From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #241 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, June 25 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 241 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Mispronounced words [David Marine ] Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues, Joni's pronunciation [Cat] Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues [Laura Stanley ] Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues, Joni's pronunciation [Laur] Re: Mispronounced words [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni at Luminato [Anita ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #237 [Anita G ] Re: Joni at Luminato [Michael quebec ] Joni Mitchell Waxes Poetic on Emily Carr at Luminato Birthday Tribute - article [Catherine McKay ] Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues [Ange T ] Rolling Stone article on TimesTalks and squelching [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Mispronounced words Hey List, I'm confused. The pronunciation of clandestine, obviously, is a rhyming thing, like schools and jewels. Her pronunciation of "samba" in Dreamland is the standard English pronunciation. I hear no "d" in Champs-Ilysies, though the syllables are stressed in an odd way. And as for Hejira, I can't see how it's possible for her to mispronounce the name of her own album, any more than it would be possible for her to mispronounce her name. Best, David On Jun 25, 2013, at 3:00 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > Subject: Mispronounced words > > Dave said: > Joni is probably not a good source for its pronunciation having heard her > way of saying "samba" and "cellulite"! > > Catherine added: > She also says "realtors" strangely. We've had the "clandestine" discussion > before too. > > May I please add the mystery of the 'd' in the middle of Champs Elysees? > And President REEgan? Most of the odd pronunciations, I chalk up to > Canadian (prairie) dialect or song fit, but those bug me. > > Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 06:17:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues, Joni's pronunciation with Champs Elysees, just use a z sound instead of the d sound as Joni sings it. No need to try to sound French. And speaking of "ain't", I've always found it weird that people who don't say "ain't" use it in song lyrics. Similarly, people who wouldn't say "walkin' and talkin'" in speech will sing that way with no problem. That's one of the strange things about the popular song! I'm not talking about taking a song that someone else wrote and correcting the English (although that could be hilarious), but about people that gots a good eddication, who write their own songs and suddenly start soundin' like they ain't had much schoolin'. >________________________________ > From: Laura Stanley >To: Dave Blackburn >Cc: Ange T ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 8:25:37 AM >Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues, Joni's pronunciation > > > >In preparation to perform Free Man in Paris at the Jonifest in 2003, I asked a French friend to help me with the pronunciation of Champs ElysC)es. It ain't the same as in the song. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 07:34:39 -0500 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues I wonder if she still has her badge collection? Mine was car hood ornaments, but there was no flirting, only twisting. Mine is long gone. The only one I miss was a Cadillac one that I turned into a belt buckle for my pot leaf decorated hippie belt. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 7:57 PM, "Scott Johnson" wrote: > All I can add to the "Furry" story is what prompted Joni into stealing the > badges from cops. During the Rolling Thunder Tour, every place they played, > there would be all these cops standing around. They all had bad attitudes > toward cops because of Mayor Daley and the Democratic Convention. She > mentioned the footage of here come the cops and here come the hippies. The > hippies were with candles singing, "We shall overcome" at a peaceful > demonstration and then they collided. She saw it live on television where > the cops just started bashing in heads with billy clubs. It was a revelation > for her generation of what was happening in America. Several years after > that, the image stuck with her. Now there were all these cops standing > around and she decided, "out of boredom really, to rip off cops. It was a > psychological thriller." She would flirt with them for their badges. Only > one New York cop said she was crazy. Most of the cops went along with the > spirit of it. When she left Rolling Thunder, she proceeded on her own. In > Memphis, she met the cop Catherine mentioned. She tried to make a deal with > him -- his badge for a ride in her limo to the record store. That's when he > took her to Beale Street instead. > > During the Tuesday night concert, she began speaking the lyrics: > > "Old Beale Street is coming down > Sweeties' Snack Bar, boarded up now > And Egles The Tailor and the Shine Boy's gone > > Then she began to SING: > > "Faded out with Ragtime blues..........." > > I'll tell you, I was sitting next to Patti P. and we both gasped and the > tears started to flow. You could hear the audience at that moment gasp as > well. We both had chills. I wasn't at Wednesdays show, but I think we were > treated to Joni's first *back to singing* moment. It was an opening night > after years of not performing, when she wasn't quite sure what the > audience's reaction would be, or if she could actually sing well enough by > her standards. I'll be forever grateful to have been in the audience, just > at that moment of the world. I'm reminded of what Mark wrote in his parody, > > "As we dreamed of songs she might sing > She spoke words but her voice broke free" > > Jody > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Catherine McKay > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:36 PM > To: Ange T; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues > > Funny you should ask about the pronunciation. A few of us commented on that > on the Facebook jmdl page. The way Joni pronounces it is the way you do, > Hedge-ear-uh. Jon Pareles pronounced it Hedge-eye-ruh. If you look it up on > a dictionary, you might even find another way or two to pronounce it, so go > with the Joni pronunciation, since it's her song. > > Before Joni sang "Furry" at Massey Hall last week, she told a story about > how she had gone around whatever city she was in at the time, collecting > badges from cops, by flirting with them. She says that, when she got to > Memphis, a cop there (and she mentions he had been one of the cops present > when Martin Luther King was assassinated, or one who arrived on the scene > shortly after) wouldn't give her his badge, but instead offered to drive her > down to Beale Street, where she met Furry Lewis. > > You can hear part of this story on the Youtube link below, where she > describes what it was like on Beale Street at the time, when things were in > ruins. Unfortunately, it doesn't include the part just before that, about > getting badges from cops. Maybe someone else who was there can remember this > story better than I can and can fill in some gaps. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qhJHY05rX8 > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ange T >> To: "joni@smoe.org" >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:04:36 PM >> Subject: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues >> >> Hey listers, >> I've been asked to do an interview here in Australia on ABC radio. The >> segment is called: Something old, something new, something borrowed, >> something blue. It involves me selecting/playing songs that relate to > those >> themes. >> >> Off the back of Luminato, it seems like the obvious selection for the >> 'blue' themed song would be Furry Sings the Blues (particularly given >> that >> Joni says one of the lyrics she is most proud of is within this song). But >> before I go on air, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions: >> >> 1. How do I pronounce Hejira? I always pronounced it as "hedge-ear-ra" >> but >> after listening to her Luminato interview, where the interviewer says >> "hedge-eye-ra", I'm now uncertain. I'm wondering if this is a >> 'you say >> tomAYto, I say tomARto' thing... or if there's a correct way of saying >> it. >> >> 2. I was researching Furry online and found this reference on wikipedia: >> >> Joni Mitchell 's song, >> "Furry >> Sings the Blues", (on her >> *Hejira >> * album ) is about her visit to Furry >> Lewis' apartment and a mostly ruined Beale >> Street on >> February 5th, 1976. Lewis despised the Mitchell song and demanded she pay >> him royalties > .[4] rry_Lewis#cite_note-cascade-4> >> >> Does anyone know the full story of Joni's journey to Beale Street and her >> interactions with Furry? Has she ever answered questions about his > reported >> dislike of her song? Were they friends before she wrote the song? >> >> I never heard anything disrespectful in the lyrics to that song, but now >> I'm wondering whether it's the best choice for this interview. Feel free >> to >> shed some (shadows and) light on this topic. >> >> Thanking you, >> Ange in Oz >> angetakats.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 07:43:07 -0500 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Mispronounced words In the spirit of Miles of Aisles... Say it how you want! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:12 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > I don't think any of those weird pronunciations are particularly Canadian. They're just wrong. > > The Champs d'Elysees thing always bugged me. That's not poor pronunciation. It's just wrong. > > > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: Betsy Blue >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 10:04:44 PM >> Subject: Mispronounced words >> >> >> Dave said: >> Joni is probably not a good source for its pronunciation having heard her >> way of saying "samba" and "cellulite"! >> >> Catherine added: >> She also says "realtors" strangely. We've had the "clandestine" discussion >> before too. >> >> May I please add the mystery of the 'd' in the middle of Champs Elysees? >> And President REEgan? Most of the odd pronunciations, I chalk up to >> Canadian (prairie) dialect or song fit, but those bug me. >> >> Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 07:25:37 -0500 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues, Joni's pronunciation Joni's pronunciation of words that are part of her songs is all part of her art in my opinion. I love her way of saying things. I love her Canadian accent. It was wonderful to hear a whole town of it in Sechelt. I sounded more southern to myself there. In preparation to perform Free Man in Paris at the Jonifest in 2003, I asked a French friend to help me with the pronunciation of Champs ElysC)es. It ain't the same as in the song. I tried to sing it with correct French pronunciation, and it was awkward. Never again will I try to find the "correct" way and deviate from the art. Love, Laura (in Arkansas where everything is fried in the heat) Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > Hi Ange, > > Hejira is an Arabic word (it's in the dictionary) which I suspect is Anglicized from its Arabic pronunciation in all the variants we've heard. I'm sure there are listers who can read the phonetic spellings below better than me. But it seems there is a "d" sound in it and is not a soft "j". > > Heb"gib"ra (hI*KdJaI* rI, KhIdJ Ir I) > > n., pl. -ras. > 1. (sometimes l.c.) Hijra. > 2. (l.c.) Also, hejira.any flight or journey to a more desirable or congenial place. > [1590b1600; < Medieval Latin < Arabic; see Hijra] > > I imagine Furry Lewis despised the song about him because he was dirt poor and this elegant blond visitor had a "limo (that was) shining on his shanty street" and he viewed the encounter as an exploitation. If it had been accompanied by a $1000 check I suspect he'd have loved the song. > > Dave > > p.s my band performs this abum in November so it will be nice to be able to pronounce it correctly. Joni is probably not a good source for its pronunciation having heard her way of saying "samba" and "cellulite"! > > > On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Ange T wrote: > >> Hey listers, >> I've been asked to do an interview here in Australia on ABC radio. The >> segment is called: Something old, something new, something borrowed, >> something blue. It involves me selecting/playing songs that relate to those >> themes. >> >> Off the back of Luminato, it seems like the obvious selection for the >> 'blue' themed song would be Furry Sings the Blues (particularly given that >> Joni says one of the lyrics she is most proud of is within this song). But >> before I go on air, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions: >> >> 1. How do I pronounce Hejira? I always pronounced it as "hedge-ear-ra" but >> after listening to her Luminato interview, where the interviewer says >> "hedge-eye-ra", I'm now uncertain. I'm wondering if this is a 'you say >> tomAYto, I say tomARto' thing... or if there's a correct way of saying it. >> >> 2. I was researching Furry online and found this reference on wikipedia: >> >> Joni Mitchell 's song, "Furry >> Sings the Blues", (on her *Hejira >> * album ) is about her visit to Furry >> Lewis' apartment and a mostly ruined Beale >> Street on >> February 5th, 1976. Lewis despised the Mitchell song and demanded she pay >> him royalties .[4] >> >> Does anyone know the full story of Joni's journey to Beale Street and her >> interactions with Furry? Has she ever answered questions about his reported >> dislike of her song? Were they friends before she wrote the song? >> >> I never heard anything disrespectful in the lyrics to that song, but now >> I'm wondering whether it's the best choice for this interview. Feel free to >> shed some (shadows and) light on this topic. >> >> Thanking you, >> Ange in Oz >> angetakats.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 06:12:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Mispronounced words I had to go and listen to both "Free man in Paris" and "Dreamland" again. I definitely hear "Champs d'Elysees," even though I was wondering if it was just the liaison between the end of Champs and Elysees (which would be a z sound), but I still hear D, even in some of the live versions I have. English-speaking people do pronounce "samba" the way Joni does. I was surprised when I listened again to "Dreamland," because for some reason, I thought she did pronounce it more like "sahm-ba", but nope. In fact, when I listened to the pronunciation on one of those talking dictionaries, to get the Brazilian pronunciation, it sounds more like the way Joni says it than "sahm-ba." I've never had a problem with her pronunciation of "clandestine". There are various pronunciations, one being more American and the other more UK and Joni merged the two and I agree with you that it's more for the rhyme than anything and it doesn't bother me, but I remember people arguing about this before. That was one of those words that I never really knew how to pronounce anyway, because I've seen it more than I've heard it. There are certain words I try not to say because they sound weird no matter how you say them, jewels being one! >________________________________ > From: David Marine >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:15:16 AM >Subject: Re: Mispronounced words > > >Hey List, > >I'm confused. The pronunciation of clandestine, obviously, is a rhyming thing, >like schools and jewels. Her pronunciation of "samba" in Dreamland is the >standard English pronunciation. I hear no "d" in Champs-Ilysies, though the >syllables are stressed in an odd way. And as for Hejira, I can't see how it's >possible for her to mispronounce the name of her own album, any more than it >would be possible for her to mispronounce her name. > >Best, > >David > > >On Jun 25, 2013, at 3:00 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > >> Subject: Mispronounced words >> >> Dave said: >> Joni is probably not a good source for its pronunciation having heard her >> way of saying "samba" and "cellulite"! >> >> Catherine added: >> She also says "realtors" strangely. We've had the "clandestine" discussion >> before too. >> >> May I please add the mystery of the 'd' in the middle of Champs Elysees? >> And President REEgan? Most of the odd pronunciations, I chalk up to >> Canadian (prairie) dialect or song fit, but those bug me. >> >> Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:30:33 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Joni at Luminato I am sure there are many who will see Joni's performances last week and not want to see them, Paul. I can't enjoy seeing Paul McCartney sing anymore. Many seeing the Luminato songs will still seek the soaring notes of STAS or the image of the vulnerable, paper thin icon of Blue. What's so smart about the way this event happened was Joni's interviews saying she would never sing again, yet says she will read a poem. Then at the end of a long tribute to her and in front of her biggest fans, she has a go and does a turn! It was, I think, a master stroke of stage management. I am with Michael on the Woodstock performances,and both are quite different. Joni has gone full circle in the way she tackles the song. From the initial optimism of the piano original came Jon's bleak guitar rendition of the 80s and 90s. In 2013 at Massey Hall we witness some young woman getting the words wrong, people not knowing quite where the song was going, Joni coming in over the trumpet break one night and ,second night, chatting to Kilauren. There were hard won notes, but there was fun, celebration and, then, in moments, came the prayer. That's what I saw. Anita On 24 Jun 2013, at 23:24, Michael quebec wrote: > I hear what you say Paul, but when I see that video, (by the way, which is > different from the Teusday night performance; the piano here is more present, > Herbie ?) I see and hear a complete transformation of that song, it has become > something celebratory, almost like a jazz prayer, and the singers are just > gliding, soaring along with the music as best they can (perhaps a tad > under-rehearsed) grooving to the notion that we are stardust, golden, million > year old carbon, and we've got to get back to the garden. Yes, Joni's voice > has changed, but strangely, her delivery is now stronger and more convincing > than ever. BTW, I had not noticed onstage the teleprompter scrolling the > song's lyrics behind the singers, clearly visible in Catherine's Teusday night > video of the song. > > Michael in QuebecPaul wrote: > > Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:55:26 -0400 (EDT) > From: Paul Ivice > Subject: Joni at Luminato > > Here's Joni (and group) singing Woodstock along with Kilauren @ Massey > Hall Wednesday night (6/19) > http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=344 > > Laura > > > Those of you who don't hate me already probably will after reading this, but > I > tell it the way I see it. > I found this video to be unwatchable. > I couldn't get past the first verse. > The pace is so damn slow that it drags and, I am sorry to say, her voice is > so > far gone that she now cannot carry a melody. > It hurts me to say it because I've loved Joni's voice, music and songwriting > for decades (1971), but perhaps because of that I could not bear to watch > this > video of a sad, sad performance. > > Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 14:18:13 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #237 I quite like your version - Kind Midas and Thin Lizzy are great > alternatives for this song! > Anita z Even I can't get it right - I meant King Midas but Kind Midas offers something else. I also meant a x and not a z - but maybe that's revealing too! :~)) Apologies for not deleting everything on my earlier reply, Anita > > On 24/06/2013, Bill Branyon wrote: >> What does it mean when Joni says: "The Midus is loveless he talks to the >> light" ??? in her song "Electricity"?? Also what is the "copper, proud >> headed >> Tin Lizzy," (I think it says.)? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:24:57 +0000 From: Michael quebec Subject: Re: Joni at Luminato I hear what you say Paul, but when I see that video, (by the way, which is different from the Teusday night performance; the piano here is more present, Herbie ?) I see and hear a complete transformation of that song, it has become something celebratory, almost like a jazz prayer, and the singers are just gliding, soaring along with the music as best they can (perhaps a tad under-rehearsed) grooving to the notion that we are stardust, golden, million year old carbon, and we've got to get back to the garden. Yes, Joni's voice has changed, but strangely, her delivery is now stronger and more convincing than ever. BTW, I had not noticed onstage the teleprompter scrolling the song's lyrics behind the singers, clearly visible in Catherine's Teusday night video of the song. Michael in QuebecPaul wrote: Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:55:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Ivice Subject: Joni at Luminato Here's Joni (and group) singing Woodstock along with Kilauren @ Massey Hall Wednesday night (6/19) http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=344 Laura Those of you who don't hate me already probably will after reading this, but I tell it the way I see it. I found this video to be unwatchable. I couldn't get past the first verse. The pace is so damn slow that it drags and, I am sorry to say, her voice is so far gone that she now cannot carry a melody. It hurts me to say it because I've loved Joni's voice, music and songwriting for decades (1971), but perhaps because of that I could not bear to watch this video of a sad, sad performance. Paul Ivice ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:44:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni Mitchell Waxes Poetic on Emily Carr at Luminato Birthday Tribute - article Here's another article from Blouin Art Info. http://ca.blouinartinfo.com/news/story/916654/joni-mitchell-waxes-poetic-on-emily-carr-at-luminato-birthday ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Squelched" chatter I can completely understand why a person would be reluctant to have their life portrayed in a way that might seem to shallow but, given that the book (and film if it ever comes to fruition) is really more like a set of sketches about three different women, I doubt we could expect much more. I also think it's a worthwhile attempt that would help people who weren't there better understand the times. I fear that Joni might be someone who judges too quickly and wonder whether she has read the book or is merely going on the basis of what she might have heard from others. I believe she's the only one who didn't cooperate with Sheila Weller, who, I believe got to interview both Carly Simon and Carole King, but not Joni, so she would have been basing the Joni portions solely on what others have said. I do get that, and yet... I've read Carole King's autobiography and, even though I'm not a big Carly Simon fan, I found her story, as told by Sheila Weller, fascinating and would like to read Carly's version of events if she has one. And, of course, I really, really HOPE that Joni does write her memoirs, which would likely be many volumes long! >________________________________ > From: Michael Sentance >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 11:04:52 AM >Subject: "Squelched" chatter > > >Not having a Facebook account, it took me awhile to find the reference that >Ms. Ward mentioned. I think it is Sheila Weller's reference to defending >Taylor Swift wherein she makes an oblique comment about "that ship having >sadly sailed". I assume that the comment meant either that Swift isn't >involved with the project, Joni isn't in the movie version or the >development of the movie has ended. I think that Joni threatening the >producer would be sufficient to end what would have a been a fairly small >movie - with Taylor Swift providing the marketing power. > >We'll see... but it has been quiet for awhile. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:04:36 +1000 From: Ange T Subject: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues Hey listers, I've been asked to do an interview here in Australia on ABC radio. The segment is called: Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. It involves me selecting/playing songs that relate to those themes. Off the back of Luminato, it seems like the obvious selection for the 'blue' themed song would be Furry Sings the Blues (particularly given that Joni says one of the lyrics she is most proud of is within this song). But before I go on air, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions: 1. How do I pronounce Hejira? I always pronounced it as "hedge-ear-ra" but after listening to her Luminato interview, where the interviewer says "hedge-eye-ra", I'm now uncertain. I'm wondering if this is a 'you say tomAYto, I say tomARto' thing... or if there's a correct way of saying it. 2. I was researching Furry online and found this reference on wikipedia: Joni Mitchell 's song, "Furry Sings the Blues", (on her *Hejira * album ) is about her visit to Furry Lewis' apartment and a mostly ruined Beale Street on February 5th, 1976. Lewis despised the Mitchell song and demanded she pay him royalties .[4] Does anyone know the full story of Joni's journey to Beale Street and her interactions with Furry? Has she ever answered questions about his reported dislike of her song? Were they friends before she wrote the song? I never heard anything disrespectful in the lyrics to that song, but now I'm wondering whether it's the best choice for this interview. Feel free to shed some (shadows and) light on this topic. Thanking you, Ange in Oz angetakats.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:36:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues Funny you should ask about the pronunciation. A few of us commented on that on the Facebook jmdl page. The way Joni pronounces it is the way you do, Hedge-ear-uh. Jon Pareles pronounced it Hedge-eye-ruh. If you look it up on a dictionary, you might even find another way or two to pronounce it, so go with the Joni pronunciation, since it's her song. Before Joni sang "Furry" at Massey Hall last week, she told a story about how she had gone around whatever city she was in at the time, collecting badges from cops, by flirting with them. She says that, when she got to Memphis, a cop there (and she mentions he had been one of the cops present when Martin Luther King was assassinated, or one who arrived on the scene shortly after) wouldn't give her his badge, but instead offered to drive her down to Beale Street, where she met Furry Lewis. You can hear part of this story on the Youtube link below, where she describes what it was like on Beale Street at the time, when things were in ruins. Unfortunately, it doesn't include the part just before that, about getting badges from cops. Maybe someone else who was there can remember this story better than I can and can fill in some gaps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qhJHY05rX8 - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ange T > To: "joni@smoe.org" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:04:36 PM > Subject: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues > > Hey listers, > I've been asked to do an interview here in Australia on ABC radio. The > segment is called: Something old, something new, something borrowed, > something blue. It involves me selecting/playing songs that relate to those > themes. > > Off the back of Luminato, it seems like the obvious selection for the > 'blue' themed song would be Furry Sings the Blues (particularly given > that > Joni says one of the lyrics she is most proud of is within this song). But > before I go on air, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions: > > 1. How do I pronounce Hejira? I always pronounced it as "hedge-ear-ra" > but > after listening to her Luminato interview, where the interviewer says > "hedge-eye-ra", I'm now uncertain. I'm wondering if this is a > 'you say > tomAYto, I say tomARto' thing... or if there's a correct way of saying > it. > > 2. I was researching Furry online and found this reference on wikipedia: > > Joni Mitchell 's song, > "Furry > Sings the Blues", (on her > *Hejira > * album ) is about her visit to Furry > Lewis' apartment and a mostly ruined Beale > Street on > February 5th, 1976. Lewis despised the Mitchell song and demanded she pay > him royalties > .[4] > > Does anyone know the full story of Joni's journey to Beale Street and her > interactions with Furry? Has she ever answered questions about his reported > dislike of her song? Were they friends before she wrote the song? > > I never heard anything disrespectful in the lyrics to that song, but now > I'm wondering whether it's the best choice for this interview. Feel free > to > shed some (shadows and) light on this topic. > > Thanking you, > Ange in Oz > angetakats.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:04:52 -0400 From: Michael Sentance Subject: "Squelched" chatter Not having a Facebook account, it took me awhile to find the reference that Ms. Ward mentioned. I think it is Sheila Weller's reference to defending Taylor Swift wherein she makes an oblique comment about "that ship having sadly sailed". I assume that the comment meant either that Swift isn't involved with the project, Joni isn't in the movie version or the development of the movie has ended. I think that Joni threatening the producer would be sufficient to end what would have a been a fairly small movie - with Taylor Swift providing the marketing power. We'll see... but it has been quiet for awhile. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 04:45:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Rolling Stone article on TimesTalks and squelching Pat B just posted a link on Facebook to a Rolling Stone story by Karen Bliss about the TimesTalks event and mentions the "squelching," not that this tells us any more. I don't know if this article has been posted here yet or on jonimitchell.com. There has been so much going on in the last week that it's hard to keep up. Here's the clip from RS: "Mitchell regaled the audience with personal, detailed stories, from hearing Rachmaninoff when she was eight to her "tricky knuckles," which influenced her playing style, to how polio affected her turn to music. She quoted Nietzsche and talked about Jaco Pastorius, David Geffen and her mother, landing in a hospital with abscessed ovaries, and how she "squelched" a biopic by telling the director it would be "a piece of shit" because he didn't have the details. And there was so much more." http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/joni-mitchell-honored-in-toronto-20130617 As one of the "details", Joni mentioned the Ruby Lake event from last year. You can hear this yourselves because the event is posted at the bottom of RS's story or go directly toLuminato's Youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8VQgRnghb8). (There are a few thank yous at the beginning by Jorn Weisbrod and Carole Day, and Joni comes on stage just past the five minute mark.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:37:01 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Home Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues Hello Ange, The jonimitchell.com website should give you a wealth. But check out the Q Magazine interview from 1988 where she talks a little about the visit Jamie Zubairi Actor, Painter, Voiceover, Creative Future Appearances: June 13th Balinese Dance City University July 1st Caged Bird Sings, part of Face 2 Face festival, Lost Theatre July 7 Balinese Dance South Bank Centre On 24 Jun 2013 23:09, "Ange T" wrote: > Hey listers, > I've been asked to do an interview here in Australia on ABC radio. The > segment is called: Something old, something new, something borrowed, > something blue. It involves me selecting/playing songs that relate to those > themes. > > Off the back of Luminato, it seems like the obvious selection for the > 'blue' themed song would be Furry Sings the Blues (particularly given that > Joni says one of the lyrics she is most proud of is within this song). But > before I go on air, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions: > > 1. How do I pronounce Hejira? I always pronounced it as "hedge-ear-ra" but > after listening to her Luminato interview, where the interviewer says > "hedge-eye-ra", I'm now uncertain. I'm wondering if this is a 'you say > tomAYto, I say tomARto' thing... or if there's a correct way of saying it. > > 2. I was researching Furry online and found this reference on wikipedia: > > Joni Mitchell 's song, "Furry > Sings the Blues", (on her *Hejira< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hejira_(album)> > * album ) is about her visit to Furry > Lewis' apartment and a mostly ruined Beale > Street on > February 5th, 1976. Lewis despised the Mitchell song and demanded she pay > him royalties .[4]< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_Lewis#cite_note-cascade-4> > > Does anyone know the full story of Joni's journey to Beale Street and her > interactions with Furry? Has she ever answered questions about his reported > dislike of her song? Were they friends before she wrote the song? > > I never heard anything disrespectful in the lyrics to that song, but now > I'm wondering whether it's the best choice for this interview. Feel free to > shed some (shadows and) light on this topic. > > Thanking you, > Ange in Oz > angetakats.com.au ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #241 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe