From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #297 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, July 29 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 297 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell says Saskatoon doesn't 'get' it - and it looks like she's right [Catherine ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1093---listening preference [BarbaRent7@aol.com] Re: Joni musings [Shari Eaton ] Re: Joni musings [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Graham Nash Autobiography [Steve Dulson ] Re: Joni musings [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1002--like, groovy [BarbaRent7@aol.com] New Library item: Joni Mitchell's mom honoured [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell says Saskatoon doesn't 'get' it - and it looks like she's right [Anita ] New Library item: Joni Mitchell Video [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] Re: Joni musings [Catherine McKay ] New Library item: THE GIRLS—LETTING GO [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com] Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell and Buddhism [Anita G ] Re: Joni musings [Anita G ] Re: Joni Covers, Retro Volume 90 - Deep Covers from the Deep South [Cathe] Re: Painting with too broad a brush [Anita ] =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_New_Library_item=3A_Joni_Mitchell_says_Saskatoo n_d?= =?UTF-8?Q?oesn=E2=80=99t_=E2=80=98get=E2=80=99_it_=E2=80=93_and_it_loo ks_like_she=E2=80=99s_right?= [] RE: New Library item: Joni Mitchell says Saskatoon doesn't 'get' it - and it looks like she's right [] Joni does Marvin... and I LOVE it! ["Pat Boland" ] Brooms & New Library item: Joni Mitchell Video [est86mlm@ameritech.net] RE: New Library item: THE GIRLS—LETTING GO ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Joni musings [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:08:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell says Saskatoon doesn't 'get' it - and it looks like she's right Saskatoonberry Lane All I want (is to get the f*ck out of Saskatchewan) This flight tonight (to anywhere but S'toon) Judgement of the right-wing news commentators Free man in Assiniboia In France they kiss on Main Street (but in Battleford, they don't) and so on. It was a relief to read that last article, by the way. - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anita > To: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" > Cc: Anne Sandstrom ; "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 4:57:07 PM > Subject: Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell says Saskatoon doesn't 'get' it - and it looks like she's right > >> Me too, but since the music is a bit talked out after 15 years and nothing >> new on the horizon (although maybe even as we speak she's working on >> "Saskatoon Sucks"), this makes for fun fodder. > > Is that on the same Sasketchewan Tribute album as "I Fort Macleod (and > Macleod won)" and "Flin Flon Gooly Gooly Gooly Watch Out!" > > Anita (slightly obscure, I know, but wondering if there may be more) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:53:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BarbaRent7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1093---listening preference To Lori, I just put the record on my stereo (my new one) and listen with my ears. No earbuds, iphones or earpieces for me, just those floppy things attached to my pointed head. I missed buying the Walkman and its cassette holder since I lived in Chicago then and wanted to hear what was going on around me, ya know? Peace, Calamity Babs of the SoCal desert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:01:36 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Joni musings Language is the liquid that we're all dissolved in. Great for solving problems after it creates a problem. (Modest Mouse lyric // Blame it on the Tetons) When I met Joni and accidentally ran to her with questions about Little Green her eyes and nostrils flared. She cut me back so deeply with just facial expressions and body gestures alone I actually also called her Joni Bitchell for about ten years. I didn't know about her daughter. I was just an ignorant fan wanting more of her music. But when she said in an interview that if you approach the fearful side of her you will see an anger that will scare you, I realized I was privy to the one of the deepest emotional sides of her possible. I guess I felt a little unique in my encounter. It means something to me that she likely thought about our interaction for a few days. Not that I'd wish any kind of disturbing feelings on anyone but it's Joni (!!) and my ego is proud that I made an impression, made her think. Heck it could've spurred her to start her search for Kilauren. Okay I'm getting ahead of myself. You all speak of her wonderful ways while I'd shake in my boots at the idea of speaking to her again. Saskatoon represents this damning event in her life. Now that her parents aren't around to protect she can cut back as hard as she bled (her whole adulthood spent bleeding for this lost child and harboring the birth of shame). Now when someone does something to me that stings slightly or truly hurts I think about their position in life and give myself some time to forgive them. Lots of Joni, Shari On Jul 29, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > I contradict myself all the time. Or maybe I don't. ;-) > > But Joni does seem to make these statements that are completely out of context for everyone but her. I suppose a good interviewer could ask her to clarify what she means, but good luck with that. In the various pre-Luminato interviews, she went off on that "honour dying with WWII" thing that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me in the context of honouring someone by doing a tribute concert. I think there's a bit of a difference between "honour" as in, "do the right thing" and "honour" as in "build a statue or do a tribute show." Later, she apologized for that and still later, was the Saskatoon statement where she was right back with the "honour is dead" thing. I'm not sure at this point if her trying to clarify what she meant would help or just make things worse. But just thinking about the fact that only one of the articles I read about the Saskatoon Incident (there may be more that I missed) mentioned that she wanted to build some kind of museum > dedicated to First Nations people (somewhere, but I'm not sure whether that was Saskatoon or elsewhere) means that someone missed the mark somewhere. > > Her going off on tangents or starting a conversation in what appears to be the middle of something and assuming that people know what came before might be part of the problem. Don't know if that made sense or not. This communication thing can be so tricky! > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Anita >> To: Catherine McKay >> Cc: Mary Morris ; JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST >> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:15:47 PM >> Subject: Re: Joni musings >> >> On 27 Jul 2013, at 18:17, Catherine McKay >> "As far as people not understanding her, I don't see how anyone could >> be expected to read between the lines and understand the points she was trying >> to make" >> >> Cat, don't you think most of us hope that folk will 'get' what >> we're saying without explanation? I know I do. What seems totally sensible >> in my world view I realise is insanity to others - particularly personal >> politics. I often think that my posts to JMDL are clearly outlining my ideas, >> but then I realise they're not.(though sometimes I do) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:38:35 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni musings read that Joni was making half-a-million a year from her publishing company, and that was in 1969.> And fast forward to 2013, and WE have to pick up the tab for her official website? Not that she asked for it mind you, but still...don't seem right. Throw us a bone Joan! Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:56:45 -0400 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Graham Nash Autobiography Sharon wrote: >Graham Nash's autobiography, Wild Tales, is available for pre-order at >grahamnash.com. Probably will have Joni content. General release of the book is >scheduled for Fall 2013. Graham will be the keynote speaker at next February's Folk Alliance conference in Kansas City. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni musings Wow, Anne! How nice to hear from you! Your voice has been missed. I think that, of all the articles I've read on this issue, there was only one that mentioned that what Joni wanted to create was a First Nations museum and you are so right: that changes everything and gives it a context that makes sense. I wonder if that's Joni assuming people know what she's talking about or bad journalists either not catching her drift or deliberately leaving that part out in order to create controversy. I think Joni might be a small l-liberal, but that she seems very conservative about quite a few things. I also find it laughable that some people (like Michael Coren) use the word "liberal" as if it were a bad thing (and I know some people do the same with the word "conservative.")B I guess we can't tell Joni what to do with her money, but maybe she should put it where her mouth is. I was very surprised when I read an article that was posted on the jonimitchell.com site yesterday (THE GIRLSbLETTING GO, by HubertB Saal, Newsweek, July 14, 1969 - http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2664) to read that Joni was making half-a-million a year from her publishing company, and that was in 1969. I guess I didn't realize that business was so lucrative back then. If she had invested the money wisely, who knows how rich she is today? Yeah, I know, it's none of my business, but I was really amazed at the dollars. - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anne Sandstrom > To: Catherine McKay ; Mary Morris ; JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST > Cc: > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 9:40:09 AM > Subject: RE: Joni musings > > Well, I'm disappointed in, but not surprised by, Joni's remarks. She > does seem to have painted with too broad a brush. Also, she really should have > emphasized the fact that she apparently wanted to create a First Nations museum, > not something dedicated to her. In that context, her remarks make more sense. It > seems that she feels that the reason Saskatoon has been unable to get its act > together is continuing bigotry. Whether that's true or not (and there's > probably some truth but that's probably not the whole story), the whole > thing has been further muddled by various media outlets, all of whom have their > own agendas. > > As for Joni being liberal, I've never particularly thought so. Other than > occasional concert appearances, mostly much earlier in her career, she > doesn't seem to have been active in any particular cause. She does seem to > whine a fair amount, but I don't see evidence of her actually putting her > money where her mouth is. And given how un-humble she is about everything else, > I doubt she's doing something quietly, in the background. > > I'll be interested in reading Graham's book. I have the sense that he is > more actively engaged in supporting his beliefs with actions. > > Also, just watched a rare concert DVD of Gordon Lightfoot from about 1972. > AMAZING!!! And what a voice. I always took his (great) songwriting for granted. > > Lots of love, > Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:58:20 -0400 (EDT) From: BarbaRent7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #1002--like, groovy To Jim, I hear you about that. About 8 years ago I was disappointed when newscasters on my LA station mispronounced words, such as Terre Haute, IN they called "Terra How-tay?" and 'facade' became 'fa-kade' and Westminster Abbey became a mini mall outlet as they referred to it as 'West Minister Alley'. If the new generation doesn't get training in our History and tested on basic penmanship or what we learned then I guess the generation following them will never learn how to write by themselves (there's texting with auto-spelling) so when the Chinese or Arab nations take us over that p.c. generation will gleefully let them come on over and take over the gov't as long as they can replace the batteries to their little devices. I hope I'm just dead by then but whom do I leave my 2,000 record albums to? All of my beloved Joni records! I let a neighbor replay one of my '80s punk records playing which I regret since she thought the needle went to the end like a CD and so made that record skip ever since as she dropped the needle! I miss the Pepsi Generation days...the 1960s were the Golden Age in arts and music, I think. Gonna get lost now in the 1930s on TCM, that other golden era. Peace, Babs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:07:03 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Joni Mitchell's mom honoured Title: Joni Mitchell's mom honoured Publication: Regina Leader-Post Date: 2007.3.28 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2661 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 21:57:07 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell says Saskatoon doesn't 'get' it - and it looks like she's right > Me too, but since the music is a bit talked out after 15 years and nothing > new on the horizon (although maybe even as we speak she's working on > "Saskatoon Sucks"), this makes for fun fodder. Is that on the same Sasketchewan Tribute album as "I Fort Macleod (and Macleod won)" and "Flin Flon Gooly Gooly Gooly Watch Out!" Anita (slightly obscure, I know, but wondering if there may be more) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:38:20 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Joni Mitchell Video Title: Joni Mitchell Video Publication: The Pittsburgh Press Date: 1992.1.10 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2662 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:20:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni musings I contradict myself all the time. Or maybe I don't. ;-) But Joni does seem to make these statements that are completely out of context for everyone but her. I suppose a good interviewer could ask her to clarify what she means, but good luck with that. In the various pre-Luminato interviews, she went off on that "honour dying with WWII" thing that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me in the context of honouring someone by doing a tribute concert. I think there's a bit of a difference between "honour" as in, "do the right thing" and "honour" as in "build a statue or do a tribute show." Later, she apologized for that and still later, was the Saskatoon statement where she was right back with the "honour is dead" thing. I'm not sure at this point if her trying to clarify what she meant would help or just make things worse. But just thinking about the fact that only one of the articles I read about the Saskatoon Incident (there may be more that I missed) mentioned that she wanted to build some kind of museum dedicated to First Nations people (somewhere, but I'm not sure whether that was Saskatoon or elsewhere) means that someone missed the mark somewhere. Her going off on tangents or starting a conversation in what appears to be the middle of something and assuming that people know what came before might be part of the problem. Don't know if that made sense or not. This communication thing can be so tricky! - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anita > To: Catherine McKay > Cc: Mary Morris ; JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:15:47 PM > Subject: Re: Joni musings > > On 27 Jul 2013, at 18:17, Catherine McKay > "As far as people not understanding her, I don't see how anyone could > be expected to read between the lines and understand the points she was trying > to make" > > Cat, don't you think most of us hope that folk will 'get' what > we're saying without explanation? I know I do. What seems totally sensible > in my world view I realise is insanity to others - particularly personal > politics. I often think that my posts to JMDL are clearly outlining my ideas, > but then I realise they're not.(though sometimes I do) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:47:43 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: THE GIRLS—LETTING GO Title: THE GIRLS—LETTING GO Publication: Newsweek Date: 1969.7.14 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2664 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 20:47:42 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell and Buddhism After all the Joni 'dissing' Saskatoon articles today, Joni and Buddhism has come as a gentle release and sparked a memory from years ago that made me laugh so much. It's the section when Joni visited ChC6gyam Trungpa Rinpoche and the article goes: "He was the bad boy of Zen. I wrote a song about a visit I made to him called Refuge Of The Road. I consider him one of my great teachers, even though I saw him only three times. Once I had a fifteen-minute audience with him in which we argued. He told me to quit analyzing. I told him I couldn't b I'm an artist, you know. Then he induced into me a temporary state where the concept of "I" was absent, which lasted for three days. [Later], at the very end of Trungpa's life I went to visit him. I wanted to thank him. He was not well. He was green and his eyes had no spirit in them at all, which sort of stunned me, because the previous times I'd seen him he was quite merry and puckish b you know, saying "shit" a lot. I leaned over and looked into his eyes, and I said, "How is it in there? What do you see in there? And this voice came, like, out of a void, and it said, "Nothing." So, I want over and whispered in his ear, "I just came to tell you that when I left you that time, I had three whole days without self consciousness and I wanted to thank you for the experience." And he looked up at me, and all the light came back into his face and he goes, "Really?" And then he sank back into this black void again." Afterwards, some smart person on the list posted and said (something like): "And ChC6gyam Trungpa Rinpoche thought, 'Even when I'm dying, it's all you,you,you...." Anita NP Oh I love you, when I forget about me,,,, On 27/07/2013, TheStaff@jonimitchell.com wrote: > Title: Joni Mitchell and Buddhism > Publication: Blog Zen Mirror > Date: 2013.7.4 > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2658 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:15:47 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Joni musings On 27 Jul 2013, at 18:17, Catherine McKay "As far as people not understanding her, I don't see how anyone could be expected to read between the lines and understand the points she was trying to make" Cat, don't you think most of us hope that folk will 'get' what we're saying without explanation? I know I do. What seems totally sensible in my world view I realise is insanity to others - particularly personal politics. I often think that my posts to JMDL are clearly outlining my ideas, but then I realise they're not.(though sometimes I do) I think you're right about Joni probably needing a PA - because being in the public eye is so full of bits being taken out of context, misrepresented etc. Yet I'm quite glad she calls things as she sees them. You see, even here in this email my own position shifts and I experience my contradictions! Oh how hard it must be to know people expect you to get your words right, to not be contradictory and to convey the meaning you intend all the time. Especially as you get older, words are harder to locate and things seem less and less certain. Mind you, Joni seems to be very certain.....see more contradictions again, Anita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:01:09 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Joni musings Love that quote, Shari. I will write that one down. Sad to hear you quake in your boots at the idea of speaking to Joni again. I don't doubt she can take care of herself if she feels she needs to. I guess a total stranger (well that's what I assume?) asking questions about something so deeply personal about her life really got to her. Not very surprising to me that you got the response that you did. It seems like you've turned that difficult experience into a positive one by being more empathic with the position of others when they hurt or sting you. That sounds good, but there's also a time and place to firmly keep others by setting a firm boundary, in my view. With Love Anita On 29/07/2013, Shari Eaton wrote: > Language is the liquid that we're all dissolved in. Great for solving > problems after it creates a problem. > > (Modest Mouse lyric // Blame it on the Tetons) > > When I met Joni and accidentally ran to her with questions about Little > Green her eyes and nostrils flared. She cut me back so deeply with just > facial expressions and body gestures alone I actually also called her Joni > Bitchell for about ten years. I didn't know about her daughter. I was just > an ignorant fan wanting more of her music. But when she said in an interview > that if you approach the fearful side of her you will see an anger that will > scare you, I realized I was privy to the one of the deepest emotional sides > of her possible. I guess I felt a little unique in my encounter. It means > something to me that she likely thought about our interaction for a few > days. Not that I'd wish any kind of disturbing feelings on anyone but it's > Joni (!!) and my ego is proud that I made an impression, made her think. > Heck it could've spurred her to start her search for Kilauren. Okay I'm > getting ahead of myself. You all speak of her wonderful ways while I'd shake > in my boots at the idea of speaking to her again. Saskatoon represents this > damning event in her life. Now that her parents aren't around to protect she > can cut back as hard as she bled (her whole adulthood spent bleeding for > this lost child and harboring the birth of shame). > > Now when someone does something to me that stings slightly or truly hurts I > think about their position in life and give myself some time to forgive > them. > > Lots of Joni, > Shari > > > On Jul 29, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Catherine McKay > wrote: > >> I contradict myself all the time. Or maybe I don't. ;-) >> >> But Joni does seem to make these statements that are completely out of >> context for everyone but her. I suppose a good interviewer could ask her >> to clarify what she means, but good luck with that. In the various >> pre-Luminato interviews, she went off on that "honour dying with WWII" >> thing that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me in the context of >> honouring someone by doing a tribute concert. I think there's a bit of a >> difference between "honour" as in, "do the right thing" and "honour" as in >> "build a statue or do a tribute show." Later, she apologized for that and >> still later, was the Saskatoon statement where she was right back with the >> "honour is dead" thing. I'm not sure at this point if her trying to >> clarify what she meant would help or just make things worse. But just >> thinking about the fact that only one of the articles I read about the >> Saskatoon Incident (there may be more that I missed) mentioned that she >> wanted to build some kind of museum >> dedicated to First Nations people (somewhere, but I'm not sure whether >> that was Saskatoon or elsewhere) means that someone missed the mark >> somewhere. >> >> Her going off on tangents or starting a conversation in what appears to be >> the middle of something and assuming that people know what came before >> might be part of the problem. Don't know if that made sense or not. This >> communication thing can be so tricky! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Anita >>> To: Catherine McKay >>> Cc: Mary Morris ; JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST >>> >>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:15:47 PM >>> Subject: Re: Joni musings >>> >>> On 27 Jul 2013, at 18:17, Catherine McKay >>> "As far as people not understanding her, I don't see how anyone could >>> be expected to read between the lines and understand the points she was >>> trying >>> to make" >>> >>> Cat, don't you think most of us hope that folk will 'get' what >>> we're saying without explanation? I know I do. What seems totally >>> sensible >>> in my world view I realise is insanity to others - particularly personal >>> >>> politics. I often think that my posts to JMDL are clearly outlining my >>> ideas, >>> but then I realise they're not.(though sometimes I do) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:28:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Retro Volume 90 - Deep Covers from the Deep South You sure we're not in Saskatoon, y'all? >________________________________ > From: Bob Muller >To: JMDL >Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:03:17 PM >Subject: Joni Covers, Retro Volume 90 - Deep Covers from the Deep South > > >Y'all ain't from 'round these parts now, is ya? Wellsir, I reckon I'll letcha >pour yessef some sweet tea, pull up a rocker and give a listen to these ol' >Joni covers. Yessir, y'all in the deep south now, where the bigots and the >Joni covers are everywhere. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 08:29:01 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Painting with too broad a brush Anita David wrote: > > Do you think that Joni has made a conscious decision, both in her lyrics and > in her public statements, to be less nuanced? I know she's always been > outspoken, but her deliver seems to have become more, well... blunt. Is it > perhaps merely the freedom that comes with age? > David, I remember years ago working in a therapy group (I know, so middle class) with a very, very famous therapist, then late 70s, with whom I had worked years before. I was struck by his bluntness and not couching his interventions with any therapy-speak (like 'I wonder if.....'). I asked him about what I saw as a new style and he said that he was conscious of having less time, so felt increasingly obliged not to waste it pussy footing around. He also said that he saw people as grown ups, able to make up their own minds whether or not to accept what he said. You refer to it as the 'freedom' that comes with age. I'm not sure yet if it's freedom or pressure from lack of time. Maybe they are one and the same, Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:04:24 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_New_Library_item=3A_Joni_Mitchell_says_Saskatoo n_d?= =?UTF-8?Q?oesn=E2=80=99t_=E2=80=98get=E2=80=99_it_=E2=80=93_and_it_loo ks_like_she=E2=80=99s_right?= On 29/07/2013, Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote: > Now there you go. That's more like it. Great! That's redressed the balance a bit more. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:32:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: New Library item: Joni Mitchell says Saskatoon doesn't 'get' it - and it looks like she's right Me too, but since the music is a bit talked out after 15 years and nothing new on the horizon (although maybe even as we speak she's working on "Saskatoon Sucks"), this makes for fun fodder. Plus, since she was dissing Saskatoon and comparing it where *I* reside (Deep South/South Carolina) I could take the stance as being offended by being labeled a bigot. I don't consider myself one but I'm certainly surrounded by them, and like this writer says, rather than simply attack the messenger let's take a harder look at the message. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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I'm going to blame you if I fall of my chair laughing and hurt my back again. Laura From: Anita G Subject: Re: New Library item: Joni Mitchell Video "In the video, Mitchell dances around the kitchen sometimes with a favorite kitten, other times strumming a broom as if it were a guitar." Prior to flying off on it to her home in Saskatoon...... (Heh-heh) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:38:42 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: New Library item: THE GIRLS—LETTING GO Interesting article. This piqued my wealth researcher interest: "Joni doesn't have to rush for the dollar. She recently turned down $1,250,000 for her one-writer publishing company because, she says, if she had sold it she would have felt as if she had been writing for money. There's some consolation, however, in the fact that she still makes $500,000 a year." $500,000 a year in today's terms is $5,140,000. Not bad for a 25-year-old! [http://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/relativevalue.php] Susan Tierney McNamara email:B sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:48 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: New Library item: THE GIRLS—LETTING GO Title: THE GIRLS—LETTING GO Publication: Newsweek Date: 1969.7.14 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2664 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:53:47 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?New_Library_item:_Joni_Mitchell_says_Saskatoon_?= =?UTF-8?Q?doesn=E2=80=99t_=E2=80=98get=E2=80=99_it_=E2=80=93_and_i?= =?UTF-8?Q?t_looks_like_she=E2=80=99s_right?= Title: Joni Mitchell says Saskatoon doesnbt bgetb it b and it looks like shebs right Publication: Metro Saskatoon Date: 2013.7.28 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2666 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni musings Yeah, I keep telling myself I *won't* read those things but it's kind of like passing a wreck on the highway: I just have to look. It scares the crap out of me sometimes though realizing how angry and judgmental people can be. But, like you, I still love Joni, even when she behaves badly. >________________________________ > From: Mary Morris >To: Catherine McKay ; jmdl >Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 5:04:42 PM >Subject: RE: Joni musings > > >Catherine, agree wholeheartedly with your well thought out opinion. I have >to agree that internet commenters are of the lowest variety, though I know it >is true, I am still shocked at the level of vitriol and hatred and wild >tangents any given subject, no matter how innocuous, raise such a tempest >storm in (mostly - imo) right wing nuts who just love to spout off on >anything. The level of hate & conjecture & jumping to opinions knows no >bounds, it seems. Copy that for the Mitchell/Saskatoon kerfuffle. It troubles >me somewhat & concerns me that as brilliant a lyricist as Joni can fall so >flat when given to prose......perhaps she needs the structure of her expansive >melodies & wonderful thoughts to be considered within a rhythmic structure, >less free form than just talking & talking. > >Love her, though, warts & all. > > > GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire >meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:34:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni musings I'm not sure if the notion of people not knowing how to honour was strictly aimed at Canadians, but it could easily be. I also didn't realize that Joni was so involved in First Nations issues. I knew that she has been in the past and, if she still is, I'm happy to hear that. Goodness knows, despite there being more press in recent years about native peoples' issues, there is still not enough attention paid to them. It would be nice if Joni would speak out on their behalf but, better still, it would be great to see her teaming up with someone like Buffy Sainte-Marie. I just finished reading a biography about Buffy called "It's my way" - a great read. Buffy is an activist for native rights and she puts her money where her mouth is. She started an educational project years ago called Cradleboard that provides multimedia teaching resources about native life (http://www.cradleboard.org) as well as singing about native rights and human rights generally. I read those articles about the nutritional experiments. Some people believe it wasn't like that but, having read about the experiments on black men in Tuskegee from the 30s to, believe it or not, the 70s, and having read the book "The immortal life of Henrietta Lacks," and knowing (thanks to Joni) about the Magdelene Laundries, I can absolutely believe that this was done. It seems that experimenting on or taking advantage of poor and disadvantaged people without their knowledge or permission, supposedly in the name of some higher authority - science or religion, was commonplace not so long ago. For all we know, some of it may still be going on. Joni says: Uranium money Is booming in the old home town now It's putting up sleek concrete Tearing the old landmarks down now Paving over brave little parks Ripping off Indian land again How long how long Short sighted business men In "No, no, Kegagesh,"(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7EYXnLLWZ8) Buffy says: These old men they make their dirty deals. Go in the back room and see what they can steal. Talk about your beautiful and spacious skies. It's about uranium; it's about the water rights. - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anita > To: Catherine McKay > Cc: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 1:53:39 PM > Subject: Re: Joni musings > > Cath, I did wonder if Joni's references to the notion of honour have been > influenced by her association with First People. Wab Kinew, Director of > Indigenous Inclusion, the University of Winnipeg - (quoted in the Huffington > Post just this July 25th )contained this, which is about nutritional > experiments First People were subjected to. > > 'Yet I know the hurt from these recent revelations is not limited to the > Indigenous community. I know many Canadians from other walks of life who have > been upset by the news and and are contemplating what it says about this > country's history. For me, the more important question is "what will > our > response say about what Canada is today?"Some friends and I have put out a > call to Canadians to shed some of this negativity by uniting across cultural > and religious lines. We are calling our gatherings (to be held today at noon) > "Honour The Apology," in reference to Prime Minister Harper's 2008 > apology to > Residential School survivors. The idea is that we can each honour the apology > on an individual level by commemorating or praying for the survivors.' > > I wondered if Joni's friends have been talking recently and feel that this > Apology has not been properly honoured in Canada. Maybe it's in her mind > that > Canadians don't know how to honour as a result. > That's my musing! > Anita ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #297 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe