From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #252 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, June 28 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 252 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: elusive instrument used by Joni on Taming the Tiger album and 1998 Painting with words and music, and concert in Bethal NY [] Re: Parker Fly - Fred Walecki [shadows and light ] Re: elusive instrument used by Joni on Taming the Tiger album and 1998 Painting with words and music, and concert in Bethal NY [] Parker Fly - Fred Walecki [kbhla@fastmail.fm] Re: The Interview / feminism [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Interview / feminism [Laura Stanley ] Re: Furry pointing his bony finger [Catherine McKay ] Re: This Rain, This Rain [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Interview / feminism [Shari Eaton ] elusive instrument used by Joni on Taming the Tiger album and 1998 Painting with words and music, and concert in Bethal NY [] Re: Stage dressing [Anita ] Re: YouTube 'Furry' from Luminato [LC Stanley ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:49:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: elusive instrument used by Joni on Taming the Tiger album and 1998 Painting with words and music, and concert in Bethal NY Josh, It's a Parker fly guitar, designed for her by the late Fred Walecki. It's lightweight and works in consort with a synthesizer type of gizmo that holds all her guitar tunings so that she can change tunings with a simple switch of a pedal. Bob ________________________________ From: Josh Eubank To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: elusive instrument used by Joni on Taming the Tiger album and 1998 Painting with words and music, and concert in Bethal NY List, I have been trying to figure this out for years. I have the 1998 concert called Painting with words and music. In it, Joni uses an instrument that I've never heard before. I always just assumed it was a guitar but a friend of mine thinks it's a mandelin although I don't think so. I'm blind, and have been since birth, so I'm really in tune with sound. Whatever this instrument is, I am trying to find it, I really want to see it. So I guess the question for anyone on this list, is what kind of instrument is this. Is it really a mandolin? It doesn't sound like one but I supposed my friend could be right. If it is a guitar, any idea what kind and if it is still made today? I am on the hunt to find this thing hopefully at a local guitar store here in town if possible. Thanks to all for any help, really appreciate it. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:05:42 -0700 From: shadows and light Subject: Re: Parker Fly - Fred Walecki thanks, kakki. yes, fred is doing well. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:56 PM, wrote: > Bob and all, > > Fred Walecki is still with us! He did battle throat cancer several > years ago but recovered and is still involved in the musical instrument > business. Heard through the grapevine that he still makes "house calls" > to maintain Joni's guitars ;-) > > > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:58:05 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: New from Three O'Clock Press's blog New on Three O'Clock Press's page: http://threeoclockpress.com/news/joni-mitchell-and-lgbtq-community ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:51:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: Furry pointing his bony finger That is very awesome!! I love the fact that so many somehow video taped things when video recorders were in short supply. It is fantastic that we can view these videos and see what kind of place Joni went into on that day in Feb 1976. Incidentally there is a beloved local musician here in Memphis that died recently named Sid Selvidge. Per my normal luck he died right around the time I began thinking a lot about Furry and wanting to write something about Joni's visit. I used to see Sid around town all of the time before I had something to seriously talk to him about. Anyhow here is a great video on Furry that Sid left behind. It tells a lot about Memphis and what kind of world Joni stepped into back then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vJZndgXu1I - -Clint ________________________________ From: Catherine McKay To: Barbara Sullivan ; LC Stanley ; "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Furry pointing his bony finger Truly enjoyable! i love the way he put his elbow on the strings. >________________________________ > From: Barbara Sullivan >To: LC Stanley ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 6:32:51 PM >Subject: RE: Furry pointing his bony finger > > >WOW that >was sooo awesme!! Thank you!! > >Have a Grrr8...phenomenal day! > >BARBEARUH > > >> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:00:43 - -0700 >> From: sillyseabird7@yahoo.com >> Subject: Furry pointing his bony finger >> To: joni@smoe.org >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkq55lFm4Ew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 20:09:21 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: elusive instrument used by Joni on Taming the Tiger album and 1998 Painting with words and music, and concert in Bethal NY As far as I know, the only instrument she used was an electric guitar that was hooked up to a Roland VG-8 guitar synthesizer or, as Roland likes to call it, "the worldbs first guitar modeling processor". You can listen to a complete show from 1995 here http://www.mixcloud.com/sinlopez/joni-mitchell-1995-11-06-the-fez-new-york-ny/ which features just the duo of Joni on guitar/VG-8 and Brian Blade on drums. This performance is reviewed here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/print.cfm?id=1127 You can also read more about Joni's use of the VG-8 in the last part of this article: http://jonimitchell.com/Library/view.cfm?id=38 moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:56:22 -0700 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Parker Fly - Fred Walecki Bob and all, Fred Walecki is still with us! He did battle throat cancer several years ago but recovered and is still involved in the musical instrument business. Heard through the grapevine that he still makes "house calls" to maintain Joni's guitars ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:35:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Interview / feminism I think it's one of those cases of her having had to fight her own battles and wondering why other people (women) can't just do this on their own too. I've met women like that and I guess I understand it on some level, but it still bothers me. My former boss didn't think women should get longer maternity leaves or daycare subsidies because she had her child earlier when these things didn't exist, and therefore didn't think other women (or men, for that matter) should get any more than she did. (We have a very good parental leave here in Canada, and it's better than it was when I had my kids, which was still better than it was when she had hers, but I applaud it and see it as an investment in the future: be good to your kids and they'll be good to you when you get old.) Likewise, especially if many of Joni's friends are men, she probably did get the idea that being a feminist naturally means you hate men. (I'm sure she heard that, in jest or not, from her male friends.) Most of us recognize that that's untrue, but something that a lot of men, particularly white men, and particularly those who don't get it (the ones who think that affirmative action means the person who belongs to a minority is going to "take" the job of a white, straight, etc. male, simply because they're not a white, straight, etc. male, or the ones who believe that "immigrants are taking our jobs," when they wouldn't touch a lot of those jobs with a ten-foot pole.) She probably imagines bra-burning, male-bashing harpies sending their male children off to internment camps once they stopped being cute. >________________________________ > From: Ange T >To: Kate Johnson ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 1:55:34 AM >Subject: Re: The Interview / feminism > > >Heya Kate in Sask! >The reason I shared the blog post (written by Meghan Murphy) about >feminism/Joni is that I found some of the points it raised, particularly >about double standards in the music industry relating to Bob Dylan, really >fascinating. Given everything Joni has had to fight for in the music >business, and given her public comments about her struggle, I think it's >fair to say she is a feminist who just refuses to be called a feminist :) > >Sending you sunshine from Oz >Ange >P.S. For those of you who missed the blog link - here it is again: >http://feministcurrent.com/7738/why-joni-mitchells-rejection-of-feminism-brok >e-my-heart-a-little-and-why-im-tired-of-talking-about-beyonce/ > > >On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Kate Johnson wrote: > >> Her statements about feminism bothered me too, Ange. >> I don't agree with her anti-feminist beliefs. >> I liked, however, what she said about going toe-to-toe with each man in >> her life instead of getting "political" about it; that makes sense to me, >> that we have to be feminists in our personal lives and deal with each >> individual individually. But "the personal is political" is another >> statement (not Joan's) I agree with; perhaps for her there is a bigger, >> starker divide between the personal and the political/public, since her >> experience of the two is so widely different than it is for someone like >> me, who has never been in the public eye. >> >> She's got a lot of wisdom, our Joan, so I try to remain open-minded to >> what she says, and think about it a while even if my internal jury remains >> out. >> But sometimes she is a little ... hm ... sometimes I just don't agree with >> her. >> It sounds to me as if she equates feminism with some radical, hostile, >> man-hating, man-imitating movement. Was feminism like that once upon a >> time? >> Some of it was. And perhaps Joni has lost interest in following feminism >> as it has changed from the sixties till now. >> >> Kate in Sask >> >> >> >> >> >> b?b >1b.****b?b >1b.b?b >1b. >> **** >> Stubblejumpin'Gal >> http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com >> >> Follow me on Twitter, which I don't usually remember to update (in spite >> of good intentions): >> https://twitter.com/#!/blondiblathers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:45:17 -0500 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: The Interview / feminism Hi Kate, I don't interpret Joni not being a feminist with being anti-feminist. It seems to me that she is not limited to feminism even though she probably agrees with some feminist ideas. Love, Laura Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Kate Johnson wrote: > Her statements about feminism bothered me too, Ange. > I don't agree with her anti-feminist beliefs. > I liked, however, what she said about going toe-to-toe with each man in her > life instead of getting "political" about it; that makes sense to me, that we > have to be feminists in our personal lives and deal with each individual > individually. But "the personal is political" is another statement (not > Joan's) I agree with; perhaps for her there is a bigger, starker divide > between the personal and the political/public, since her experience of the two > is so widely different than it is for someone like me, who has never been in > the public eye. > > She's got a lot of wisdom, our Joan, so I try to remain open-minded to what > she says, and think about it a while even if my internal jury remains out. > But sometimes she is a little ... hm ... sometimes I just don't agree with > her. > It sounds to me as if she equates feminism with some radical, hostile, > man-hating, man-imitating movement. Was feminism like that once upon a time? > Some of it was. And perhaps Joni has lost interest in following feminism as it > has changed from the sixties till now. > > Kate in Sask > > > > > > b?b > 1b.b?b > 1b.b?b > 1b. > Stubblejumpin'Gal > http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com > > Follow me on Twitter, which I don't usually remember to update (in spite of > good intentions): > https://twitter.com/#!/blondiblathers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:25:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Furry pointing his bony finger Wow! That video you posted is great, too. It really adds more colour and dimension to Joni's story about being "propped up in his bed with his dentures and his leg removed." >________________________________ > From: Clint Norwood >To: Catherine McKay ; Barbara Sullivan ; LC Stanley ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 3:51:34 PM >Subject: Re: Furry pointing his bony finger > > >That is very awesome!! I love the fact that so many somehow video taped things >when video recorders were in short supply. It is fantastic that we can view >these videos and see what kind of place Joni went into on that day in Feb >1976. Incidentally there is a beloved local musician here in Memphis that died >recently named Sid Selvidge. Per my normal luck he died right around the time >I began thinking a lot about Furry and wanting to write something about Joni's >visit. I used to see Sid around town all of the time before I had something to >seriously talk to him about. >Anyhow here is a great video on Furry that Sid >left behind. It tells a lot about Memphis and what kind of world Joni stepped >into back then: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vJZndgXu1I > >-Clint >________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:28:35 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: elusive instrument used by Joni on Taming the Tiger album and 1998 Painting with words and music, and concert in Bethal NY Hi I will be happy to weigh in on this topic when I catch my breath. I am in the process of producing 4 stages for Essence Fest in New Orleans... On Jun 28, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Moni Kellermann wrote: As far as I know, the only instrument she used was an electric guitar that was hooked up to a Roland VG-8 guitar synthesizer or, as Roland likes to call it, "the worldbs first guitar modeling processor". You can listen to a complete show from 1995 here http://www.mixcloud.com/sinlopez/joni-mitchell-1995-11-06-the-fez-new-york-ny / which features just the duo of Joni on guitar/VG-8 and Brian Blade on drums. This performance is reviewed here: http://jonimitchell.com/library/print.cfm?id=1127 You can also read more about Joni's use of the VG-8 in the last part of this article: http://jonimitchell.com/Library/view.cfm?id=38 moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:04:53 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: elusive instrument used by Joni on Taming the Tiger album and 1998 Painting with words and music, and concert in Bethal NY Hi Josh, In 1998 Joni was introduced by Graham Nash to a new invention by Roland called the VG-8 which was a guitar fitted with a special pickup which connected to a digital module where various types of signal processing could be done. Of special interest to her was the tunings, which could be stored. With one click of a footswitch she could switch between stored tunings on the output, while leaving the strings of the guitar at regular tension. Another feature was the ability to have each string trigger different sounds in the module, so for example, a deep bass sound could be triggered by the bottom string and chiming bell-like sounds or pads could be generated by plucking the upper strings. It kept her career going for a few more years after announcing one of her several retirements from the music business, as it circumvented the whole hassle of her multiple tunings on stage. Plus, she liked the pseudo orchestral capabilities the synthesis offered. The successor to the VG8, which is now pretty old technology, is the VG99 and you should be able to buy one, or order one from any Roland dealer. Michael Paz is our resident JMDL VG99 expert. hope that helps, Dave On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Josh Eubank wrote: > List, > > I have been trying to figure this out for years. I have the 1998 concert called Painting with words and music. In it, Joni uses an instrument that I've never heard before. I always just assumed it was a guitar but a friend of mine thinks it's a mandelin although I don't think so. I'm blind, and have been since birth, so I'm really in tune with sound. Whatever this instrument is, I am trying to find it, I really want to see it. So I guess the question for anyone on this list, is what kind of instrument is this. Is it really a mandolin? It doesn't sound like one but I supposed my friend could be right. If it is a guitar, any idea what kind and if it is still made today? I am on the hunt to find this thing hopefully at a local guitar store here in town if possible. Thanks to all for any help, really appreciate it. > Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:18:58 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Parker Fly - Fred Walecki short comment. I think it was Fred that set her up with the VG-8 with a Strat and and then he got her the Parker Fly with a Piezo pick up in it and installed the GK-2a interface on he guitar and kept the weight under 2 1/2 pounds. I met the guy (Gary White) from Roland (at the time) that programmed the VG in her hotel room the night before the Jazz Fest show where she debuted the system. I have a copy of all those patches still. What fun!!! The strat was too heavy for her. I own a Concert Fly and a Deluxe Fly by Parker. I am looking to trade the Deluxe for a Turner Guitar like Lindsay Buckingham plays. Have always loved the sounds he gets from that instrument. More later Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com On Jun 28, 2013, at 2:56 PM, kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: Bob and all, Fred Walecki is still with us! He did battle throat cancer several years ago but recovered and is still involved in the musical instrument business. Heard through the grapevine that he still makes "house calls" to maintain Joni's guitars ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:18:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: This Rain, This Rain By george, I think you've got it! I've listened to both versions and it does sound more like "New York" than "in Europe." I didn't see a problem with Europe earlier, because I thought she was saying that she hates big buildings, but it definitely does sound more like "New York" to me. (And she might still hate big buildings. Also, for what it's worth, Carr spent time in both New York and Europe.) >________________________________ > From: Jamie Zubairi Home >To: Marianne Rizzo ; Catherine McKay >Cc: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:54:32 PM >Subject: Re: This Rain, This Rain > > >Listening to the first night (Catherine's video) and a clearer audio from >the second night I'd like to suggest an amendment to Vincenzo's good work. >There are a few small word differences between the two nights. On the first >night she omits 'Soulless' from 'soulless trees' but both nights I think >she says 'New York' and not 'in Europe'. > >I think it makes more sense that it's New York, with its skyscrapers. I've >never seen Europe (and I guess I mean 'the Continent' ;-) as having many >skyscrapers, certainly not significantly during much of Emily Carr's >lifetime. Much changed now though. > > ... > > All big cities make me sick, > Except New York, I don't know why. > Big buildings stretching up brick by brick. > Like my cedar groves, they > scrape that sky. > It doesn't rain like this back there. > Oh, it rains enough, > just enough to wash the air > and sweep the litter off the street. > But THIS rain, Oh, > This rain will not be beat > >.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:03:14 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: The Interview / feminism She's a freedom freak. No labeling Ms. Joan. If she were going to join a movement she'd have to be the originator of it first. Sent from my Pimped-out Flying Carpet On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Laura Stanley wrote: > Hi Kate, > > I don't interpret Joni not being a feminist with being anti-feminist. It seems to me that she is not limited to feminism even though she probably agrees with some feminist ideas. > > Love, > Laura > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 27, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Kate Johnson wrote: > >> Her statements about feminism bothered me too, Ange. >> I don't agree with her anti-feminist beliefs. >> I liked, however, what she said about going toe-to-toe with each man in her >> life instead of getting "political" about it; that makes sense to me, that we >> have to be feminists in our personal lives and deal with each individual >> individually. But "the personal is political" is another statement (not >> Joan's) I agree with; perhaps for her there is a bigger, starker divide >> between the personal and the political/public, since her experience of the two >> is so widely different than it is for someone like me, who has never been in >> the public eye. >> >> She's got a lot of wisdom, our Joan, so I try to remain open-minded to what >> she says, and think about it a while even if my internal jury remains out. >> But sometimes she is a little ... hm ... sometimes I just don't agree with >> her. >> It sounds to me as if she equates feminism with some radical, hostile, >> man-hating, man-imitating movement. Was feminism like that once upon a time? >> Some of it was. And perhaps Joni has lost interest in following feminism as it >> has changed from the sixties till now. >> >> Kate in Sask >> >> >> >> >> >> b?b >> 1b.b?b >> 1b.b?b >> 1b. >> Stubblejumpin'Gal >> http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com >> >> Follow me on Twitter, which I don't usually remember to update (in spite of >> good intentions): >> https://twitter.com/#!/blondiblathers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:30:23 -0400 From: Josh Eubank Subject: elusive instrument used by Joni on Taming the Tiger album and 1998 Painting with words and music, and concert in Bethal NY List, I have been trying to figure this out for years. I have the 1998 concert called Painting with words and music. In it, Joni uses an instrument that I've never heard before. I always just assumed it was a guitar but a friend of mine thinks it's a mandelin although I don't think so. I'm blind, and have been since birth, so I'm really in tune with sound. Whatever this instrument is, I am trying to find it, I really want to see it. So I guess the question for anyone on this list, is what kind of instrument is this. Is it really a mandolin? It doesn't sound like one but I supposed my friend could be right. If it is a guitar, any idea what kind and if it is still made today? I am on the hunt to find this thing hopefully at a local guitar store here in town if possible. Thanks to all for any help, really appreciate it. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:50:58 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Stage dressing Most interior design books talk about bringing the outdoors indoors, but I haven't seen any talk about bringing the indoors out, as at Ruby Lake and others it seems! Anita On 27 Jun 2013, at 23:07, "Susan E. McNamara" wrote: > Way back in the 90s when Joni performed at the Gene Autry Theatre, there was an oriental rug, a lamp and a couple of her paintings up (and also a picture of her as Roy Rogers as I recall). Joni does like to interior decorate. > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email:B sem8@cornell.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita G > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:42 PM > To: Steve Dulson > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Stage dressing > > Joni also sat on a sofa up in the stone amphitheatre at Ruby Lake, I seem to recall a lamp there,too, but might be wrong about that Anita > > On 27/06/2013, Steve Dulson wrote: >> Catherine wrote: >> >>> The use of table lamps is >>> also interesting, because they were used on stage at Massey Hall, >>> along with some other living-room type furniture (sofas on the side >>> of the stage for the singers if they wanted to stay on stage, carpets >>> on the floor, chandeliers >>> >>> hanging from the ceiling with drapes behind. It gave the place a sort >>> of homey feel. I guess that was Joni's idea. >> >> They had sofas and (I think) lamps at the Hollywood Bowl tribute, too. >> Interesting. >> >> *************************************************** >> Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA >> FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) >> tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:06:32 -0700 (PDT) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: YouTube 'Furry' from Luminato I'm going back thru looking at the Luminato videos. My computer wasn't working right so I couldn't see them very good. Thanks for posting this Mark. Wow. Wow. incredible I hope she sings more. She CAN!!! This is very touching, especially because Little Rock is only a few hours from Memphis, and I know it well. It is a short drive for teenagers from Little Rock to explore the musical history there so I did. The blues. Strange place, Memphis. I know just what she's talking about. I almost went to Toronto and would have gone this night if I could have, but I couldn't get away from the little restaurant we opened. There's got to be a next time for her to sing. I'm so grateful to see this video! Thank you! Love, Laura ________________________________ From: Mark To: joni Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 8:12 PM Subject: YouTube 'Furry' from Luminato Somebody has probably already sent this, but here is the whole performance of 'Furry' with a bit of Joni's story about it at the beginning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qhJHY05rX8 Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #252 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe