From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #243 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, June 26 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 243 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell ["Susan E. McNama] Re: pronunciations ["Paul Ivice" ] RE: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues ["Scott Johnson" ] Luminato audio re-broadcast [Les Irvin ] New Library item: Sandra Bernhard: Still Outrageous After All These Years [TheStaff@JoniMitchell.] RE: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell ["Susan E. McNama] RE: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell [Bob.Muller@Fluor] Re: pronunciations [Bob Muller ] RE: Luminato audio re-broadcast ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Gathered Light book giveaway contest ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Sample of Sheila Weller's book [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Re: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell [Shari Eaton Subject: RE: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell Yes, I'm very much into it now, since I'm still on my Luminato high!!! Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:54 AM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell Sue, I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Rather than the same old same old, there are many insights into the combination of psychology and the creative process in general and Joni's in particular. I don't need to read another Joni bio (until SHE writes an autobio) but this is a great read. Bob From: "Susan E. McNamara" To: "est86mlm@ameritech.net" , "joni@smoe.org" Date: 06/25/2013 09:40 AM Subject: RE: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org When I got back from Luminato I decided to get this book because it had recently been released on Kindle. I'm only through the first chapter but I think it's going to be really good. I'll have to go back in the archives to see how the list reacted to it at the time of its release. Speaking of archives, she keeps saying in this interview, "when I looked back at the archives ..." which I'm sure meant the article database on jm.com. Thank you again, Les Irvin. :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of est86mlm@ameritech.net Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:28 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell Ran across this very thought-provoking interview with Katherine Monk. http://www.cbc.ca/player/Radio/Local+Shows/British+Columbia/Radio+West/ID/2289036482/?page=14 Laura - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 23:15:01 +0000 From: "Paul Ivice" Subject: Re: pronunciations Perhaps what I should have said is that I don't think any of Joni's so-called mispronunciations are aacidental., but are for artistic effect and, thus, should not be considered "wrong," but merely odd, strange or unusual. Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE - ------Original Message------ From: Bob Muller To: "Paul Ivice" ,"JMDL" Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:07:47 PM GMT-0700 Subject: Re: pronunciations B Negative. It's a discussion list and everything is worthy of discussion, especially topics involving Joni. Besides, I seem to recall you making a big to-do over the "clandestine" issue way back when so you're in your glass house throwing stones here, Paul. B Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:07:38 -0400 From: "Scott Johnson" Subject: RE: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues Catherine, My brain is a sieve, so I did record it. When I was told by those official looking people to put my camera away and not take any photos, I did what any self - respecting JMDLer would do -- I took out my recording device. Unfortunately, I was limited to audio only and it's not very clear. There is a lot of static. I was hoping to get a clear sounding "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow." Jody - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 11:17 PM To: Scott Johnson; 'Ange T'; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues Wow! Well done, you! Either you have a very good memory, or you recorded that whole speech. My memory is absolute crap! I didn't remember most of that story until you retold it. _____ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:38:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: pronunciations From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues I'm sure Joni doesn't pronounce it correctly and am willing to bet most of us can't, but, if it's her song and album, I'd pronounce it her way, or maybe explain that you disagree with her pronunciation because of the reasons you gave. She also says "realtors" strangely (real-a-tors or something like that.) I don't remember how she says "samba" but I think she says "cellulate" for "cellulite." We've had the "clandestine" discussion before too. Ah well, no one's perfect! I wonder whether she has ever used "nuclear" in a song? - - ----- Original Message ----- > p.s my band performs this abum in November so it will be nice to be able to > pronounce it correctly. Joni is probably not a good source for its pronunciation > having heard her way of saying "samba" and "cellulite"! Joni also makes "school" rhyme with "jewel" by singing it as scoo-well in For Free. It's called poetic license and really isn't worth a whole lot of discussion. Paul Ivice ;>) P.S. The three most frequently mispronounced words in the English language are Realtor (real-a-tor), nuclear (nucular) and jewelry (jewlery). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:47:59 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Luminato audio re-broadcast Joniphiles - According to the Luminato PR co-ordinator, last Tuesday evening's event with Joni is being broadcast on CBC Radio in 2 parts - on July 1 and July 8. She "believes" that this will be entirely the Tuesday night performance. More if I hear more.... Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:26:50 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Sandra Bernhard: Still Outrageous After All These Years Title: Sandra Bernhard: Still Outrageous After All These Years Publication: Times Square Chronicles Date: 2013.3.12 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2610 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:32:33 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell When I got back from Luminato I decided to get this book because it had recently been released on Kindle. I'm only through the first chapter but I think it's going to be really good. I'll have to go back in the archives to see how the list reacted to it at the time of its release. Speaking of archives, she keeps saying in this interview, "when I looked back at the archives ..." which I'm sure meant the article database on jm.com. Thank you again, Les Irvin. :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of est86mlm@ameritech.net Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:28 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell Ran across this very thought-provoking interview with Katherine Monk. http://www.cbc.ca/player/Radio/Local+Shows/British+Columbia/Radio+West/ID/2289036482/?page=14 Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:54:17 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell Sue, I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Rather than the same old same old, there are many insights into the combination of psychology and the creative process in general and Joni's in particular. I don't need to read another Joni bio (until SHE writes an autobio) but this is a great read. Bob From: "Susan E. McNamara" To: "est86mlm@ameritech.net" , "joni@smoe.org" Date: 06/25/2013 09:40 AM Subject: RE: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org When I got back from Luminato I decided to get this book because it had recently been released on Kindle. I'm only through the first chapter but I think it's going to be really good. I'll have to go back in the archives to see how the list reacted to it at the time of its release. Speaking of archives, she keeps saying in this interview, "when I looked back at the archives ..." which I'm sure meant the article database on jm.com. Thank you again, Les Irvin. :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of est86mlm@ameritech.net Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:28 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell Ran across this very thought-provoking interview with Katherine Monk. http://www.cbc.ca/player/Radio/Local+Shows/British+Columbia/Radio+West/ID/2289036482/?page=14 Laura - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:07:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: pronunciations Negative. It's a discussion list and everything is worthy of discussion, especially topics involving Joni. Besides, I seem to recall you making a big to-do over the "clandestine" issue way back when so you're in your glass house throwing stones here, Paul. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:11:22 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Luminato audio re-broadcast Interesting! There was A LOT of energy on Tuesday night, even though Herbie was not there. Cool! Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:48 PM To: Joni List Subject: Luminato audio re-broadcast Joniphiles - According to the Luminato PR co-ordinator, last Tuesday evening's event with Joni is being broadcast on CBC Radio in 2 parts - on July 1 and July 8. She "believes" that this will be entirely the Tuesday night performance. More if I hear more.... Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:31:59 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Gathered Light book giveaway contest In case you haven't gotten a copy yet, there is a giveaway contest on Goodreads http://alturl.com/hfaic http://www.goodreads.com/giveaway/show/56881-gathered-light-the-poetry-of-jo ni-mitchell-s-songs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:43:36 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Behind the scenes with Joni Mitchell at Luminato Festival 2013 Title: Behind the scenes with Joni Mitchell at Luminato Festival 2013 Publication: CBC Music Date: 2013.6.20 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2611 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:34:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: pronunciations If people want to discuss something, they will. Anyone else can just scroll on by. >________________________________ > From: Paul Ivice >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:38:48 PM >Subject: pronunciations > > > >Joni also makes "school" rhyme with "jewel" by singing it as scoo-well in For >Free. >It's called poetic license and really isn't worth a whole lot of discussion. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:15:07 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues I've always pronounced it Heh-jeer-a ... and I think that's the way Joni pronounces it. I've heard many variations so I go with the way she says it. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ange T Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:05 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues Hey listers, I've been asked to do an interview here in Australia on ABC radio. The segment is called: Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. It involves me selecting/playing songs that relate to those themes. Off the back of Luminato, it seems like the obvious selection for the 'blue' themed song would be Furry Sings the Blues (particularly given that Joni says one of the lyrics she is most proud of is within this song). But before I go on air, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions: 1. How do I pronounce Hejira? I always pronounced it as "hedge-ear-ra" but after listening to her Luminato interview, where the interviewer says "hedge-eye-ra", I'm now uncertain. I'm wondering if this is a 'you say tomAYto, I say tomARto' thing... or if there's a correct way of saying it. 2. I was researching Furry online and found this reference on wikipedia: Joni Mitchell 's song, "Furry Sings the Blues", (on her *Hejira * album ) is about her visit to Furry Lewis' apartment and a mostly ruined Beale Street on February 5th, 1976. Lewis despised the Mitchell song and demanded she pay him royalties .[4] Does anyone know the full story of Joni's journey to Beale Street and her interactions with Furry? Has she ever answered questions about his reported dislike of her song? Were they friends before she wrote the song? I never heard anything disrespectful in the lyrics to that song, but now I'm wondering whether it's the best choice for this interview. Feel free to shed some (shadows and) light on this topic. Thanking you, Ange in Oz angetakats.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:44:43 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Squelched? Yeah, Mark!! I have faith that civilization will be ok, and creative genius will still be appreciated, but then I'm a hopeless optimist!! :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 9:33 PM To: Lori Renee Fye; Phyliss S Ward Cc: Anita G; Catherine McKay; JMDL Subject: Re: Squelched? I agree completely, Lori. Putting up with or tolerating, I don't see Joni doing either one. But does Joni really have the clout to squelch an already green-lighted movie? Or was the movie ever green-lighted? And was it the 'Girls Like Us' movie she was referring to or another project? I haven't listened to the TimesTalk interview yet so I don't know but I haven't read anything more specific than that she told a producer that a movie about her would be a piece of shit. Personally, I find the thought of Joni Mitchell saying that to a movie producer to be highly amusing. 'Kiss my ass, I said, and I threw my drink'. My feeling is that people will discover her music as time goes on with or without a Hollywood movie about Joni or a high profile young singing sensation playing her in it. Good musicians who know their stuff are never going to let Joni's music fade into obscurity. Bob Muller's collection of covers is ample proof of that. And I'm with Sue. I believe people will be studying her music in 500 years, providing there are still civilized humans in 500 years. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Lori Renee Fye Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 3:00 PM To: Phyliss S Ward Cc: Anita G ; Catherine McKay ; JMDL Subject: Re: Squelched? And that was a cross between "putting up with" and "tolerating." Sheesh. I can't imagine Joni putting tolerating a film about her life while she's > still living. > > Lori > Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:51:34 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Sample of Sheila Weller's book "The album, which went platinum, gave Carly a Top 10 hit with the bouncy, torch, loving You Belong To Me, which she cowrote with Michael McDonald, and which, like so many of her songs - including another on the album, In A Small Moment(and In Times When My Head, in the previous one) - was about cheating, jealousy, and temptation: the adult preoccupations she had witnessed in her childhood and which were dancing around the corners of her current life." Pat Boland posted a very long excerpt, of which this is a part, on Facebook. That is all one sentence! It has ten commas, two hyphens, and a parenthetical phrase for good measure. Oh, plus a colon. It "scans" like it was dictated, transcribed, and published in a day. I have not read Sheila's book. Among those who have read it, what do you think? Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:39:18 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: VIDEO: Joni: The Creative Odyssey of Joni Mitchell Hi Laura, This was a great listen for a few reasons  It answers what was unanswerable to me beforehow could anyone, aware of her work, not be a Joni fan? I think my Mom hears Joni the same way this writer did.  There's more depth to Joni's writing than I knew of. More to explore! Thank you so much for the link. Shari On Jun 23, 2013, at 10:27 AM, est86mlm@ameritech.net wrote: > Ran across this very thought-provoking interview with Katherine Monk. > > http://www.cbc.ca/player/Radio/Local+Shows/British+Columbia/Radio+West/ID/228 9036482/?page=14 > > Laura ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #243 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe