From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #263 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, July 6 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 263 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: A Case Of You - coming soon to a hymnal near you? ["Susan E. McNamara] C&S guitar arrangements [Sam Stone ] Re: Why Furry now? [Catherine McKay ] Re: The rest of the Luminato Joni tribute songs have been posted on CBC's site [Bob Muller ] Re: The rest of the Luminato Joni tribute songs have been posted on CBC's site [Catherine McKay ] Re: A Case Of You - coming soon to a hymnal near you? [Victor Johnson ] Re: The rest of the Luminato Joni tribute songs have been posted on CBC's site [Catherine McKay ] Re: A Case Of You - coming soon to a hymnal near you? ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:14:27 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: A Case Of You - coming soon to a hymnal near you? I think this person has achieved what Joni said in Luminato - it's more important to see yourself in the songs ... the blogger is making a lot of assumptions ... but it's one of the charms of A Case of You that it uses so many metaphorical images of love as spirituality that the writer's conclusions are not far-fetched. I think that it's weird that he/she thinks that Joni must have been a Catholic to write this song. All of these images, whether Catholic or literary are pretty accessible to the mainstream, you don't have to be born again to use them in art. sue Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu ________________________________________ From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:45 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: A Case Of You - coming soon to a hymnal near you? This person makes some pretty big stretches in interpreting "A Case Of You"...but then, that's what religious people have to do sometimes. http://publicvigil.blogspot.nl/2011/09/case-of-joni.html My favorite quote: "God will forgive her if she will set aside her foolish pride and go to confession. And deep down I'm sure Joni already knows that." Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 18:04:45 -0400 From: Sam Stone Subject: C&S guitar arrangements Hi JMDLers! I was wondering if anyone has heard of or perhaps created for themselves any guitar arrangements for "Court and Spark"? If not, I think it could be an interesting project for me to try out. I've done arrangements before but most of them just "come to me." Perhaps some of you more skilled arrangers could give me some pointers on choosing the proper tuning, etc.? Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 16:54:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Why Furry now? Hi, Ange. I'm just finishing up listening to this now (listening to Joni singing "Hejira.") I didn't hear anything wrong with what you said. Joni might argue with you that she's not a recluse, but that's how people have been thinking of her, so I'm just kidding with that. I loved your original song and the cover of the one from the guy from Dawes (one of the Goldsmith brothers, but I can't remember the name, without backing up). I also enjoyed your stories, especially the one about being chased by a tiger. Also had the chance to check out your stuff on your website, and you have a great voice! And, last, but certainly not least, I've listened to and watched your version of "Bei mir bistu shein" with the photos of your grandparents. Absolutely beautiful! (As a child, when I heard that song, I thought it was about a guy named "Mr. Shane.") I was so sorry to learn that your grandfather had just died. Your grandparents looked like such lovely people. I hope you don't mind my sharing this with the Joni people. Please do check this out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e97lHWD7iuk >________________________________ > From: Ange T >To: Catherine McKay >Cc: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 6:08:36 PM >Subject: Re: Why Furry now? > > >Hmmm... just listened back to the interview and now I'm wondering whether I >got any Furry-Joni-facts correct at all! Listers, if you decide to listen >to this link, please be kind! I truly had the best of intentions. > >This went to air on ABC Radio Australia - across the state of Queensland - >to an estimated listening audience of 500,000. > >https://soundcloud.com/angetakats/abc-radio-queensland-ange > >Furry is towards the end of the interview ... I'm now regretting that I >didn't say many loving words about Joni but I'd been on air for 30 minutes >by that stage and had performed two live songs and answered a bunch of >personal questions...so I was a little overwhelmed. I was also emotional >due to the passing of my grandfather the morning of the interview (I >dedicated 'Bei Mir Bistu Shein' - the first song of the interview segment - >to him). > >Okay, over-analysing stops HERE. > >With love from Oz, >Ange >angetakats.com.au > > >On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > >> How cool is that! Any chance it's available to us to hear? Podcast? >> Anything? >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Ange T >> > To: "joni@smoe.org" >> > Cc: >> > Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 7:32:53 PM >> > Subject: Re: Why Furry now? >> > >> > I have been enjoying the many tangents that the Furry-thread has taken >> and >> > thought I'd update the list to let you know that Joni's song was played >> > on >> > ABC Australia, across the state of Queensland this week during a 40 >> minute >> > interview that I did for a segment titled 'Something old, something new, >> > something borrowed, something blue". YAY for Joni-songs-on-Oz-radio! >> > >> > The segment features singer/songwriters and involves them to performing >> two >> > songs (for 'something new' I performed my song 'Minnesota', from >> > my new >> > album Arva... for something 'borrowed' I performed a cover song of >> > 'A >> > Little Bit of Everything' by Taylor Goldsmith) and selecting two songs to >> > be played (for 'something old' I chose Ella Fitzgerald's version of >> > 'Bei >> > Mir Bistu Shein', given my Jewish heritage ....and 'something blue' >> > - you >> > guessed it 'Furry Sings the Blues'!). >> > >> > I told the story of Joni giving her first public interview in many years >> - >> > and the fact she'd mentioned how proud she was of the lyrics in that >> song. >> > I spoke about old Furry and the decline of Beale Street and the fact that >> > it was the song she chose to sing publicly in Canada at Luminato. >> > >> > It was a really nice interview... and I reckon some of the listeners >> would >> > have never heard the song before...so I feel happy to have shared the >> > Joni-love! >> > >> > Thanks to everyone for the links to articles and information. >> > Ange in Oz >> > angetakats.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 14:38:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: The rest of the Luminato Joni tribute songs have been posted on CBC's site Listening now...the quality is GREAT. Listening to Joni singing "Furry" now. Thanks for keeping an eye out. Bob ________________________________ From: Catherine McKay To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 4:31 PM Subject: The rest of the Luminato Joni tribute songs have been posted on CBC's site The second batch of the Luminato Tribute songs are now posted on CBC's website for your listening and/or downloading pleasure. These include the ones Joni performed. Additions are: The Boho Dance - Glen Hansard Cold Blue steel - Kathleen Edwards Slouching - Rufus W Carey - Glen H Jericho - Lizz Wright Help me - Esperanza Spalding The dawntreader - Esperanza Spalding Shadows and Light - Glen Hansard Free man in Paris - Rufus W This rain - Joni Furry - Joni Woodstock - Joni http://music.cbc.ca/#/concerts/Joni-A-Portrait-in-Song-presented-by-Luminato- Festival-2013-06-19 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 19:02:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: The rest of the Luminato Joni tribute songs have been posted on CBC's site I did in fact notice that. Was not that enthralled with that particular performance. Bob ________________________________ From: Catherine McKay To: Bob Muller ; JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: Re: The rest of the Luminato Joni tribute songs have been posted on CBC's site Hey! Didja happen to notice Rufus's pronunciation of "gyre"? Hard G. Just sayin'. - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Muller > To: Catherine McKay ; JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST > Cc: > Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 5:38:42 PM > Subject: Re: The rest of the Luminato Joni tribute songs have been posted on CBC's site > > Listening now...the quality is GREAT. Listening to Joni singing > "Furry" now. > Thanks for keeping an eye out. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 06:40:55 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: for anyone with a Roland VG-8 or VG-99 She used a vareity of sounds on the Roland as well as effects. I have a copy of her patches for the VG-8 that I got years ago. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com On Jul 4, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Josh Eubank wrote: Does anyone know what sound Joni used when playing the Roland? She only referred to it as like a "modified strat sound." I was just wondering if anyone knows what the patch was called. Does the VG-99 still have it? Thanks and happy fourth of July to all. - -- Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 08:45:52 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: A Case Of You - coming soon to a hymnal near you? This person makes some pretty big stretches in interpreting "A Case Of You"...but then, that's what religious people have to do sometimes. http://publicvigil.blogspot.nl/2011/09/case-of-joni.html My favorite quote: "God will forgive her if she will set aside her foolish pride and go to confession. And deep down I'm sure Joni already knows that." Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 08:08:36 +1000 From: Ange T Subject: Re: Why Furry now? Hmmm... just listened back to the interview and now I'm wondering whether I got any Furry-Joni-facts correct at all! Listers, if you decide to listen to this link, please be kind! I truly had the best of intentions. This went to air on ABC Radio Australia - across the state of Queensland - to an estimated listening audience of 500,000. https://soundcloud.com/angetakats/abc-radio-queensland-ange Furry is towards the end of the interview ... I'm now regretting that I didn't say many loving words about Joni but I'd been on air for 30 minutes by that stage and had performed two live songs and answered a bunch of personal questions...so I was a little overwhelmed. I was also emotional due to the passing of my grandfather the morning of the interview (I dedicated 'Bei Mir Bistu Shein' - the first song of the interview segment - to him). Okay, over-analysing stops HERE. With love from Oz, Ange angetakats.com.au On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > How cool is that! Any chance it's available to us to hear? Podcast? > Anything? > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ange T > > To: "joni@smoe.org" > > Cc: > > Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 7:32:53 PM > > Subject: Re: Why Furry now? > > > > I have been enjoying the many tangents that the Furry-thread has taken > and > > thought I'd update the list to let you know that Joni's song was played > > on > > ABC Australia, across the state of Queensland this week during a 40 > minute > > interview that I did for a segment titled 'Something old, something new, > > something borrowed, something blue". YAY for Joni-songs-on-Oz-radio! > > > > The segment features singer/songwriters and involves them to performing > two > > songs (for 'something new' I performed my song 'Minnesota', from > > my new > > album Arva... for something 'borrowed' I performed a cover song of > > 'A > > Little Bit of Everything' by Taylor Goldsmith) and selecting two songs to > > be played (for 'something old' I chose Ella Fitzgerald's version of > > 'Bei > > Mir Bistu Shein', given my Jewish heritage ....and 'something blue' > > - you > > guessed it 'Furry Sings the Blues'!). > > > > I told the story of Joni giving her first public interview in many years > - > > and the fact she'd mentioned how proud she was of the lyrics in that > song. > > I spoke about old Furry and the decline of Beale Street and the fact that > > it was the song she chose to sing publicly in Canada at Luminato. > > > > It was a really nice interview... and I reckon some of the listeners > would > > have never heard the song before...so I feel happy to have shared the > > Joni-love! > > > > Thanks to everyone for the links to articles and information. > > Ange in Oz > > angetakats.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 14:04:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The rest of the Luminato Joni tribute songs have been posted on CBC's site Actually, there are a few songs missing, i.e.: Joni - Don't interrupt the sorrow Cold Specks - Black Crow These will probably end up on the website sooner of later. Sometimes they have technical difficulties with one or two things. - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Catherine McKay > To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST > Cc: > Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 4:31:42 PM > Subject: The rest of the Luminato Joni tribute songs have been posted on CBC's site > >T he second batch of the Luminato Tribute songs are now posted on CBC's > website for your listening and/or downloading pleasure. These include the ones > Joni performed. > > Additions are: > The Boho Dance - Glen Hansard > Cold Blue steel - Kathleen Edwards > Slouching - Rufus W > Carey - Glen H > Jericho - Lizz Wright > Help me - Esperanza Spalding > The dawntreader - Esperanza Spalding > Shadows and Light - Glen Hansard > Free man in Paris - Rufus W > This rain - Joni > Furry - Joni > Woodstock - Joni > > http://music.cbc.ca/#/concerts/Joni-A-Portrait-in-Song-presented-by-Luminato-Festival-2013-06-19 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:44:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A Case Of You - coming soon to a hymnal near you? I'm sure I'll draw flames for this (oh, maybe the flames of hell?) but I don't see a huge gap between the weird interpretations of overly religious people and the rants of people in the midst of a psychotic episode. Charles Manson interpreted the Beatles song "Helter Skelter" as some sort of coded reference to a call for racial wars, and look how that ended up. Thanks, blogwriter, for "knowing" what Joni needs. Somehow I doubt Joni feels (or "knows") that she needs to go to confession. She hates being labelled a confessional artist! (Mwa ha ha!) In the past, Joni has said (and I'm only relying on my memory for this) that she's a little bit Christian, a little bit Jewish, a little bit Buddhist, maybe more. She also uses native spirituality in her interpretations of "types" of people in the world (the medicine wheel). She has also said that cocaine is her god, or maybe her prayer. She would have been raised in a Christian environment (Sunday school, and I think it was the United Church) but the hospital she spent time in when she had polio was run by nuns (Catholic, I assume), so she would have been steeped in Christian beliefs. If anything, rather than the lover in "A case of you" being a Christ figure, I see it as the opposite: that this lover has replaced gods or religion in Joni's mind and that she worships him - or that she did, and they've broken apart, but she still can't get him out of her system. - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Susan E. McNamara > To: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" ; "joni@smoe.org" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 9:14:27 AM > Subject: RE: A Case Of You - coming soon to a hymnal near you? > > I think this person has achieved what Joni said in Luminato - it's more > important to see yourself in the songs ... the blogger is making a lot of > assumptions ... but it's one of the charms of A Case of You that it uses so > many metaphorical images of love as spirituality that the writer's > conclusions are not far-fetched. I think that it's weird that he/she thinks > that Joni must have been a Catholic to write this song. All of these images, > whether Catholic or literary are pretty accessible to the mainstream, you > don't have to be born again to use them in art. > > sue > > > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > ________________________________________ > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of > Bob.Muller@Fluor.com [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:45 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: A Case Of You - coming soon to a hymnal near you? > > This person makes some pretty big stretches in interpreting "A Case Of > You"...but then, that's what religious people have to do sometimes. > > http://publicvigil.blogspot.nl/2011/09/case-of-joni.html > > My favorite quote: "God will forgive her if she will set aside her foolish > pride and go to confession. And deep down I'm sure Joni already knows > that." > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 12:32:23 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: New guitar instructional video: I Think I Understand Just wanted to let you know I have finished the next song in my series of guitar instruction videos for Clouds: I Think I Understand. I concentrated more on the instruction portion than the playing portion in this video since Joni's fingerpicking style on this song is STELLAR! My goal with these videos is to make Joni's guitar style more accesible, so more people can enjoy playing this beautiful music. Also, on the youtube site, I'm asking, if you enjoy these videos, please donate to JoniMitchell.com. Many thanks to Marian Russell for her wonderful tab of ITIU! Great work as always!! http://jonimitchell.com/music/transcription.cfm?id=301&from=search Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 14:48:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Luminato, 2nd batch, Dropbox Here's a link to the second batch of Luminato songs, 128 kbps (as they are on CBC's site.) https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lwy9c33qignv9wj/2HgaXhkkJs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 20:31:40 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: A Case Of You - coming soon to a hymnal near you? > Back in the eighties, I remember all of these Christian groups, trying to > show how all rock music was satanic and evil, reading satanic messages into > all the lyrics. Well I guess it can work the other way as well, finding Christian messages where there is no specific Christian intent. Like Joni, these days I tend to find things to appreciate in all religions. That was definitely worth a few chuckles... Victor in wet Atlanta NP: Braves and Phillies ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 06:33:03 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: 2nd batch original mp3 download CBC Am 05.07.2013 22:31, Wie Catherine McKay so vortrefflich formulierte: > The second batch of the Luminato Tribute songs are now posted on > CBC's website for your listening and/or downloading pleasure. These > include the ones Joni performed. http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/Furry-Sings-The-Blues---Joni-Mitchell.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/This-Rain---Joni-Mitchell.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/Woodstock.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/Free-Man-in-Paris---Rufus-Wainwright.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/Slouching-Towards-Bethlehem---Rufus-Wainwright.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/The-Boho-Dance---Glen-Hansard.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/Shadows-And-Light---Glen-Hansard.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/Carey---Glen-Hansard.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/The-Dawntreader---Esperanza-Spalding.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/Help-Me---Esperanza-Spalding.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/Jericho---Lizz-Wright.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/Cold-Blue-Steel-And-Sweet-Fire---Kathleen-Edwards.mp3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 14:51:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The rest of the Luminato Joni tribute songs have been posted on CBC's site Hey! Didja happen to notice Rufus's pronunciation of "gyre"? Hard G. Just sayin'. - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Muller > To: Catherine McKay ; JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST > Cc: > Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 5:38:42 PM > Subject: Re: The rest of the Luminato Joni tribute songs have been posted on CBC's site > > Listening now...the quality is GREAT. Listening to Joni singing > "Furry" now. > Thanks for keeping an eye out. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:30:25 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: A Case Of You - coming soon to a hymnal near you? Bob, Great linkage. Leonard Cohen as Jesus. Funny stuff. Sue, You make an insightful point about this religious writer seeing what they need to see in the song. While reading the article I became convinced as well. It's a strong argument .. if you haven't paid as much attention to Joni as we all have. This bit: Just before our love got lost you said "I am as constant as a northern star" And I said "Constantly in the darkness Where's that at? If you want me I'll be in the bar" reminds me now of the opening to River: It's coming on Christmas They're cutting down trees Putting up reindeer Singing songs of Joy and Peace I wish I had a river I could skate away on. The Girls Like Us writer attributed River to Nietzche's idea of melting the frozen river inside & accepting ourselves as God -- giving ourselves credit for our brilliance. I need to read him myself. I'm not 100% on this understanding. Anyway these both *could* express the idea: I wish I had a God but I don't so I'll turn to myself. It's an interesting theory but it may be forced and Joni could be thinking of something else entirely. I have a strong image of Joni sitting, writing, strumming and tuning into a plane that not a lot of people access. She's said, 'there were times I couldn't hit a wrong note' to describe the channeling she did. She's unable to be hypnotized bc she's always open and receptive. For me, this is truly spiritual: to receive and pass on beauty and wisdom from beyond. It feels the most pure of all the practices we've got. I can see how Christians could feel pretty frustrated with her. Lots of Joni, Shari On Jul 5, 2013, at 6:14 AM, "Susan E. McNamara" wrote: > I think this person has achieved what Joni said in Luminato - it's more important to see yourself in the songs ... the blogger is making a lot of assumptions ... but it's one of the charms of A Case of You that it uses so many metaphorical images of love as spirituality that the writer's conclusions are not far-fetched. I think that it's weird that he/she thinks that Joni must have been a Catholic to write this song. All of these images, whether Catholic or literary are pretty accessible to the mainstream, you don't have to be born again to use them in art. > > sue > > > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > ________________________________________ > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:45 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: A Case Of You - coming soon to a hymnal near you? > > This person makes some pretty big stretches in interpreting "A Case Of > You"...but then, that's what religious people have to do sometimes. > > http://publicvigil.blogspot.nl/2011/09/case-of-joni.html > > My favorite quote: "God will forgive her if she will set aside her foolish > pride and go to confession. And deep down I'm sure Joni already knows > that." > > Bob > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 21:55:28 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Why Furry now? Or a folksinger. Am I leaving anything out? LOL. > Jim Composer of "Dancing Clown"? Anita :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 10:23:57 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: A Case Of You - coming soon to a hymnal near you? What I find interesting is this person's interpretation of the woman who 'had a mouth like yours' as Mary, the mother of Jesus. The author writes 'Who knew Christ better than His Mother Mary?' but conveniently leaves out Joni's line 'She knew your devils and your deeds'. In this person's interpretation, the son of God, or God incarnate come down to earth has his own personal devils. I suppose the doubt that Jesus expressed in his prayers in Gethsemane could be construed as wrestling with his demons or devils but it seems like a stretch to me. There is also the temptations of the actual Devil that Jesus contends with in his 40 days in the wilderness. But 'A Case of You' talks about devils, the plural form of the word, not the actual Christian Devil. The lyric is 'she knew your devils' which is possessive and to me implies negative traits that inhabit the lover's personality and are not flaws that anyone would associate with Jesus. At least that's what I think . It just doesn't fit and isn't referred to in this person's analysis of the song. Also 'I am as constant as a northern star' is paraphrased from Shakespeare's 'Julius Caesar'. Shakespeare has spoken to many souls over the centuries but I hardly think the Catholic church would look on him as even a mouthpiece for God. I wonder what this person would make of 'Passion Play'? Oy vey, Maria! I remember reading that Joni has said that she finds beauty in the teachings of Christ but that she finds beauty in other religions as well. Almost every Western writer of poetry or literature of any kind makes reference to the Bible at some point in their writing. Jewish born, ordained Buddhist monk Leonard Cohen combined Christian religious metaphors with sex in many of his songs. But they were metaphors, just that. The character 'Suzanne' was about an actual woman. She wasn't Jesus even though the second verse of the song is about Jesus. When Joni was married to Larry Klein, she said in some interview that she was probably mostly a Buddhist but that she was Jewish by injection and then she laughed. She said herself in the TimesTalk interview, I believe it was, that she is not a follower nor does she have a wish to lead. She is a musical maverick and I think she is probably also a religious maverick. She is spiritual but I don't think she would categorize her beliefs into one religion anymore than she would categorize her music into one musical genre. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan E. McNamara Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 6:14 AM To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com ; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: A Case Of You - coming soon to a hymnal near you? I think this person has achieved what Joni said in Luminato - it's more important to see yourself in the songs ... the blogger is making a lot of assumptions ... but it's one of the charms of A Case of You that it uses so many metaphorical images of love as spirituality that the writer's conclusions are not far-fetched. I think that it's weird that he/she thinks that Joni must have been a Catholic to write this song. All of these images, whether Catholic or literary are pretty accessible to the mainstream, you don't have to be born again to use them in art. sue Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu ________________________________________ From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 8:45 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: A Case Of You - coming soon to a hymnal near you? This person makes some pretty big stretches in interpreting "A Case Of You"...but then, that's what religious people have to do sometimes. http://publicvigil.blogspot.nl/2011/09/case-of-joni.html My favorite quote: "God will forgive her if she will set aside her foolish pride and go to confession. And deep down I'm sure Joni already knows that." Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Additions are: The Boho Dance - Glen Hansard Cold Blue steel - Kathleen Edwards Slouching - Rufus W Carey - Glen H Jericho - Lizz Wright Help me - Esperanza Spalding The dawntreader - Esperanza Spalding Shadows and Light - Glen Hansard Free man in Paris - Rufus W This rain - Joni Furry - Joni Woodstock - Joni http://music.cbc.ca/#/concerts/Joni-A-Portrait-in-Song-presented-by-Luminato-Festival-2013-06-19 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 22:14:23 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Fwd: Why Furry now? Hi group, Jim asked me 'why furry now?' and I responded below. He thought you might enjoy reading it as well and left it up to me to share. See below: Begin forwarded message: > From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com > Date: July 5, 2013, 6:13:01 PM PDT > To: Shari Eaton > Subject: Re: Why Furry now? > > That' sorta poetic, Shari. You can post this if you want to. I know that the group would appreciate your writing. > > Jim L > > On Jul 4, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Shari Eaton wrote: > >> Hi Jim, >> >> If you consider that she was performing at an event that honored her & her musical contribution (being the originator of her job ... like Furry's contribution to the origination of the blues) the song is a perfect choice. >> >> Joni's cast in bronze. Her story has been written. She's gone down in the history books and no one like her will come along again. Her own Beale street has closed for business. >> >> I also found the inclusion of her musician friend during the interview telling in a similar way. She's putting herself next to him. Next to Furry, Handy. She brought along the people and songs of people who she felt defined her. >> >> She wasn't the only black man at that party. ;) >> >> Shari >> >> On Jul 4, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >> >>> carrion and mercy. yeah, that's very telling, eh? >>> >>> death and charity. he was nearly dead and those around him were helping him, out of charity. >>> >>> That doesn't sound like joni's present condition. why Furry? why now? >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> On 7/4/2013 1:39 PM, Shari Eaton wrote: >>>> He has people in the sense that they're around but Furry was grumpy and guarded. Joan's take on it is that the whole scene has gone to hell .. only carrion and mercy that are left. >>>> >>>> She might not have created a documentary but more of a film. >>>> >>>> Shari >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: >>>> >>>>> I read an interview with Furry, published in Playboy (April 1970) on >>>>> jonimitchell.com this morning. In it, Furry calls out to his wife, >>>>> Versie. I didn't catch the difference between the woman in Joni's song >>>>> and the wife in his home. >>>>> >>>>> In the article, a neighbor is visiting Furry when the author arrives. >>>>> >>>>> Furry wasn't really alone. Although Joni might style herself as alone, >>>>> I think maybe "closer to the truth to say" she's lonely. >>>>> >>>>> Jim L'Hommedieu >>>>>> closer to the truth to say >>>>>> you can't get enough >>>>>> you're gonna have to face it >>>>>> you're addicted to love >>>>> >>>>> On 7/4/2013 11:40 AM, Bob Muller wrote: >>>>>> Just one small note - Jenny in the song is Furry's neighbor, not his >>>>>> wife. Obviously, when Joni sings "Ol' Furry's got nooobody" she >>>>>> singing it as Furry singing about himself, not as Joni singing about him. >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Jim L'Hommedieu >>>>>> **1. Joni said, "Ol' Furry's got no-body." It wasn't true though. In the >>>>>> song, Furry had a woman, "for his kindness and Furry's beer". In >>>>>> interviews, Furry's wife is always close by. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, Joni thought he was alone. If we believe her interviews, she's >>>>>> not dating anymore. Ol' Joni's got no body. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #263 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe