouldn't talk about it and walked away. > > Now I think of that word when I do contract work and some white executive says, "You seen the new strip mall down there? It has a Chipotle, a Starbucks, a Target and a Genghis Grill. It's great!!" > > Ofey. > > Joni was not the only black guy at the party but it seems that she tried really hard to see her own limited point of view for what it was. I appreciate that. > > - -Clint > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1118 > ****************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:57:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Ofey Hi Clint, Years ago we had a lengthy discussion on the word "fey". Wally K started it, I believe, with just a simple question asking what the word meant. It went on for days - that was, of course, when there were fewer choices for discussion groups on the net. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Shari On Jul 31, 2013, at 12:00 PM, "Stebbing, David E." wrote: > Thanks very much Bob and Simon for your answers and Anita for your welcome! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:28 AM > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #1102 > > > > > > JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 31 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 1102 > > > > > > > > ========== > > > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > > -------- > > Re: siquomb [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:26:58 -0400 > > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > > Subject: Re: siquomb > > > > Hi folks! Please forgive a trivial question from this beginner, but what is > SIQUOMB?> > > > > Hi David, and welcome to the JMDL. It's not a trivial question, it's probably > the first one that most of us have when we sign up. The fast answer is that it > stands for "She is Queen Indisputably of Mind Beauty". > > Back in Joni's early creative phase, she concocted a mythical story setting > which featured some of these made up sorts of words, like > > > > POSALL - perhaps our souls are little ladies MOSALM - maybe our souls are > little men > > > > and so on. SIQUOMB was the ruler of the land, or some such as that. She talks > about it in some of the earliest interviews she participated in. > > > > So, now that you're among us, feel free to take a moment to give us an intro > to YOU. > > > > Bob > > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which > it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or > privileged material. > > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified > that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, > reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. > If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. > > > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may > not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #1102 > > ****************************** > > > > ------- > > To post messages to the list, > sendtojoni@smoe.org. > > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > > ------- > ********************************************************************** > U.S. Treasury Circular 230 Notice: Any tax advice contained in this > communication > (including any attachments) was not intended or written to be used, > and cannot be used, for the purpose of (a) avoiding penalties that may be > imposed under the Internal Revenue > Code or by any other applicable tax authority; or (b) promoting, marketing or > recommending to another party any tax-related matter addressed herein. 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