From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #251 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, June 28 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 251 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: This Rain, This Rain - the lyrics [Catherine ] Re: This Rain, This Rain [Jamie Zubairi Home ] Stage dressing [Steve Dulson ] RE: Ageless Joni [Barbara Sullivan ] Furry pointing his bony finger [LC Stanley ] RE: Stage dressing ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Hejira pronunciation ["Gary Z." ] RE: Hejira pronunciation ["Susan E. McNamara" ] RE: This Rain, This Rain - the lyrics [Barbara Sullivan ] Re: Stage dressing [Anita G ] Re: Why Furry Now ? & the memory of Furry's Blues [LC Stanley ] Re: Furry pointing his bony finger [Catherine McKay ] Re: Hejira pronunciation ["Gary Z." ] Pronunciations [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Re: The Interview / feminism [Ange T ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 12:22:06 -0400 From: Catherine Subject: Re: This Rain, This Rain - the lyrics It's also reminscent of "Song for Sharon," in its comparison of two lives that take diverging paths, innit? Sent from my cheapo tablet thingy. Anita wrote: >On 27 Jun 2013, at 14:37, Catherine McKay wrote: >I can see why Joni would be >> attracted to Emily Carr's persona. She sound grouchy but loveable and now I >> want to read some of her books. > >Cath, thanks once again for all this that you're doing. I was very struck by the Emily Carr writings you included which reveal her longing for a soul mate and her looking at the large woman in the shop and wondering just who has the key to a fulfilled life. Where Emily writes: > >"Does she get more out of life by that >sort of stuff than I do with my sort of stuff? I wouldn't change - but who is >the wiser woman? who lives fullest and collects the biggest bag full of life? >I dunno" > >I then like the idea of the pool playing, pin ball Queen combining with the artist and song writer that Joni is. The ordinary combining with the extraordinary. Sounds a good balance to me, >Anita ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:54:32 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: This Rain, This Rain Listening to the first night (Catherine's video) and a clearer audio from the second night I'd like to suggest an amendment to Vincenzo's good work. There are a few small word differences between the two nights. On the first night she omits 'Soulless' from 'soulless trees' but both nights I think she says 'New York' and not 'in Europe'. I think it makes more sense that it's New York, with its skyscrapers. I've never seen Europe (and I guess I mean 'the Continent' ;-) as having many skyscrapers, certainly not significantly during much of Emily Carr's lifetime. Much changed now though. Is this the wettest place on earth? My little fire is sputtering. Oh, now my hot water bottle's gone and burst, And I'm mean mad And I'm muttering Soggy biscuits! Balky sheets! The bucket brimming where the canvas leaks. I smack my dogs for muddy feet. Oh, this rain, this rain will not retreat. That painting I made yesterday - Who would want to look at it? It's just a mess! Greens and greys. I threw a stupid book at it. I'd hoped to catch tree-souls in paint. But hope! That's for idiots And saints. My trees Are incomplete. Oh, this rain, this rain will not retreat I wish I had a real good pal, Someone I could stand to listen to. I don't care - guy, gal, Just someone who could stand me too. If I was nicer, less astute, Less compelled to spew the truth... The truth is seldom soft and sweet, And this rain, this rain, Will not retreat, All big cities make me sick, Except New York, I don't know why. Big buildings stretching up brick by brick. Like my cedar groves, they scrape that sky. It doesn't rain like this back there. Oh, it rains enough, just enough to wash the air and sweep the litter off the street. But THIS rain, Oh, This rain will not be beat I wrote this poem for Emily Carr, Though she's been dead for quite some time. Most of these words are hers, But some are mine. I made them rhyme. This rain, This rain, Oh, this rain Jamie Zubairi Actor, Voiceover, Painter, Photographer. Acting Agent: Pelham Associates 01273 323 010 SpotLight Showreel Unbroken Line Upcoming Appearances: *Balinese Dance Performance*, June 13th, City University, Angel *Caged Bird Sing*s July 1st LOST Theatre, Stockwell. Recent work: *Tino Sehgal Unilever Commission "These Associations" *Turbine Hall, Tate Modern *Unbroken Line*' OvalHouse, supported by public funding from the Arts Council of England. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:27:07 +0000 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Stage dressing Catherine wrote: >The use of table lamps is >also interesting, because they were used on stage at Massey Hall, along with >some other living-room type furniture (sofas on the side of the stage for the >singers if they wanted to stay on stage, carpets on the floor, chandeliers >hanging from the ceiling with drapes behind. It gave the place a sort of homey >feel. I guess that was Joni's idea. They had sofas and (I think) lamps at the Hollywood Bowl tribute, too. Interesting. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:41:57 -0400 From: Barbara Sullivan Subject: RE: Ageless Joni Joni has the most beautiful smile and I love those big horsey- straight teeth too (I always kid that about her to friends). Her sparkling eyes and a facial structure to die for. Hey... remember she is gonna be 70 in November! She is one hell of a good lookin woman!! The uppa-do/ hair-do has to go, that is what is aging to me. She needs to work on that...hahaha That's all folks!! Ada > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:50:09 -0700 > Subject: Ageless Joni > From: betsyblue82@gmail.com > To: joni@smoe.org; anima_rising@yahoo.ca > > Catherine was struck by how good Joni looks in the PWWAM video in 1998. > > I was struck by how ageless she looked when I saw Graham Nash's 1969 photo > a few months ago. Definitely a woman, not a girl, but it's hard to tell > whether she's 20 or 50. > > guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2013/apr/10/graham-nash-best-photograph > > The Luminato makeup artist tweeted a pic of Joni and him backstage. He did > good work. > http://ow.ly/i/2ozlB > > Betsy, appreciating my abundant collagen and lamenting my poor bone > structure. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:00:43 -0700 (PDT) From: LC Stanley Subject: Furry pointing his bony finger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkq55lFm4Ew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 22:07:45 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Stage dressing Way back in the 90s when Joni performed at the Gene Autry Theatre, there was an oriental rug, a lamp and a couple of her paintings up (and also a picture of her as Roy Rogers as I recall). Joni does like to interior decorate. Susan Tierney McNamara email:B sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita G Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:42 PM To: Steve Dulson Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Stage dressing Joni also sat on a sofa up in the stone amphitheatre at Ruby Lake, I seem to recall a lamp there,too, but might be wrong about that Anita On 27/06/2013, Steve Dulson wrote: > Catherine wrote: > >>The use of table lamps is >>also interesting, because they were used on stage at Massey Hall, >>along with some other living-room type furniture (sofas on the side >>of the stage for the singers if they wanted to stay on stage, carpets >>on the floor, chandeliers >> >>hanging from the ceiling with drapes behind. It gave the place a sort >>of homey feel. I guess that was Joni's idea. > > They had sofas and (I think) lamps at the Hollywood Bowl tribute, too. > Interesting. > > *************************************************** > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA > FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) > tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:12:09 -0400 From: "Gary Z." Subject: Re: Hejira pronunciation Hi Sue, Here's a video where Joni talks about Hejira (from "Painting with Words and Music"). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA6HGN1crNU Best, Gary Z. Detroit Susan E. McNamara wrote: > Wow, Bob, this brings me on a quest to find a video interview where she > pronounces it. It must be in Woman of Heart and Mind at least. Not sure. I > was also reminded of the word Haj - another word describing the holy > pilgrimage to Mecca. > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > From: Robert Sartorius [mailto:bobsart48@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:49 PM > To: joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org > Cc: Susan E. McNamara > Subject: RE: Hejira pronunciation > > > Sue stated: > > > > "I've always pronounced it Heh-jeer-a ... and I think that's the way Joni > pronounces it. I've heard many variations so I go with the way she says it." > > > > I think that's how Joni pronounces it, too, but I cannot pinpoint where I came > to that conclusion. Can anyone else confirm? As "widely known" here on the > list, the word does not appear in the song's lyrics - just the title. > > > > My "bible" (er, dictionary) has been the Random House Unabridged. I own the > second Edition, which is copyrighted in 1987, and so is now 26 years > out-of-date. Still, it is a magnificent tome, with exquisite dissertations on > nuances of related words, to answer essentially every question that has ever > come up in my conversations. > > > > Said "bible", inexplicably, does not list as one of its definitions (u.c., > natch) "a masterpiece album and song by Joni Mitchell". > > > > They define(d) it as "hegira - def. 2", with a preferred pronunciation of " hi > JEYE ruh" (i.e., short i in first syllable, long I in second syllable, > accented). This is the pronunciation that I have used since I first "looked > it up".The alternate pronunciation is "HEJ uhr uh", short e in first syllable, > accent on first syllable. The pronunciation of Hegira is the same. > > > > The primary definition under Hegira (also, hejira) is "Islam. Hijra". The > second definition is "any flight or journey to a more desirable or congenial > place". > > > > Hijra (HIJ ruh) short i in first syllable, accent on first syllable, in turn, > is 1. The flight of Muhammad from Mecca to Medina to escape persecution A.D. > 622, regarded as the beginning of the Muslim Era. 2. The Muslim Era itself. > Also, Hegira, Hijrah (the latter of which is suggested as the Arabic source > word). > > > > The Muslim Era is defined as the period since the flight of Muhammad from > Mecca in AD 622 - also known as Hijra. > > > > Of course, similar loops could be constructed from any other dictionary, with > numerous variations, no doubt. And, with the increase in the frequency of > usage of Islamic terms in written and spoken English over the past 26 years, > there has no doubt been some evolution since then. > > > > If this were Joni's name, I would argue that she gets to make the call. [For > example, my wife's maiden name is Rosenbaum, and she pronounces the last > syllable as "bomb" - which, it has been decreed, is her prerogative ;-)] But > Joni admits she stole her title from her dictionary, so it seems to me that > her dictionary's pronunciation should control, no? All Joni needs to do is to > produce the one she consulted in 1975, and I will be happy to change the way I > pronounce Hejira ;-) > > > > Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:19:13 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Hejira pronunciation Great Gary!!! Thanks, I think she is saying he-djeer-a ... the d and j kind of meld together ... :) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Gary Z. [mailto:nyro_in_detroit@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 11:12 AM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Re: Hejira pronunciation Hi Sue, Here's a video where Joni talks about Hejira (from "Painting with Words and Music"). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA6HGN1crNU Best, Gary Z. Detroit Susan E. McNamara wrote: Wow, Bob, this brings me on a quest to find a video interview where she pronounces it. It must be in Woman of Heart and Mind at least. Not sure. I was also reminded of the word Haj - another word describing the holy pilgrimage to Mecca. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Robert Sartorius [mailto:bobsart48@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:49 PM To: joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Cc: Susan E. McNamara Subject: RE: Hejira pronunciation Sue stated: "I've always pronounced it Heh-jeer-a ... and I think that's the way Joni pronounces it. I've heard many variations so I go with the way she says it." I think that's how Joni pronounces it, too, but I cannot pinpoint where I came to that conclusion. Can anyone else confirm? As "widely known" here on the list, the word does not appear in the song's lyrics - just the title. My "bible" (er, dictionary) has been the Random House Unabridged. I own the second Edition, which is copyrighted in 1987, and so is now 26 years out-of-date. Still, it is a magnificent tome, with exquisite dissertations on nuances of related words, to answer essentially every question that has ever come up in my conversations. Said "bible", inexplicably, does not list as one of its definitions (u.c., natch) "a masterpiece album and song by Joni Mitchell". They define(d) it as "hegira - def. 2", with a preferred pronunciation of " hi JEYE ruh" (i.e., short i in first syllable, long I in second syllable, accented). This is the pronunciation that I have used since I first "looked it up".The alternate pronunciation is "HEJ uhr uh", short e in first syllable, accent on first syllable. The pronunciation of Hegira is the same. The primary definition under Hegira (also, hejira) is "Islam. Hijra". The second definition is "any flight or journey to a more desirable or congenial place". Hijra (HIJ ruh) short i in first syllable, accent on first syllable, in turn, is 1. The flight of Muhammad from Mecca to Medina to escape persecution A.D. 622, regarded as the beginning of the Muslim Era. 2. The Muslim Era itself. Also, Hegira, Hijrah (the latter of which is suggested as the Arabic source word). The Muslim Era is defined as the period since the flight of Muhammad from Mecca in AD 622 - also known as Hijra. Of course, similar loops could be constructed from any other dictionary, with numerous variations, no doubt. And, with the increase in the frequency of usage of Islamic terms in written and spoken English over the past 26 years, there has no doubt been some evolution since then. If this were Joni's name, I would argue that she gets to make the call. [For example, my wife's maiden name is Rosenbaum, and she pronounces the last syllable as "bomb" - which, it has been decreed, is her prerogative ;-)] But Joni admits she stole her title from her dictionary, so it seems to me that her dictionary's pronunciation should control, no? All Joni needs to do is to produce the one she consulted in 1975, and I will be happy to change the way I pronounce Hejira ;-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:52:01 -0400 From: Barbara Sullivan Subject: RE: This Rain, This Rain - the lyrics I have 2 friends that are profound and quite famous artists!! They are married and Love to play pool?!! Play wkly. I guess that is maybe an relaxing artist thing..just a thought. Have a Grrr8...phenomenal day! BARBEARUH > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 12:22:06 -0400 > Subject: Re: This Rain, This Rain - the lyrics > From: anima_rising@yahoo.ca > To: lawntreader@googlemail.com > CC: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; joni@smoe.org > > It's also reminscent of "Song for Sharon," in its comparison of two lives that take diverging paths, innit? > > Sent from my cheapo tablet thingy. > > Anita wrote: > > >On 27 Jun 2013, at 14:37, Catherine McKay wrote: > >I can see why Joni would be > >> attracted to Emily Carr's persona. She sound grouchy but loveable and now I > >> want to read some of her books. > > > >Cath, thanks once again for all this that you're doing. I was very struck by the Emily Carr writings you included which reveal her longing for a soul mate and her looking at the large woman in the shop and wondering just who has the key to a fulfilled life. Where Emily writes: > > > >"Does she get more out of life by that > >sort of stuff than I do with my sort of stuff? I wouldn't change - but who is > >the wiser woman? who lives fullest and collects the biggest bag full of life? > >I dunno" > > > >I then like the idea of the pool playing, pin ball Queen combining with the artist and song writer that Joni is. The ordinary combining with the extraordinary. Sounds a good balance to me, > >Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:42:05 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: Stage dressing Joni also sat on a sofa up in the stone amphitheatre at Ruby Lake, I seem to recall a lamp there,too, but might be wrong about that Anita On 27/06/2013, Steve Dulson wrote: > Catherine wrote: > >>The use of table lamps is >>also interesting, because they were used on stage at Massey Hall, along >> with >>some other living-room type furniture (sofas on the side of the stage for >> the >>singers if they wanted to stay on stage, carpets on the floor, chandeliers >> >>hanging from the ceiling with drapes behind. It gave the place a sort of >> homey >>feel. I guess that was Joni's idea. > > They had sofas and (I think) lamps at the Hollywood Bowl tribute, > too. Interesting. > > *************************************************** > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA > FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) > tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:57:18 -0700 (PDT) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: Why Furry Now ? & the memory of Furry's Blues Here's Furry singing the blues: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk-hdiyJQ4w ________________________________ From: "est86mlm@ameritech.net" To: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:45 PM Subject: Why Furry Now ? & the memory of Furry's Blues Well, Joni's definitely keeping his memory alive.....each time she sings the song. I wonder if that has anything to do with it or the fact that the song has such an interesting story to tell the audience. Maybe when she looks back on it now ...... even she's impressed by the whole scenario and how it played out. Altho, "easy for her to sing" or speak like Jim L. stated may be more of the real reason. :-) Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:32:51 -0400 From: Barbara Sullivan Subject: RE: Furry pointing his bony finger WOW that was sooo awesme!! Thank you!! Have a Grrr8...phenomenal day! BARBEARUH > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:00:43 -0700 > From: sillyseabird7@yahoo.com > Subject: Furry pointing his bony finger > To: joni@smoe.org > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkq55lFm4Ew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:57:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Furry pointing his bony finger Truly enjoyable! i love the way he put his elbow on the strings. >________________________________ > From: Barbara Sullivan >To: LC Stanley ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 6:32:51 PM >Subject: RE: Furry pointing his bony finger > > >WOW that >was sooo awesme!! Thank you!! > >Have a Grrr8...phenomenal day! > >BARBEARUH > > >> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:00:43 - -0700 >> From: sillyseabird7@yahoo.com >> Subject: Furry pointing his bony finger >> To: joni@smoe.org >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkq55lFm4Ew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:49:42 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Hejira pronunciation Thanks Laura! We all win!!! :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of est86mlm@ameritech.net Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:33 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Hejira pronunciation OOPS! Don't mean to be toe-stepping. Didn't see that Gary Z beat me to the pronunciation PLUS on his link Joni says Hejira more that one time. You win Gary! Laura :-) ****************Facebook Freebie********************* Get a FREE Cetaphil. single-use sample that will arrive in the next 6-8 weeks. Answer a few questions that choose which sample you prefer. First 50,000. https://www.facebook.com/Cetaphil/app_127709503932081 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:12:09 -0400 From: "Gary Z." Subject: Re: Hejira pronunciation Hi Sue, Here's a video where Joni talks about Hejira (from "Painting with Words and Music"). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA6HGN1crNU Best, Gary Z. Detroit Susan E. McNamara wrote: > Wow, Bob, this brings me on a quest to find a video interview where she > pronounces it. It must be in Woman of Heart and Mind at least. Not sure. I > was also reminded of the word Haj - another word describing the holy > pilgrimage to Mecca. > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > From: Robert Sartorius [mailto:bobsart48@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:49 PM > To: joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org > Cc: Susan E. McNamara > Subject: RE: Hejira pronunciation > > > Sue stated: > > > > "I've always pronounced it Heh-jeer-a ... and I think that's the way Joni > pronounces it. I've heard many variations so I go with the way she says it." > > > > I think that's how Joni pronounces it, too, but I cannot pinpoint where I came > to that conclusion. Can anyone else confirm? As "widely known" here on the > list, the word does not appear in the song's lyrics - just the title. > > > > My "bible" (er, dictionary) has been the Random House Unabridged. I own the > second Edition, which is copyrighted in 1987, and so is now 26 years > out-of-date. Still, it is a magnificent tome, with exquisite dissertations on > nuances of related words, to answer essentially every question that has ever > come up in my conversations. > > > > Said "bible", inexplicably, does not list as one of its definitions (u.c., > natch) "a masterpiece album and song by Joni Mitchell". > > > > They define(d) it as "hegira - def. 2", with a preferred pronunciation of " hi > JEYE ruh" (i.e., short i in first syllable, long I in second syllable, > accented). This is the pronunciation that I have used since I first "looked > it up".The alternate pronunciation is "HEJ uhr uh", short e in first syllable, > accent on first syllable. The pronunciation of Hegira is the same. > > > > The primary definition under Hegira (also, hejira) is "Islam. Hijra". The > second definition is "any flight or journey to a more desirable or congenial > place". > > > > Hijra (HIJ ruh) short i in first syllable, accent on first syllable, in turn, > is 1. The flight of Muhammad from Mecca to Medina to escape persecution A.D. > 622, regarded as the beginning of the Muslim Era. 2. The Muslim Era itself. > Also, Hegira, Hijrah (the latter of which is suggested as the Arabic source > word). > > > > The Muslim Era is defined as the period since the flight of Muhammad from > Mecca in AD 622 - also known as Hijra. > > > > Of course, similar loops could be constructed from any other dictionary, with > numerous variations, no doubt. And, with the increase in the frequency of > usage of Islamic terms in written and spoken English over the past 26 years, > there has no doubt been some evolution since then. > > > > If this were Joni's name, I would argue that she gets to make the call. [For > example, my wife's maiden name is Rosenbaum, and she pronounces the last > syllable as "bomb" - which, it has been decreed, is her prerogative ;-)] But > Joni admits she stole her title from her dictionary, so it seems to me that > her dictionary's pronunciation should control, no? All Joni needs to do is to > produce the one she consulted in 1975, and I will be happy to change the way I > pronounce Hejira ;-) > > > > Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 22:45:58 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Pronunciations Don't forget perk-u-lators. Now playing: Robin and Dave's DVD on the big stereo Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:55:34 +1000 From: Ange T Subject: Re: The Interview / feminism Heya Kate in Sask! The reason I shared the blog post (written by Meghan Murphy) about feminism/Joni is that I found some of the points it raised, particularly about double standards in the music industry relating to Bob Dylan, really fascinating. Given everything Joni has had to fight for in the music business, and given her public comments about her struggle, I think it's fair to say she is a feminist who just refuses to be called a feminist :) Sending you sunshine from Oz Ange P.S. For those of you who missed the blog link - here it is again: http://feministcurrent.com/7738/why-joni-mitchells-rejection-of-feminism-brok e-my-heart-a-little-and-why-im-tired-of-talking-about-beyonce/ On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Kate Johnson wrote: > Her statements about feminism bothered me too, Ange. > I don't agree with her anti-feminist beliefs. > I liked, however, what she said about going toe-to-toe with each man in > her life instead of getting "political" about it; that makes sense to me, > that we have to be feminists in our personal lives and deal with each > individual individually. But "the personal is political" is another > statement (not Joan's) I agree with; perhaps for her there is a bigger, > starker divide between the personal and the political/public, since her > experience of the two is so widely different than it is for someone like > me, who has never been in the public eye. > > She's got a lot of wisdom, our Joan, so I try to remain open-minded to > what she says, and think about it a while even if my internal jury remains > out. > But sometimes she is a little ... hm ... sometimes I just don't agree with > her. > It sounds to me as if she equates feminism with some radical, hostile, > man-hating, man-imitating movement. Was feminism like that once upon a > time? > Some of it was. And perhaps Joni has lost interest in following feminism > as it has changed from the sixties till now. > > Kate in Sask > > > > > > b?b 1b.****b?b 1b.b?b 1b. > **** > Stubblejumpin'Gal > http://goldengrainfarm.blogspot.com > > Follow me on Twitter, which I don't usually remember to update (in spite > of good intentions): > https://twitter.com/#!/blondiblathers ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #251 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe