From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #245 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, June 26 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 245 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #835 [Clint Norwood ] RE: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell [Barbara Sullivan] Re: Sample of Sheila Weller's book [Catherine McKay ] Looking for some help on transcription of "This Rain" [Catherine McKay ] Luminato festival ends on a sublime note [Michael quebec Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #835 Hi All and especially Ange in Oz, A month or two ago I became very interested in "Furry Sings the Blues," most specifically I was interested in the actual meeting and how it took place. It made me wish that I could hop back in my time machine when I was in kindergarten and ask my dad to look for a limo on Mosby. I had asked Les to give me access to these forums so I could see if there was any back story. I found it all terrifically interesting. But then I see that Joni has chosen that (to me very dark) song to feature in the Luminato performances and I think WOW!! That song/experience must have meant very much to her. Someone (sorry I am just getting to know you guys) mentioned that in the CBC interview that happened recently, that they wouldn't have been surprised to see Joni point a bony finger at the interviewer and say, "I don't like you." So it has come full circle for the artists. And then Ange in Oz makes reference to the lil' ole Wiki Furry Lewis article that I wrote/edited to let people know that Furry lived next to Beale street in the 60's and early seventies but by the time Joni arrived (Les put this date as Feb 5th, 1976) he had moved to the Mosby residence (mostly for the reasons that Joni cites, that urban renewal was bulldozing everything including Furry's Fourth St apt.) a good deal north from Beale Street. It was flattering to say the least to see Ange cite my own words so I decided to leave being just a spectator on these boards and participate. So here goes, I have a big, burning question for those who know Joni best. That is: Why does Furry Sing the Blues hold such a place in Joni that she goes back to it all of the time and what should it really mean to us? Down and Out in Memphis, Tennessee Clinton Norwood (No One) ________________________________ From: JMDL Digest To: joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:00 AM Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #835 JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 25 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 835 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Mispronounced words [Betsy Blue ] Re: Squelched? [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues [Catherine McKay Subject: Mispronounced words Dave said: Joni is probably not a good source for its pronunciation having heard her way of saying "samba" and "cellulite"! Catherine added: She also says "realtors" strangely. We've had the "clandestine" discussion before too. May I please add the mystery of the 'd' in the middle of Champs Elysees? And President REEgan? Most of the odd pronunciations, I chalk up to Canadian (prairie) dialect or song fit, but those bug me. Betsy - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:52:44 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Squelched? > My feeling is that people will discover her music as time > goes on with or without a Hollywood movie about Joni or > a high profile young singing sensation playing her in it. Actually, what's most likely to happen is that, when Joni passes on (and goddess forbid the thought, but ...), the Biography Channel will quickly finish up whatever it already has in the can (and you know something like that exists, as it exists for just about every performer who's made any sort of an impact) and then, suddenly, lots of people who never before had an interest in Joni's music will "discover" her. > Good musicians who know their stuff are never going to > let Joni's music fade into obscurity. Thank the goddess for that! Lori Idaho - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:16:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues Wow! Well done, you! Either you have a very good memory, or you recorded that whole speech. My memory is absolute crap! I didn't remember most of that story until you retold it. >________________________________ > From: Scott Johnson >To: 'Catherine McKay' ; 'Ange T' ; joni@smoe.org >Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:57:59 PM >Subject: RE: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues > > >All I can add to the "Furry" story is what prompted Joni into stealing the >badges from cops. During the Rolling Thunder Tour, every place they played, >there would be all these cops standing around. They all had bad attitudes >toward cops because of Mayor Daley and the Democratic Convention. - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:35:36 +1000 From: Ange T Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues There's a JMDL facebook page? I'd love to join it if you can send me the details! Thanks to everyone for their insights regarding pronunciation and the Furry story. I'll dig a little deeper online before my interview and hopefully make the JMDL proud when I talk about the song and Joni on air next week! Ange in Oz P.S. Catherine, I'd only seen her Tuesday night performance of the song so I really appreciate you sharing this clip. Loved Joni's descriptions of the decaying state of Beale Street...just wished she'd talked more about old Furry! On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Funny you should ask about the pronunciation. A few of us commented on > that on the Facebook jmdl page. The way Joni pronounces it is the way you > do, Hedge-ear-uh. Jon Pareles pronounced it Hedge-eye-ruh. If you look it > up on a dictionary, you might even find another way or two to pronounce it, > so go with the Joni pronunciation, since it's her song. > > Before Joni sang "Furry" at Massey Hall last week, she told a story about > how she had gone around whatever city she was in at the time, collecting > badges from cops, by flirting with them. She says that, when she got to > Memphis, a cop there (and she mentions he had been one of the cops present > when Martin Luther King was assassinated, or one who arrived on the scene > shortly after) wouldn't give her his badge, but instead offered to drive > her down to Beale Street, where she met Furry Lewis. > > You can hear part of this story on the Youtube link below, where she > describes what it was like on Beale Street at the time, when things were in > ruins. Unfortunately, it doesn't include the part just before that, about > getting badges from cops. Maybe someone else who was there can remember > this story better than I can and can fill in some gaps. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qhJHY05rX8 > > > > > ----- Original Message - ----- > > From: Ange T > > To: "joni@smoe.org" > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:04:36 PM > > Subject: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues > > > > Hey listers, > > I've been asked to do an interview here in Australia on ABC radio. The > > segment is called: Something old, something new, something borrowed, > > something blue. It involves me selecting/playing songs that relate to > those > > themes. > > > > Off the back of Luminato, it seems like the obvious selection for the > > 'blue' themed song would be Furry Sings the Blues (particularly given > > that > > Joni says one of the lyrics she is most proud of is within this song). > But > > before I go on air, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions: > > > > 1. How do I pronounce Hejira? I always pronounced it as "hedge-ear-ra" > > but > > after listening to her Luminato interview, where the interviewer says > > "hedge-eye-ra", I'm now uncertain. I'm wondering if this is a > > 'you say > > tomAYto, I say tomARto' thing... or if there's a correct way of saying > > it. > > > > 2. I was researching Furry online and found this reference on wikipedia: > > > > Joni Mitchell's song, > > "Furry > > Sings the Blues", is about her visit to Furry > > Lewis' apartment and a mostly ruined Beale > > Street on > > February 5th, 1976. Lewis despised the Mitchell song and demanded she pay > > him royalties > > < > > > > Does anyone know the full story of Joni's journey to Beale Street and her > > interactions with Furry? Has she ever answered questions about his > reported > > dislike of her song? Were they friends before she wrote the song? > > > > I never heard anything disrespectful in the lyrics to that song, but now > > I'm wondering whether it's the best choice for this interview. Feel free > > to > > shed some (shadows and) light on this topic. > > > > Thanking you, > > Ange in Oz > > angetakats.com.au - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #835 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 08:45:56 -0400 From: Barbara Sullivan Subject: RE: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell Laura, thanks for the CBC link for future broadcasts. (Joni broadcast July 1 & 8, 2013) Katherine Monks interview with the CBC network was exciting. She really did not want to write a book on Joni, explaining the journey she took., and lovin it. Sounds interesting...so I now have a read for the summer. Regards, Ada > To: sem8@cornell.edu > CC: joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:54:17 -0400 > > Sue, > > I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Rather than the same old same old, there are > many insights into the combination of psychology and the creative process > in general and Joni's in particular. I don't need to read another Joni bio > (until SHE writes an autobio) but this is a great read. > > Bob > > > > > From: "Susan E. McNamara" > To: "est86mlm@ameritech.net" , "joni@smoe.org" > > Date: 06/25/2013 09:40 AM > Subject: RE: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell > Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > > > > When I got back from Luminato I decided to get this book because it had > recently been released on Kindle. I'm only through the first chapter but > I think it's going to be really good. I'll have to go back in the > archives to see how the list reacted to it at the time of its release. > Speaking of archives, she keeps saying in this interview, "when I looked > back at the archives ..." which I'm sure meant the article database on > jm.com. Thank you again, Les Irvin. :-) > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > est86mlm@ameritech.net > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:28 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell > > Ran across this very thought-provoking interview with Katherine Monk. > > http://www.cbc.ca/player/Radio/Local+Shows/British+Columbia/Radio+West/ID/228 9036482/?page=14 > > > Laura > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:10:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Sample of Sheila Weller's book It has been a few years since I read it. I do recall being somewhat thrown off by the writing style in the beginning but, after a chapter or two, I got into it and enjoyed the book quite a lot. >________________________________ > From: "jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com" >To: JMDL >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:51:34 PM >Subject: Sample of Sheila Weller's book > > >"The album, which went platinum, gave Carly a Top 10 hit with the bouncy, >torch, loving You Belong To Me, which she cowrote with Michael McDonald, and >which, like so many of her songs - including another on the album, In A Small >Moment(and In Times When My Head, in the previous one) - was about cheating, >jealousy, and temptation: the adult preoccupations she had witnessed in her >childhood and which were dancing around the corners of her current life." > >Pat Boland posted a very long excerpt, of which this is a part, on Facebook. >That is all one sentence! It has ten commas, two hyphens, and a parenthetical >phrase for good measure. Oh, plus a colon. > >It "scans" like it was dictated, transcribed, and published in a day. > >I have not read Sheila's book. Among those who have read it, what do you >think? > >Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:04:40 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell I must say I'm rather baffled by Joni's claim that Paul Simon copied her too-many-syllables-in-a-line style, so she felt she therefore had to abandon it as it was no longer her sole province. This claim, which she states as fact, seems on reflection to be rather preposterous. Joni freely incorporated HER influences into her writing, from slack key open tunings to sax player phrasing. Isn't that how artists work, processing their influences and environment into their art. I wonder which Paul Simon material she refers to: one song, a whole album, or everything he wrote after succumbing to her influence? I wonder what he would have to say about this claim. He was himself an artist who extended popular song conventions. Dave p.s now if she had said Paul Simon copied her idea of writing freewheeling songs over an African groove, ten years after she had done it, I might agree. On Jun 26, 2013, at 6:35 AM, "Susan E. McNamara" wrote: > I think I made a convert at work. He was not sure who Joni was and since everyone was talking about my trip to Toronto, he pulled up Joni on Pandora and ran over to my desk to tell me how he was really enjoying the music, and also the other artists that came up with her (Pandora currently pulls Paul Simon, Simon & Garfunkel, Cat Stevens and all iterations of CSNY, which I think is fascinating given her comment about Paul Simon at Luminato). We chatted about her for about 20 minutes, and I think he is becoming aware!! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:53:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Clint Norwood Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #835 Hi All and especially Ange in Oz, A month or two ago I became very interested in "Furry Sings the Blues," most specifically I was interested in the actual meeting and how it took place. It made me wish that I could hop back in my time machine when I was in kindergarten and ask my dad to look for a limo on Mosby. I had asked Les to give me access to these forums so I could see if there was any back story. I found it all terrifically interesting. But then I see that Joni has chosen that (to me very dark) song to feature in the Luminato performances and I think WOW!! That song/experience must have meant very much to her. Someone (sorry I am just getting to know you guys) mentioned that in the CBC interview that happened recently, that they wouldn't have been surprised to see Joni point a bony finger at the interviewer and say, "I don't like you." So it has come full circle for the artists. And then Ange in Oz makes reference to the lil' ole Wiki Furry Lewis article that I wrote/edited to let people know that Furry lived next to Beale street in the 60's and early seventies but by the time Joni arrived (Les put this date as Feb 5th, 1976) he had moved to the Mosby residence (mostly for the reasons that Joni cites, that urban renewal was bulldozing everything including Furry's Fourth St apt.) a good deal north from Beale Street. It was flattering to say the least to see Ange cite my own words so I decided to leave being just a spectator on these boards and participate. So here goes, I have a big, burning question for those who know Joni best. That is: Why does Furry Sing the Blues hold such a place in Joni that she goes back to it all of the time and what should it really mean to us? Down and Out in Memphis, Tennessee Clinton Norwood (No One) ________________________________ From: JMDL Digest To: joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:00 AM Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #835 JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 25 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 835 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Mispronounced words [Betsy Blue ] Re: Squelched? [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues [Catherine McKay Subject: Mispronounced words Dave said: Joni is probably not a good source for its pronunciation having heard her way of saying "samba" and "cellulite"! Catherine added: She also says "realtors" strangely. We've had the "clandestine" discussion before too. May I please add the mystery of the 'd' in the middle of Champs Elysees? And President REEgan? Most of the odd pronunciations, I chalk up to Canadian (prairie) dialect or song fit, but those bug me. Betsy - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:52:44 -0600 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Re: Squelched? > My feeling is that people will discover her music as time > goes on with or without a Hollywood movie about Joni or > a high profile young singing sensation playing her in it. Actually, what's most likely to happen is that, when Joni passes on (and goddess forbid the thought, but ...), the Biography Channel will quickly finish up whatever it already has in the can (and you know something like that exists, as it exists for just about every performer who's made any sort of an impact) and then, suddenly, lots of people who never before had an interest in Joni's music will "discover" her. > Good musicians who know their stuff are never going to > let Joni's music fade into obscurity. Thank the goddess for that! Lori Idaho - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:16:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues Wow! Well done, you! Either you have a very good memory, or you recorded that whole speech. My memory is absolute crap! I didn't remember most of that story until you retold it. >________________________________ > From: Scott Johnson >To: 'Catherine McKay' ; 'Ange T' ; joni@smoe.org >Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:57:59 PM >Subject: RE: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues > > >All I can add to the "Furry" story is what prompted Joni into stealing the >badges from cops. During the Rolling Thunder Tour, every place they played, >there would be all these cops standing around. They all had bad attitudes >toward cops because of Mayor Daley and the Democratic Convention. - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:35:36 +1000 From: Ange T Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues There's a JMDL facebook page? I'd love to join it if you can send me the details! Thanks to everyone for their insights regarding pronunciation and the Furry story. I'll dig a little deeper online before my interview and hopefully make the JMDL proud when I talk about the song and Joni on air next week! Ange in Oz P.S. Catherine, I'd only seen her Tuesday night performance of the song so I really appreciate you sharing this clip. Loved Joni's descriptions of the decaying state of Beale Street...just wished she'd talked more about old Furry! On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Funny you should ask about the pronunciation. A few of us commented on > that on the Facebook jmdl page. The way Joni pronounces it is the way you > do, Hedge-ear-uh. Jon Pareles pronounced it Hedge-eye-ruh. If you look it > up on a dictionary, you might even find another way or two to pronounce it, > so go with the Joni pronunciation, since it's her song. > > Before Joni sang "Furry" at Massey Hall last week, she told a story about > how she had gone around whatever city she was in at the time, collecting > badges from cops, by flirting with them. She says that, when she got to > Memphis, a cop there (and she mentions he had been one of the cops present > when Martin Luther King was assassinated, or one who arrived on the scene > shortly after) wouldn't give her his badge, but instead offered to drive > her down to Beale Street, where she met Furry Lewis. > > You can hear part of this story on the Youtube link below, where she > describes what it was like on Beale Street at the time, when things were in > ruins. Unfortunately, it doesn't include the part just before that, about > getting badges from cops. Maybe someone else who was there can remember > this story better than I can and can fill in some gaps. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qhJHY05rX8 > > > > > ----- Original Message - ----- > > From: Ange T > > To: "joni@smoe.org" > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:04:36 PM > > Subject: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues > > > > Hey listers, > > I've been asked to do an interview here in Australia on ABC radio. The > > segment is called: Something old, something new, something borrowed, > > something blue. It involves me selecting/playing songs that relate to > those > > themes. > > > > Off the back of Luminato, it seems like the obvious selection for the > > 'blue' themed song would be Furry Sings the Blues (particularly given > > that > > Joni says one of the lyrics she is most proud of is within this song). > But > > before I go on air, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions: > > > > 1. How do I pronounce Hejira? I always pronounced it as "hedge-ear-ra" > > but > > after listening to her Luminato interview, where the interviewer says > > "hedge-eye-ra", I'm now uncertain. I'm wondering if this is a > > 'you say > > tomAYto, I say tomARto' thing... or if there's a correct way of saying > > it. > > > > 2. I was researching Furry online and found this reference on wikipedia: > > > > Joni Mitchell's song, > > "Furry > > Sings the Blues", is about her visit to Furry > > Lewis' apartment and a mostly ruined Beale > > Street on > > February 5th, 1976. Lewis despised the Mitchell song and demanded she pay > > him royalties > > < > > > > Does anyone know the full story of Joni's journey to Beale Street and her > > interactions with Furry? Has she ever answered questions about his > reported > > dislike of her song? Were they friends before she wrote the song? > > > > I never heard anything disrespectful in the lyrics to that song, but now > > I'm wondering whether it's the best choice for this interview. Feel free > > to > > shed some (shadows and) light on this topic. > > > > Thanking you, > > Ange in Oz > > angetakats.com.au - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #835 ***************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:51:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Looking for some help on transcription of "This Rain" I'm looking for some help from anyone inclined to do so in transcribing the words to "This rain". Must have some combination of good will, good hearing, good sleuthing skills, magical abilities, etc., and the time to listen a few times. If anyone cares to help me out, please check out the following link, where I've uploaded the mp3 version of the Tuesday Massey Hall reading as well as a text document of what I've been able to decipher thus far AND the Emily Carr text on which Joni based this poem. If you care to participate in this crowd-sourcing venture, please reply to me privately with your thoughts on just what the heck you think Joni is saying, especially in the parts where I've got question marks. If we run into cases of people interpreting wording differently, the different versions will be posted and then there will be an arm-wrestling contest to see who wins.The sound quality isn't the greatest. If need be, we'll just wait for CBC to post this, since their version can't help but be better than mine. Cheers and thanks in advance! Here's the link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/oqpjbfaum9oq69h/2QYTiaE6hG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 09:05:02 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Sample of Sheila Weller's book I have not read Sheila's book. Among those who have read it, what do you think?> I enjoyed it a lot, given it's publicity I would say it's a MUST read for Joni fans. I read it twice, the first time just reading the Joni parts, the 2nd time reading it all the way through. Lots of new details about Joni and FOR ME a ton of detail about Carly and Carole, both of whom I'm familiar with (and I have both of the records referenced in your quote) but did not know the nitty gritty about their lives. Seems like all 3 of them had a tough time with relationships, in some cases made bad choices, in other cases couldn't make good choices work. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 17:46:16 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: "Squelched" chatter On 24/06/2013, Catherine McKay wrote: . I fear that Joni might be someone who > judges too quickly I am sure there's a fair bit in that, Catherine. I quite enjoyed Joni's sub text that 'beautiful cheekbones' couldn't possibly capture the complexities of her story, the 'you couldn't possibly capture what was going on in my life in your movie' approach. At the same time, I know some kids who really are big fans of Taylor Swift and it may well have been an opportunity to open a small window into those times. How great it would have been for the kids that I know to find the music of Joni Mitchell. Maybe she just wants the whole movie about herself and not share space with Carly and Carol, Anita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:42:10 +0000 From: Michael quebec Subject: Luminato festival ends on a sublime note An excerpt from an article by Martin Knelman, published in the Toronto Star, Monday June 24, 2013. ...But when it came to creating mass euphoria, crowning the festival was the superb Joni Mitchell tribute concert, which filled Massey Hall for two consecutive nights, and will go down as one of the key "you had to be there" occasions in Toronto entertainment history.... Good God, I am so greatful I was able to attend and celebrate. Michael in Quebec, just home from Toronto. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #245 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe