From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #298 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, July 30 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 298 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Mike Gibbs [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni musings [Anita ] Mike Gibbs [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Mike Gibbs [Michael Paz ] Cambridge Folk Festival [Jonathan Edward Lowe ] Re: Joni musings [Catherine McKay ] Painting with too broad a brush & Sinead O-Conner/Magdalene [est86mlm@ame] New Library item: Premiers, mayor weigh in on Joni Mitchell controversy [] Re: Joni musings [Anita G ] New Library item: Joni Mitchell and Buddhism [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:08:35 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Mike Gibbs Wow, that's exciting and I can't think of a better person to do the interview. I guess the only question I'd think of is regarding the length of the track - unless you were Yes, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, or the Allman Brothers, a track that took up an entire album side was pretty rare - I mean, there was Alice's Restaurant in the singer/songwriter genre, but still, pretty uncommon. I would think you could just let him ramble and take it all in. Looking forward to hearing memories of THOSE sessions. What NOT to ask: Are you one of The Bee Gees? Bob From: Dave Blackburn To: JMDL JMDL Date: 07/30/2013 10:39 AM Subject: Mike Gibbs Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Woohoo, I just got in touch with Mike Gibbs, the orchestrator on DJRD, and asked him if he'd like to share any memories or stories of working with Joni and he wrote back and gave me his phone number. Soany suggestions of questions I might ask him? As yet all I know is he orchestrated Paprika Plains and Off Night Backstreet but nothing more. 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Maybe her inflluence is even deeper. At Ruby Lake, there were a couple of First People with Joni who carried her 'herbs'. (known as death sticks in my house after my Mum died from illness that was smoking related). Experimentation on poor people is an outrage - but fairly common in many cultures for sure. Anita On 29 Jul 2013, at 23:34, Catherine McKay wrote: > I'm not sure if the notion of people not knowing how to honour was strictly aimed at Canadians, but it could easily be. I also didn't realize that Joni was so involved in First Nations issues. I knew that she has been in the past and, if she still is, I'm happy to hear that. Goodness knows, despite there being more press in recent years about native peoples' issues, there is still not enough attention paid to them. It would be nice if Joni would speak out on their behalf but, better still, it would be great to see her teaming up with someone like Buffy Sainte-Marie. I just finished reading a biography about Buffy called "It's my way" - a great read. Buffy is an activist for native rights and she puts her money where her mouth is. She started an educational project years ago called Cradleboard that provides multimedia teaching resources about native life (http://www.cradleboard.org) as well as singing about native rights and human rights generally. > > I read those articles about the nutritional experiments. Some people believe it wasn't like that but, having read about the experiments on black men in Tuskegee from the 30s to, believe it or not, the 70s, and having read the book "The immortal life of Henrietta Lacks," and knowing (thanks to Joni) about the Magdelene Laundries, I can absolutely believe that this was done. It seems that experimenting on or taking advantage of poor and disadvantaged people without their knowledge or permission, supposedly in the name of some higher authority - science or religion, was commonplace not so long ago. For all we know, some of it may still be going on. > > Joni says: > Uranium money > Is booming in the old home town now > It's putting up sleek concrete > Tearing the old landmarks down now > Paving over brave little parks > Ripping off Indian land again > How long how long > Short sighted business men > > > In "No, no, Kegagesh,"(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7EYXnLLWZ8) Buffy says: > These old men they make their dirty deals. > Go in the back room and see what they can steal. > Talk about your beautiful and spacious skies. > It's about uranium; it's about the water rights. > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anita >> To: Catherine McKay >> Cc: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST >> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 1:53:39 PM >> Subject: Re: Joni musings >> >> Cath, I did wonder if Joni's references to the notion of honour have been >> influenced by her association with First People. Wab Kinew, Director of >> Indigenous Inclusion, the University of Winnipeg - (quoted in the Huffington >> Post just this July 25th )contained this, which is about nutritional >> experiments First People were subjected to. >> >> 'Yet I know the hurt from these recent revelations is not limited to the >> Indigenous community. I know many Canadians from other walks of life who have >> been upset by the news and and are contemplating what it says about this >> country's history. For me, the more important question is "what will >> our >> response say about what Canada is today?"Some friends and I have put out a >> call to Canadians to shed some of this negativity by uniting across cultural >> and religious lines. We are calling our gatherings (to be held today at noon) >> "Honour The Apology," in reference to Prime Minister Harper's 2008 >> apology to >> Residential School survivors. The idea is that we can each honour the apology >> on an individual level by commemorating or praying for the survivors.' >> >> I wondered if Joni's friends have been talking recently and feel that this >> Apology has not been properly honoured in Canada. Maybe it's in her mind >> that >> Canadians don't know how to honour as a result. >> That's my musing! >> Anita ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 07:30:53 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Mike Gibbs Woohoo, I just got in touch with Mike Gibbs, the orchestrator on DJRD, and asked him if he'd like to share any memories or stories of working with Joni and he wrote back and gave me his phone number. Soany suggestions of questions I might ask him? As yet all I know is he orchestrated Paprika Plains and Off Night Backstreet but nothing more. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:39:05 -0400 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Mike Gibbs Tres cool! I hope you have a nice chat. I like to hear his thoughts on working with Jaco and what he was like creatively in the studio. Was he abusing drugs heavily by this time? Paz (in the Sky Club in ATL) On Jul 30, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: Woohoo, I just got in touch with Mike Gibbs, the orchestrator on DJRD, and asked him if he'd like to share any memories or stories of working with Joni and he wrote back and gave me his phone number. Soany suggestions of questions I might ask him? As yet all I know is he orchestrated Paprika Plains and Off Night Backstreet but nothing more. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:37:42 +0200 From: Jonathan Edward Lowe Subject: Cambridge Folk Festival I just spent 4 great days at the Cambridge (UK) Folk Festival- listening to a diverse bunch of artists, old and new- Blair Dunlop, Emily Barker, The Staves, Thea Gilmore, KT Tunstall and The Waterboys, to name but a few. However, at some friends' house on Saturday morning, we sat in their garden and put on "For The Roses". And then it just struck me- why the heck am I bothering to go to a music festival, when I can sit here, and listen to this perfection? Joni is so far ahead of any other artist... Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:17:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni musings Joni probably needs a good PR person to keep her from shooting off at the mouth so often, and about the same old things, although I doubt she'd take anyone's advice anyway. It bothers me that she believes that "no one" understands her. Obviously some people would have to. She does, as someone said earlier, paint with too broad a brush. As far as the disparaging remarks about her, I think that most of the people who post comments on news sites tends to be the more extreme thinkers and reactors with very black-and-white views. I also read quite a few comments from people from Saskatoon who get what she's talking about and aren't hurt by it. Joni may be bitter, but I think a lot of people who comment on news websites must be even more bitter, since they seem to like sniping at everything they read. Likewise, Michael Coren of SunMedia (ptooey!) I hate that kind of hyperbole, whether it's from liberal (favourite word "neo-cons") or conservative (favourite words "libtards") wing-nuts, but I guess stirring up the shite sells papers and keeps viewers and listeners tuned in. I never could understand why people would want to listen to those talk-radio ranters, though. Why is their opinion any better than yours or mine? On the plus side, with the view that "there is no such thing as bad publicity", Coren gave her a whole 12-1/2 minutes. Joni apologized at Luminato for some of her earlier comments (for example. the one where she said that honour died in WWII - whatever she might have meant by that) and said that she seemed to be apologizing a lot lately. She also seemed genuinely pleased and impressed by the performances and by the audience's appreciation of her. And yet, once again, having apologized recently for that remark, she goes off on the "honour" thing again. I really don't see her apologizing for her comments, although it would be nice if she'd explain a bit better, without going off on some other tangent. As far as people not understanding her, I don't see how anyone could be expected to read between the lines and understand the points she was trying to make, even though it seems a few people did. >________________________________ > From: Mary Morris >To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST >Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 12:18:38 PM >Subject: Joni musings > > >I have been reading with great interest all the entries & news articles re: La >Mitchell last few days & I must say she certainly knows how to kick up a >storm. > >There are many views of hers that just don't sound very reasoned & I have >always taken them a grain of salt. Her stunning music & lyrics have always >been how I appreciated her. That being said, her old complaint that she is >misunderstood in interviews all these years is starting to ring not quite true >- she goes off at the mouth quite a bit & is quotable in & out of context >because of it. She's a prickly person at times. Comes off bitter, too. When >she sticks to her music, none can compare, however. > >The Canadian hatred of her & her Saskatoon comments is something I didn't >understand. That there are some who jump to disparage her very nastily & boy, >do they seem pissed, is a new insight. I don't have any knowledge of Canadian >regional feelings, but it is an eye opener, for sure. Just put a nice little >plaque at her old childhood home & leave it at that. We have her music. > > > > > GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire >meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:13:36 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Painting with too broad a brush & Sinead O-Conner/Magdalene David, Just yesterday, I was looking up some info for The Magdalene Laundries and I ran across that very interesting-read interview you are talking about. So here it is, if anyone wants to read it. The part about Sinead is about mid-way thru the interview http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=673 Laura *************************************************** FREE Nicor Gas Company Customers ENERGY SAVING KIT http://shop.niagaraconservation.com/nicorgas/ *************************************************** From: David Marine Subject: Painting with too broad a brush Hey List, ........................ I remember an interview that Joni did years ago in which she suggested that the kind of in-your-face protest that Sinead O'Conner did when she ripped up a picture of the Pope was perhaps ultimately counterproductive (in retrospect, perhaps it was prescient). I think she offered up "The Magdalene Laundries" as a more diplomatic and ultimately more effective criticism. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 12:37:38 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Premiers, mayor weigh in on Joni Mitchell controversy Title: Premiers, mayor weigh in on Joni Mitchell controversy Publication: Global News Date: 2013.7.27 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2657 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:06:37 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Joni musings My last sentence should have read: That sounds good, but there's also a time and place to firmly keep others OUT by setting a firm boundary, in my view. With Love Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:16:27 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Joni Mitchell and Buddhism Title: Joni Mitchell and Buddhism Publication: Blog Zen Mirror Date: 2013.7.4 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2658 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #298 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe