From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #240 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, June 25 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 240 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Squelched? [Lori Renee Fye ] Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues [Catherine McKay ] Mispronounced words [Betsy Blue ] Re: Mispronounced words [Catherine McKay ] Luminato [Steve Dulson ] Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues [Ange T Subject: Re: Squelched? > My feeling is that people will discover her music as time > goes on with or without a Hollywood movie about Joni or > a high profile young singing sensation playing her in it. Actually, what's most likely to happen is that, when Joni passes on (and goddess forbid the thought, but ...), the Biography Channel will quickly finish up whatever it already has in the can (and you know something like that exists, as it exists for just about every performer who's made any sort of an impact) and then, suddenly, lots of people who never before had an interest in Joni's music will "discover" her. > Good musicians who know their stuff are never going to > let Joni's music fade into obscurity. Thank the goddess for that! Lori Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:16:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues Wow! Well done, you! Either you have a very good memory, or you recorded that whole speech. My memory is absolute crap! I didn't remember most of that story until you retold it. >________________________________ > From: Scott Johnson >To: 'Catherine McKay' ; 'Ange T' ; joni@smoe.org >Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:57:59 PM >Subject: RE: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues > > >All I can add to the "Furry" story is what prompted Joni into stealing the >badges from cops. During the Rolling Thunder Tour, every place they played, >there would be all these cops standing around. They all had bad attitudes >toward cops because of Mayor Daley and the Democratic Convention. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:04:42 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues I had no idea what 'cellulate' was when I first hear 'Otis and Marlena'. Now I think Joni was altering the diphthong to rhyme the word with 'state' in the line 'in her ballrooms heads of state'. Over-reaching a bit there, maybe? The short 'a' she sings in 'samba' might have been her Canadian prairie girl roots showing through or a deliberate mimicking of an ignorant American tourist. I hail from the Midwestern USA where the dialect is often described as flat or nasal. People in Washington state have told me I speak like a Midwesterner. I used to think they were full of it but the older I get, the more I can hear it to a certain extent. But then I tend to be a mimic, often unconsciously picking up other people's speech patterns and pronunciations. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Blackburn Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 3:25 PM To: Ange T Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues p.s my band performs this abum in November so it will be nice to be able to pronounce it correctly. Joni is probably not a good source for its pronunciation having heard her way of saying "samba" and "cellulite"! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:30:52 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Squelched? "The only thing that's never going away is Joni Mitchell" says this New Yorker cartoon. http://www.condenaststore.com/-sp/The-only-thing-that-s-never-going-away-is-Joni-Mitchell-New-Yorker-Cartoon-Prints_i8546437_.htm On Monday, June 24, 2013, Lori Renee Fye wrote: > > My feeling is that people will discover her music as time > > goes on with or without a Hollywood movie about Joni or > > a high profile young singing sensation playing her in it. > > Actually, what's most likely to happen is that, when Joni passes on (and > goddess forbid the thought, but ...), the Biography Channel will quickly > finish up whatever it already has in the can (and you know something like > that exists, as it exists for just about every performer who's made any > sort of an impact) and then, suddenly, lots of people who never before had > an interest in Joni's music will "discover" her. > > > Good musicians who know their stuff are never going to > > let Joni's music fade into obscurity. > > Thank the goddess for that! > > Lori > Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:04:44 -0700 From: Betsy Blue Subject: Mispronounced words Dave said: Joni is probably not a good source for its pronunciation having heard her way of saying "samba" and "cellulite"! Catherine added: She also says "realtors" strangely. We've had the "clandestine" discussion before too. May I please add the mystery of the 'd' in the middle of Champs Elysees? And President REEgan? Most of the odd pronunciations, I chalk up to Canadian (prairie) dialect or song fit, but those bug me. Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:12:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Mispronounced words I don't think any of those weird pronunciations are particularly Canadian. They're just wrong. The Champs d'Elysees thing always bugged me. That's not poor pronunciation. It's just wrong. >________________________________ > From: Betsy Blue >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 10:04:44 PM >Subject: Mispronounced words > > >Dave said: >Joni is probably not a good source for its pronunciation having heard her >way of saying "samba" and "cellulite"! > >Catherine added: >She also says "realtors" strangely. We've had the "clandestine" discussion >before too. > >May I please add the mystery of the 'd' in the middle of Champs Elysees? >And President REEgan? Most of the odd pronunciations, I chalk up to >Canadian (prairie) dialect or song fit, but those bug me. > >Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:48:12 -0400 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Luminato Let me join the chorus - I haven't had a chance to watch/read more than a few of the videos and links, but I an SO happy for (and not a little jealous of) the jmdlers who attended. I have teared up reading several of the accounts. What a great Joni experience we have all had, through you! Love to all, *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA FAR-West (Folk Alliance Region - West) tinkersown@ca.rr.com www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:35:36 +1000 From: Ange T Subject: Re: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues There's a JMDL facebook page? I'd love to join it if you can send me the details! Thanks to everyone for their insights regarding pronunciation and the Furry story. I'll dig a little deeper online before my interview and hopefully make the JMDL proud when I talk about the song and Joni on air next week! Ange in Oz P.S. Catherine, I'd only seen her Tuesday night performance of the song so I really appreciate you sharing this clip. Loved Joni's descriptions of the decaying state of Beale Street...just wished she'd talked more about old Furry! On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Funny you should ask about the pronunciation. A few of us commented on > that on the Facebook jmdl page. The way Joni pronounces it is the way you > do, Hedge-ear-uh. Jon Pareles pronounced it Hedge-eye-ruh. If you look it > up on a dictionary, you might even find another way or two to pronounce it, > so go with the Joni pronunciation, since it's her song. > > Before Joni sang "Furry" at Massey Hall last week, she told a story about > how she had gone around whatever city she was in at the time, collecting > badges from cops, by flirting with them. She says that, when she got to > Memphis, a cop there (and she mentions he had been one of the cops present > when Martin Luther King was assassinated, or one who arrived on the scene > shortly after) wouldn't give her his badge, but instead offered to drive > her down to Beale Street, where she met Furry Lewis. > > You can hear part of this story on the Youtube link below, where she > describes what it was like on Beale Street at the time, when things were in > ruins. Unfortunately, it doesn't include the part just before that, about > getting badges from cops. Maybe someone else who was there can remember > this story better than I can and can fill in some gaps. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qhJHY05rX8 > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ange T > > To: "joni@smoe.org" > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:04:36 PM > > Subject: Questions regarding Furry Sings The Blues > > > > Hey listers, > > I've been asked to do an interview here in Australia on ABC radio. The > > segment is called: Something old, something new, something borrowed, > > something blue. It involves me selecting/playing songs that relate to > those > > themes. > > > > Off the back of Luminato, it seems like the obvious selection for the > > 'blue' themed song would be Furry Sings the Blues (particularly given > > that > > Joni says one of the lyrics she is most proud of is within this song). > But > > before I go on air, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions: > > > > 1. How do I pronounce Hejira? I always pronounced it as "hedge-ear-ra" > > but > > after listening to her Luminato interview, where the interviewer says > > "hedge-eye-ra", I'm now uncertain. I'm wondering if this is a > > 'you say > > tomAYto, I say tomARto' thing... or if there's a correct way of saying > > it. > > > > 2. I was researching Furry online and found this reference on wikipedia: > > > > Joni Mitchell's song, > > "Furry > > Sings the Blues", is about her visit to Furry > > Lewis' apartment and a mostly ruined Beale > > Street on > > February 5th, 1976. Lewis despised the Mitchell song and demanded she pay > > him royalties > > < > > > > Does anyone know the full story of Joni's journey to Beale Street and her > > interactions with Furry? Has she ever answered questions about his > reported > > dislike of her song? Were they friends before she wrote the song? > > > > I never heard anything disrespectful in the lyrics to that song, but now > > I'm wondering whether it's the best choice for this interview. Feel free > > to > > shed some (shadows and) light on this topic. > > > > Thanking you, > > Ange in Oz > > angetakats.com.au ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #240 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe