From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #255 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, June 30 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 255 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Luminato tribute - mp3s [Michael Flaherty ] Joni mentions from Canada's west-coast ["Allison Crowe Music" ] Re: Luminato tribute - mp3s [Mariana Intagliata ] New Library item: Joni Mitchell's Forgotten Opuses [TheStaff@JoniMitchell] Joni mention in Globe and Mail article: "Happy 80th, Wayne Shorter: The jazz world gears up to celebrate a legend" [] Re: Luminato Recordings [Catherine McKay ] Joni Covers 88 - Retro ghost of covers past [Bob Muller ] Re: Shades of Lizz Wright [Anita ] Re: Shades of Lizz Wright [Catherine McKay ] Shades of Lizz Wright [Michael quebec ] Re: Luminato Recordings [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Luminato tribute - mp3s [Moni Kellermann ] Re: Furry Sings the Blues & Hejira - Joni Mitchell's Jazz Jam [Anita ] Re: Joni Covers 88 - Retro ghost of covers past [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #893 ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Hejira pronunciation [Anita G ] Re: Luminato tribute - mp3s [Catherine McKay ] Hejira pronunciation [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: This Rain, This Rain - the lyrics [Anita ] Re: Hejira pronunciation [Catherine McKay ] Re: Pronunciations [Dave Blackburn ] RE: Hejira pronunciation [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #893 [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #893 [BarbaRent7@aol.com] Re: The Interview / feminism [Kate Johnson ] Ageless Joni [Betsy Blue ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 07:45:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Luminato tribute - mp3s Looks like it's working fine for me, Catherine. Thanks so much! Michael F. ________________________________ From: Catherine McKay To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: Re: Luminato tribute - mp3s Merde, et merde encore. The link I sent before is wrong. This one should work: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d5q6sm3ho3noy1o/BUxn57kYjS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 11:48:58 -0700 From: "Allison Crowe Music" Subject: Joni mentions from Canada's west-coast On Vancouver Island, the Nanaimo Daily News asks musicians, politicians and other folks to name five essential albums. Joni's cited by two of those interviewed. Singer-songwriter Allison Crowe, (whom I serve as manager), says of her selection: "Blue by Joni Mitchell. 'This album is a must. Joni Mitchell is just all-around fantastic. Her song-writing, her musicianship - her voice, her playing, her arranging - everything is pretty much unmatchable'." Artist and gallery curator Sheila Norgate picks: "Ladies of the Canyon by Joni Mitchell, 'Because she IS the best songwriter alive'." http://www.nanaimodailynews.com/lists-of-summer-nanaimo-music-lovers-pick-all-time-greatest-albums-1.337948 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 08:25:17 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: Thank you for concert link It has been such an embarrassment of riches since the Luminato Festival and I'm still thanking you all for your willingness to share your experiences and observations. Just listened to this link : which someone kindly shared. Not all the links worked, but this one did. http://music.cbc.ca/#/concerts/Joni-A-Portrait-in-Song-presented-by-Luminato - -Festival-2013-06-19 It was excellent. Beautiful music making. Just lovely. Thank you. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 11:29:42 -0300 From: Mariana Intagliata Subject: Re: Luminato tribute - mp3s I had no problem downloading them, and I appreciate your efforts! And the music, of course. ... 2013/6/29 Catherine McKay > Merde, et merde encore. The link I sent before is wrong. This one should > work: > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d5q6sm3ho3noy1o/BUxn57kYjS > > If anyone knows how to save this stuff as wav or flac or aiff or whatever, > and not mp3, please let me know, because basically I just download things > and click buttons, but I have absolutely NO idea what the hell I'm doing > and, if it works, it's only because some tech-head knew what s/he was doing. > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Catherine McKay > >To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST > >Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 4:24:53 PM > >Subject: Luminato tribute - mp3s > > > > > > > >Here's the first batch of the Luminato tribute, converted to mp3 and > uploaded to dropbox. Get 'em while you can. > > > > > >Included in this lot are: > >The fiddle and the drum - Lizz Wright > >Coyote - Glen Hansard > >You turn me on - Kathleen Edwards > >If - Liam Titcomb > >Shades of Scarlett - Lizz Wright > >The wold that lives in Lindsey - Lizz Wright > >Both Sides Now - Esperanza Spalding > >All I want - Rufus W > >A case of you - Rufus > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.dropbox.com/home/Joni%20A%20Portrait%20in%20Song%20presented%20by%20Luminato%20Festival%20CBC%20Radio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:25:46 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Joni Mitchell's Forgotten Opuses Title: Joni Mitchell's Forgotten Opuses Publication: Hazlitt Date: 2013.6.26 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2620 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 06:24:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni mention in Globe and Mail article: "Happy 80th, Wayne Shorter: The jazz world gears up to celebrate a legend" Yesterday's Globe and Mail has an article on Wayne Shorter and his upcoming 80th birthday, with a Joni mention. The article is called "Happy 80th, Wayne Shorter: The jazz world gears up to celebrate a legend" and is by J.D. Considine. Here's the Joni mention: "You know that majestic, slowly unfolding solo in the middle of the Steely Dan song Aja? Thatbs Wayne Shorter. "The same year he made that cameo, Shorter was invited by Weather Report bassist Jaco Pastorius to play on the sessions for the Joni Mitchell album Don Juanbs Reckless Daughter. Mitchell had been a fan of Shorterbs music since hearing Nefertiti b bItbs a very unusual piece of music,b she told journalist Michelle Mercer b and went on to use his playing on a dozen subsequent albums." http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/music/happy-80th-wayne-shorter-the-jazz-world-gears-up-to-celebrate-a-legend/article12883098/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:14:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Luminato Recordings I don't know how much time the band had to rehearse, but it's probably not as long as you might think. I spoke to Liam Titcomb after the show and he said he had only an hour (or maybe it was half an hour) with the band. I'm absolutely gobsmacked at that. Even if you have the music and you've rehearsed on your own, just knowing your own cues and when to come in must be pretty daunting. I also agree with you about Lizz Wright. She was a complete revelation to me. - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Muller > To: JMDL > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:52:22 PM > Subject: Luminato Recordings > > Listening now - these are OMG jaw-dropping wonderful. Lizz Wright gets the > gold star in my opinion but all of these are really great - even the Rufus > tracks and I'm not a fan of his voice. The band was razor sharp and so > well-rehearsed. Tight and loose at the same time. Love the arrangement of > "If" > and Liam in general, very Sting-ish. > Lizz Wright - you have my permission to > do a full album of Joni. (She did a studio version of "Fiddle And The > Drum" on > Danilo Perez' record several years back.) > I can only imagine what the vibe > must have been listening live, surrounded by fellow JMDLers. > These will all be > included in a future covers volume. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:38:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers 88 - Retro ghost of covers past Happy weekend all - here's another blast from cover compilations past - Volume 88, and it's truly a mixed bag. A fun poppy 'Little Green' from Vinegar Brain, a rocking BSN from White Flag, some deep tracks and a couple of stinkolas from Ute Jeutter, who should just not be allowed to open her mouth - she is terrible. Good band backing her up, though. And we close things out with a couple of medleys, Stephen Fearing's is not so much a medley as a BSN tucked in to his song. Anyway, here's a link and a playlist - go get 'em. http://goo.gl/CnSEl 1. Norma Winstone with the NDR Bigband - Big Yellow Taxi 2. Jin Uruyama - Both Sides Now 3. Pamela Shane - Song For Sharon 4. Nika Rejto - Twisted 5. White Flag - Both Sides Now 6. Vinegar Brain - Little Green 7. Julian Davies - Big Yellow Taxi 8. Ute Jeutter - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 9. Ute Jeutter - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 10. Rosendal.Earle.Templeton - Both Sides Now 11. Ellen Robinson - The Fiddle And The Drum 12. The Tindalls - Big Yellow Taxi 13. The Tindalls - Chelsea Morning 14. Bjorn Skifs - Jag Ser Med Andra Ogon Nu (Both Sides Now/Swedish) 15. Lane Wintermute - The Circle Game 16. Luv Handles - Big Yellow Taxi/Absolutely Right 17. Stephen Fearing - Beguiling Eyes/Both Sides Now 17 songs, 17 hits. Enjoy. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 13:36:24 +0000 From: Michael quebec Subject: Furry Sings the Blues & Hejira - Joni Mitchell's Jazz Jam Wow, just stumbled on to this amazing version of Furry on Youtube, dating to 1987. I had never seen this before ! August 29, 1987 - Joni is a guest on the premiere of Showtime Coast to Coast for a jam super session with host Herbie Hancock (piano), as well as Bobby McFerrin (vocals), Wayne Shorter (soprano saxophone), David Sanborn (alto saxophone), and Larry Klein (bass guitar). In this clip, Joni leads the discussion about Furry Sings The Blues then the jam begins followed by Hejira. Cable TV's Showtime Coast To Coast was a unique performance magazine series of in-concert performances, interviews and collaborations hosted by Herbie Hancock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IGJyjFhCgkE#at=103 Enjoy ! Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 09:52:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Luminato Recordings Listening now - these are OMG jaw-dropping wonderful. Lizz Wright gets the gold star in my opinion but all of these are really great - even the Rufus tracks and I'm not a fan of his voice. The band was razor sharp and so well-rehearsed. Tight and loose at the same time. Love the arrangement of "If" and Liam in general, very Sting-ish. Lizz Wright - you have my permission to do a full album of Joni. (She did a studio version of "Fiddle And The Drum" on Danilo Perez' record several years back.) I can only imagine what the vibe must have been listening live, surrounded by fellow JMDLers. These will all be included in a future covers volume. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:33:31 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Shades of Lizz Wright Just tried the link and also searched utube but no luck. Is it a Canadian exclusive? Anita On 29 Jun 2013, at 14:40, Michael quebec wrote: > Thanks for the cbc headsup Catherine ! and the photos : ) > > Michael > > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 06:32:18 -0700 > From: anima_rising@yahoo.ca > Subject: Re: Shades of Lizz Wright > To: michael_quebec@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org > > I had tears in my eyes. I just remember when Lizz first came on stage, with > the opening number, to do The Fiddle and the Drum and she held everyone in the > palm of her hand. You could hear a pin drop (and a whole bunch of other > cliched expressions that were really true in her case.) And "Shades of > Scarlet" is to die for. > > From: Michael quebec > To: "joni@smoe.org" ; "anima_rising@yahoo.ca" > > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:55:37 AM > Subject: Shades of Lizz Wright > > > > > Is this not the most sublime cover ever done of SOSC ? It made me melt... > > http://music.cbc.ca/#/concerts/Joni-A-Portrait-in-Song-presented-by-Luminato- > Festival-2013-06-19 > > Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 06:32:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Shades of Lizz Wright I had tears in my eyes. I just remember when Lizz first came on stage, with the opening number, to do The Fiddle and the Drum and she held everyone in the palm of her hand. You could hear a pin drop (and a whole bunch of other cliched expressions that were really true in her case.) And "Shades of Scarlet" is to die for. >________________________________ > From: Michael quebec >To: "joni@smoe.org" ; "anima_rising@yahoo.ca" >Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:55:37 AM >Subject: Shades of Lizz Wright > > > > >Is this not the most sublime cover ever done of SOSC ? It made me melt... > >http://music.cbc.ca/#/concerts/Joni-A-Portrait-in-Song-presented-by-Luminato-Festival-2013-06-19 > > >Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 12:55:37 +0000 From: Michael quebec Subject: Shades of Lizz Wright Is this not the most sublime cover ever done of SOSC ? It made me melt... http://music.cbc.ca/#/concerts/Joni-A-Portrait-in-Song-presented-by-Luminato- Festival-2013-06-19 Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 12:33:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Luminato Recordings >The band was razor sharp and so well-rehearsed. Tight and loose at the same time. From what I've heard it doesn't sound like they rehearsed all that much. When you're that good, I guess you don't really need to. Miles Davis had a rule on the road: no practicing. If he caught you practicing you were fired. >These will all be included in a future covers volume. Looking forward to it! Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 08:05:04 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Luminato tribute - mp3s Am 29.06.2013 23:29, Wie Catherine McKay so vortrefflich formulierte: > Merde, et merde encore. The link I sent before is wrong. This one > should work: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d5q6sm3ho3noy1o/BUxn57kYjS > > If anyone knows how to save this stuff as wav or flac or aiff or > whatever, and not mp3, please let me know, because basically I just > download things and click buttons, but I have absolutely NO idea what > the hell I'm doing and, if it works, it's only because some tech-head > knew what s/he was doing. The files are stored in mp3 (128 kbps) on the official server which is why you don't really need to record, convert or upload them: http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/A-Case-of-You---Rufus-Wainwright.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/All-I-Want---Rufus-Wainwright.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/Both-Sides-Now---Esperanza-Spalding.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/The-Wolf-That-Lives-in-Lindsey---Lizz-Wright.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/Shades-of-Scarlet---Lizz-Wright.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/If---Liam-Titcomb.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/You-Turn-Me-On-Im-A-Radio---Kathleen-Edwards.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/Coyote---Glen-Hansard.mp3 http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4016/tracks/The-Fiddle-and-the-Drum.mp3 In case there will be more recordings on the CBC site, I will do my best and post the links as soon as possible :)) moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:46:32 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Furry Sings the Blues & Hejira - Joni Mitchell's Jazz Jam Goodness Gracious me - Furry merging into that old' Bossa Beat Box ( or is it a Rhumba Rap Rhythm) known as Hejira. Is it great or simply what can happen when jazz musicians are let out of the box? For me, it's truly horrid with no feel at all other than 'see how many notes I can play in an instant' Jaco must be rolling in his grave. Anita (jazz novice) On 29 Jun 2013, at 14:36, Michael quebec wrote: > Wow, just stumbled on to this amazing version of Furry on Youtube, dating to > 1987. I had never seen this before ! > > August 29, 1987 - Joni is a guest on the premiere of Showtime Coast > to > Coast for a jam super session with host Herbie Hancock (piano), as > well as > Bobby McFerrin (vocals), Wayne Shorter (soprano saxophone), > David Sanborn > (alto saxophone), and Larry Klein (bass guitar). In this > clip, Joni leads > the discussion about Furry Sings The Blues then the jam > begins followed by > Hejira. Cable TV's Showtime Coast To Coast was a > unique performance magazine > series of in-concert performances, > interviews and collaborations hosted by > Herbie Hancock. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IGJyjFhCgkE#at=103 > > Enjoy ! > > Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:09:07 +0000 From: Michael quebec Subject: Furry, 1976 And this, B&W archival footage from 1976, San Fransisco, with Neil Young on harmonica. Heartening and inspiring to see the evolution of this song, and her performances of it through time... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrkLt_umrBY Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 09:50:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Covers 88 - Retro ghost of covers past You have to wonder what some people are thinking when they come up with band names: - - Vinegar Brain - - Luv Handles - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Muller > To: JMDL > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 11:38:42 AM > Subject: Joni Covers 88 - Retro ghost of covers past > > Happy weekend all - here's another blast from cover compilations past - > Volume > 88, and it's truly a mixed bag. ... > > http://goo.gl/CnSEl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:15:40 -0400 From: Barbara Sullivan Subject: RE: Stage dressing The last time I saw her was 2 nights at Pine Knob, MI in '79, with Pat M and Jaco, Kyle. Don't remember any dressin up then, just the BEST music I ever heard!! Have a Grrr8...phenomenal day! BARBEARUH > From: sem8@cornell.edu > To: lawntreader@googlemail.com; tinkersown@ca.rr.com > CC: joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Stage dressing > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 22:07:45 +0000 > > Way back in the 90s when Joni performed at the Gene Autry Theatre, there was an oriental rug, a lamp and a couple of her paintings up (and also a picture of her as Roy Rogers as I recall). Joni does like to interior decorate. > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email:B sem8@cornell.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita G > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:42 PM > To: Steve Dulson > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Stage dressing > > Joni also sat on a sofa up in the stone amphitheatre at Ruby Lake, I seem to recall a lamp there,too, but might be wrong about that Anita > > On 27/06/2013, Steve Dulson wrote: > > Catherine wrote: > > > >>The use of table lamps is > >>also interesting, because they were used on stage at Massey Hall, > >>along with some other living-room type furniture (sofas on the side > >>of the stage for the singers if they wanted to stay on stage, carpets > >>on the floor, chandeliers > >> > >>hanging from the ceiling with drapes behind. It gave the place a sort > >>of homey feel. I guess that was Joni's idea. > > > > They had sofas and (I think) lamps at the Hollywood Bowl tribute, too. > > Interesting. > > > > *************************************************** > > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA > > FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) > > tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:13:13 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #893 From: Canada should issue a coin with Joni's > face on it (Maybe the Queen won't notice?) They did put her on a postage stamp. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:05:51 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Hejira pronunciation I just wanted to add that this has been a really interesting thread for me to follow and think about. It's always fascinating to hear everyone's views about pronunciation, especially as we are such a diverse community from all over the world. I am with you Bob - what a really,really pleasant world to inhabit at times like these! Anita On 27/06/2013, Bob.Muller@fluor.com wrote: > It's really one of the wonderful things about this community - sometimes > we trip over each other trying to help each other out. What a nice world > to inhabit. > > As to the pronunciation, when the LP was being played on the radio (70's > free-form channel WQDR), Jolie the DJ always said "Hey-YARE-uh" so that's > what I called it for years. Like Willy the Shake says, a rose by any other > name... > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:29:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Luminato tribute - mp3s Merde, et merde encore. The link I sent before is wrong. This one should work: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d5q6sm3ho3noy1o/BUxn57kYjS If anyone knows how to save this stuff as wav or flac or aiff or whatever, and not mp3, please let me know, because basically I just download things and click buttons, but I have absolutely NO idea what the hell I'm doing and, if it works, it's only because some tech-head knew what s/he was doing. >________________________________ > From: Catherine McKay >To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST >Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 4:24:53 PM >Subject: Luminato tribute - mp3s > > > >Here's the first batch of the Luminato tribute, converted to mp3 and uploaded to dropbox. Get 'em while you can. > > >Included in this lot are: >The fiddle and the drum - Lizz Wright >Coyote - Glen Hansard >You turn me on - Kathleen Edwards >If - Liam Titcomb >Shades of Scarlett - Lizz Wright >The wold that lives in Lindsey - Lizz Wright >Both Sides Now - Esperanza Spalding >All I want - Rufus W >A case of you - Rufus > > > > > >https://www.dropbox.com/home/Joni%20A%20Portrait%20in%20Song%20presented%20by%20Luminato%20Festival%20CBC%20Radio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:32:57 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Hejira pronunciation OOPS! Don't mean to be toe-stepping. Didn't see that Gary Z beat me to the pronunciation PLUS on his link Joni says Hejira more that one time. You win Gary! Laura :-) ****************Facebook Freebie********************* Get a FREE Cetaphil. single-use sample that will arrive in the next 6-8 weeks. Answer a few questions that choose which sample you prefer. First 50,000. https://www.facebook.com/Cetaphil/app_127709503932081 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:48:19 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: This Rain, This Rain - the lyrics On 27 Jun 2013, at 14:37, Catherine McKay wrote: I can see why Joni would be > attracted to Emily Carr's persona. She sound grouchy but loveable and now I > want to read some of her books. Cath, thanks once again for all this that you're doing. I was very struck by the Emily Carr writings you included which reveal her longing for a soul mate and her looking at the large woman in the shop and wondering just who has the key to a fulfilled life. Where Emily writes: "Does she get more out of life by that sort of stuff than I do with my sort of stuff? I wouldn't change - but who is the wiser woman? who lives fullest and collects the biggest bag full of life? I dunno" I then like the idea of the pool playing, pin ball Queen combining with the artist and song writer that Joni is. The ordinary combining with the extraordinary. Sounds a good balance to me, Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:30:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hejira pronunciation Thanks, Gary. I am struck by how good Joni looks in this video. 1998 was fifteen years ago, so she was 54-55. I think she looks much younger here, but maybe they're using gauzy filters. But, some people stay youthful looking for a long time and then suddenly, almost overnight, start looking their age. Although I think Joni now looks her age, I hope to look that good or to have that kind of energy at 70, if I live that long. The use of table lamps is also interesting, because they were used on stage at Massey Hall, along with some other living-room type furniture (sofas on the side of the stage for the singers if they wanted to stay on stage, carpets on the floor, chandeliers hanging from the ceiling with drapes behind. It gave the place a sort of homey feel. I guess that was Joni's idea. >________________________________ > From: Gary Z. >To: Susan E. McNamara >Cc: "joni@smoe.org" ; "onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org" >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 11:12:09 AM >Subject: Re: Hejira pronunciation > > >Hi Sue, > >Here's a video where Joni talks about Hejira (from "Painting with Words >and Music"). > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA6HGN1crNU > >Best, > >Gary Z. >Detroit > >Susan E. McNamara wrote: >> Wow, Bob, this brings me on a quest to find a video interview where she >> pronounces it. It must be in Woman of Heart and Mind at least. Not sure. I >> was also reminded of the word Haj - another word describing the holy >> pilgrimage to Mecca. >> >> Susan Tierney McNamara >> email: sem8@cornell.edu >> >> From: Robert Sartorius [mailto:bobsart48@aol.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:49 PM >> To: joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org >> Cc: Susan E. McNamara >> Subject: RE: Hejira pronunciation >> >> >> Sue stated: >> >> >> >> "I've always pronounced it Heh-jeer-a ... and I think that's the way Joni >> pronounces it. I've heard many variations so I go with the way she says it." >> >> >> >> I think that's how Joni pronounces it, too, but I cannot pinpoint where I came >> to that conclusion. Can anyone else confirm? As "widely known" here on the >> list, the word does not appear in the song's lyrics - just the title. >> >> >> >> My "bible" (er, dictionary) has been the Random House Unabridged. I own the >> second Edition, which is copyrighted in 1987, and so is now 26 years >> out-of-date. Still, it is a magnificent tome, with exquisite dissertations on >> nuances of related words, to answer essentially every question that has ever >> come up in my conversations. >> >> >> >> Said "bible", inexplicably, does not list as one of its definitions (u.c., >> natch) "a masterpiece album and song by Joni Mitchell". >> >> >> >> They define(d) it as "hegira - def. 2", with a preferred pronunciation of " hi >> JEYE ruh" (i.e., short i in first syllable, long I in second syllable, >> accented). This is the pronunciation that I have used since I first "looked >> it up".The alternate pronunciation is "HEJ uhr uh", short e in first syllable, >> accent on first syllable. The pronunciation of Hegira is the same. >> >> >> >> The primary definition under Hegira (also, hejira) is "Islam. Hijra". The >> second definition is "any flight or journey to a more desirable or congenial >> place". >> >> >> >> Hijra (HIJ ruh) short i in first syllable, accent on first syllable, in turn, >> is 1. The flight of Muhammad from Mecca to Medina to escape persecution A.D. >> 622, regarded as the beginning of the Muslim Era. 2. The Muslim Era itself. >> Also, Hegira, Hijrah (the latter of which is suggested as the Arabic source >> word). >> >> >> >> The Muslim Era is defined as the period since the flight of Muhammad from >> Mecca in AD 622 - also known as Hijra. >> >> >> >> Of course, similar loops could be constructed from any other dictionary, with >> numerous variations, no doubt. And, with the increase in the frequency of >> usage of Islamic terms in written and spoken English over the past 26 years, >> there has no doubt been some evolution since then. >> >> >> >> If this were Joni's name, I would argue that she gets to make the call. [For >> example, my wife's maiden name is Rosenbaum, and she pronounces the last >> syllable as "bomb" - which, it has been decreed, is her prerogative ;-)] But >> Joni admits she stole her title from her dictionary, so it seems to me that >> her dictionary's pronunciation should control, no? All Joni needs to do is to >> produce the one she consulted in 1975, and I will be happy to change the way I >> pronounce Hejira ;-) >> >> >> >> Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:50:31 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Pronunciations :-D On Jun 27, 2013, at 7:45 PM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: > Don't forget perk-u-lators. > > Now playing: Robin and Dave's DVD on the big stereo > > Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 13:36:56 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Hejira pronunciation It's really one of the wonderful things about this community - sometimes we trip over each other trying to help each other out. What a nice world to inhabit. As to the pronunciation, when the LP was being played on the radio (70's free-form channel WQDR), Jolie the DJ always said "Hey-YARE-uh" so that's what I called it for years. Like Willy the Shake says, a rose by any other name... Bob From: "Susan E. McNamara" To: "est86mlm@ameritech.net" , "joni@smoe.org" Date: 06/27/2013 01:09 PM Subject: RE: Hejira pronunciation Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Thanks Laura! We all win!!! :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of est86mlm@ameritech.net Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:33 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Hejira pronunciation OOPS! Don't mean to be toe-stepping. Didn't see that Gary Z beat me to the pronunciation PLUS on his link Joni says Hejira more that one time. You win Gary! 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I cannot believe that she'll be 70 later this year!!! Canada should issue a coin with Joni's face on it (Maybe the Queen won't notice?) Cheers, Barbara In a message dated 6/27/2013 3:06:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org writes: JMDL Digest Thursday, June 27 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 893 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- RE: Ageless Joni [Barbara Sullivan ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:41:57 -0400 From: Barbara Sullivan Subject: RE: Ageless Joni Joni has the most beautiful smile and I love those big horsey- straight teeth too (I always kid that about her to friends). Her sparkling eyes and a facial structure to die for. Hey... remember she is gonna be 70 in November! She is one hell of a good lookin woman!! The uppa-do/ hair-do has to go, that is what is aging to me. She needs to work on that...hahaha That's all folks!! Ada > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:50:09 -0700 > Subject: Ageless Joni > From: betsyblue82@gmail.com > To: joni@smoe.org; anima_rising@yahoo.ca > > Catherine was struck by how good Joni looks in the PWWAM video in 1998. > > I was struck by how ageless she looked when I saw Graham Nash's 1969 photo > a few months ago. Definitely a woman, not a girl, but it's hard to tell > whether she's 20 or 50. > > guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2013/apr/10/graham-nash-best-photograph > > The Luminato makeup artist tweeted a pic of Joni and him backstage. He did > good work. > http://ow.ly/i/2ozlB > > Betsy, appreciating my abundant collagen and lamenting my poor bone > structure. - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #893 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:26:15 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: The Interview / feminism Her statements about feminism bothered me too, Ange. I don't agree with her anti-feminist beliefs. I liked, however, what she said about going toe-to-toe with each man in her life instead of getting "political" about it; that makes sense to me, that we have to be feminists in our personal lives and deal with each individual individually. But "the personal is political" is another statement (not Joan's) I agree with; perhaps for her there is a bigger, starker divide between the personal and the political/public, since her experience of the two is so widely different than it is for someone like me, who has never been in the public eye. She's got a lot of wisdom, our Joan, so I try to remain open-minded to what she says, and think about it a while even if my internal jury remains out. But sometimes she is a little ... hm ... sometimes I just don't agree with her. It sounds to me as if she equates feminism with some radical, hostile, man-hating, man-imitating movement. Was feminism like that once upon a time? Some of it was. And perhaps Joni has lost interest in following feminism as it has changed from the sixties till now. Kate in Sask b?b 1b.b?b 1b.b?b 1b. Stubblejumpin'Gal http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com Follow me on Twitter, which I don't usually remember to update (in spite of good intentions): https://twitter.com/#!/blondiblathers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:50:09 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Ageless Joni Catherine was struck by how good Joni looks in the PWWAM video in 1998. I was struck by how ageless she looked when I saw Graham Nash's 1969 photo a few months ago. Definitely a woman, not a girl, but it's hard to tell whether she's 20 or 50. guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2013/apr/10/graham-nash-best-photograph The Luminato makeup artist tweeted a pic of Joni and him backstage. He did good work. http://ow.ly/i/2ozlB Betsy, appreciating my abundant collagen and lamenting my poor bone structure. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #255 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe