From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #218 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, June 16 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 218 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Warehouse 13 Joni Sighting [Moni Kellermann ] article: Joni Mitchell may pull artifacts from Saskatoon [Moni Kellermann] Re: Joni's guitars and tunings, blog item [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Interview part 2 [Shari Eaton ] Interview ["Mark" ] Re: Joni's Drawing Game [Moni Kellermann ] Joni's paradox [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Joni's guitars and tunings, blog item [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's Drawing Game [Catherine McKay ] Interview part 2 ["Mark" ] VIDEO: Joni & Luminato Festival Programming Announcement [est86mlm@amerit] Re: Joni Luminato concert to be broadcast on CBC Radio [Catherine McKay <] Re: The Interview/ drawing dog houses [Gerald Kent ] Re: The Interview/ drawing dog houses [Anita ] Re: The Interview/ drawing dog houses [Anita G ] Luminato's INSTAGRAM page [est86mlm@ameritech.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 13:08:33 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Warehouse 13 Joni Sighting Am 15.06.2013 08:22, Wie Mark so vortrefflich formulierte: > The Airplane and Joni Mitchell on the same bill. What a dream. As far as I know: - - Joni Mitchell never HEADLINED any concert where Jefferson Airplane would have been the opening act - - the date "Tuesday July 7" indicates that the year is 1970 - - there is no record found of any concert on that date, not at Fillmore East or West - - the female face on the poster is neither Joni nor Grace Slick To me it looks like some unrealistic fantasy poster. You can decide for yourself: http://s9.postimg.org/ix9sodufz/warehouse13_fillmore.jpg moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:09:09 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: article: Joni Mitchell may pull artifacts from Saskatoon Joni Mitchell may pull artifacts from Saskatoon "If Saskatoon canbt find a home for one of the largest collections of her personal artifacts, Joni Mitchell is going to move it elsewhere, according to a close family friend who spoke to the legendary singer earlier this week." read the full article here: http://www.leaderpost.com/travel/Joni+Mitchell+pull+artifacts+from+Saskatoon/8529500/story.html moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:09:42 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni's guitars and tunings, blog item Great stuff there, Catherine. So JMDLers own 2 of the 5 Ibanez GB10s Joni used on the S&L/WTRF tours it appears. Dave On Jun 15, 2013, at 6:54 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Guitar phreaks! I found this while looking for something else. Ain't that always the way! > > http://uniqueguitar.blogspot.ca/2013/01/joni-mitchells-guitars-and-tunings.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:17:21 +0000 From: Michael quebec Subject: BSN, Globe and Mail http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/summer-entertainment/joni-mitchell-both-s ides-now/article12557726/#dashboard/follows/ An article by Brad Wheeler, with comments by songwriters on the meaning of this song and its relation to Joni's life experience, in the Saturday Globe and Mail, June 15, and two days to Joni ! Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:59:40 -0700 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Interview part 2 If art is short for artificial then fruit loops are actually quite profound. Yes, that conversation had my mind reeling for days. Everyone tries to define art. This understanding makes it all so clear to me now. For awhile I've thought art is just humans being fascinated with humans. I still think that but this expounds the idea. On Jun 15, 2013, at 6:05 PM, "Mark" wrote: > Another thing that really made an impression on me was Joni's likening her singing to method acting. Jian threw out Adele's name, asking if Adele writes a song about a break up, is she acting when she sings it. Joni's response was she's not breaking up with him when she's singing the song. She's calling up sense memory to project those feelings to her audience like a method actor does. She also mentioned Van Gogh, saying the stars aren't really that big but he painted them that way to communicate what inspired him about those stars to people who didn't really see them. She described it as creating something artificial - art being short for artificial - to communicate something real. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 01:33:50 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Interview I finally finished watching all of Joni's interview with Jian Ghomeshi. I'm not sure I'm ready to write about it yet but I'm feeling the need to jump into all of the discussion about it. So here goes. First of all I did not hear Joni say that everybody hated 'Blue' when it came out. If memory serves she said they were horrified by it. And if she said the word everybody, I really don't believe she was talking about the people who were buying the records and writing the reviews. She mentioned a couple of names of people in the music business that commented about it being too revealing. Johnny Cash was one of them. Maybe what 'horrified' other performers about 'Blue' was imagining themselves being that candid and vulnerable on a record or on a stage. I doubt that many of them relished the thought. Whether she knew it at the the time or not, Joni had done something pretty damn gutsy when she put that record out for public consumption. It seems to me that it brought her a lot of acclaim but also exacted a pretty high price in the long run. I feel that the 'confessional' label that she balks at so much is due in large part to her writing on 'Blue'. Also, people who understand anything about what makes her so great an artist know that she put out a lot of more innovative and challenging work after 'Blue'. I did laugh at her exclamations about confessions while mimicking a policeman brandishing a billy club. She was certainly having some fun with that. Is Joni full of herself? I suppose she is but what a fascinating persona she projects! I don't agree with every single word she says. Travis heard her spiel about western medicine and commented about it later. I told him I knew that both of us would probably be dead by now if it weren't for western medicine, so I'm not so much of a fanatic that I take every word Joni utters as Absolute Truth. But I did find myself agreeing with a lot of what she had to say. In fact, while listening to her and watching her, I found myself wondering just how much she may have influenced my thinking over the years. I like to think that she opened my mind to different ways of looking at things and that I haven't simply slavishly followed along, transferring her ideas into my head like they were some kind of Joni Mitchell dog-eat-dogma. Sure, there were sound bites in there that she's used before. I wonder how many times she's recited that poem about the goldfish bowl? She certainly didn't seem to mind telling Jian that she wrote it when she was 16, did she? But then she is very emphatic about how she feels about false modesty. In a way, I envy her that confidence and egotism, if that's what it is. I very rarely can quite believe that anything I do is truly well-done or in any way exceptional. I suppose that can be misconstrued as false modesty. There have been a few things I've done in my life that I am proud of. I think Joni is right that we are taught to believe that it is wrong to toot our own horns. If anybody does, Joni Mitchell certainly has a right to lay claim to having created an exceptional body of work. I was completely absorbed and fascinated with her descriptions of how she creates lyrics. One of the things she excels at is fitting the words so perfectly with the notes so that the songs are like well-crafted dramas. She said that the melody comes first and then at some point a concept for a lyric follows. The lyrics have to be dramatically structured so that the climax of the story or thought corresponds with the climax of the music. I loved hearing her talk about how words and phrases come into her head. How she then she selects and arranges and cuts and rearranges. I do the same thing when I am writing one of these overly long, cockamamie emails although the results are hardly comparable to Joni's lyric writing. It's completely hypocritical to say this as I sit in this room that contains two working computers, a machine that scans and prints, a TiVo, a small flat screen TV, electric lights, a cd player and who knows how many other electronic devices, but I do agree with Joni's assessment of how all of this stuff is sucking the life out of the planet. I also think there is truth in what she says about technology driving us away from our sanity. I think there is something significant about the number of movies and television series that are popping up these days that are set in one kind of post-apocalyptic world or other. It almost feels like we are resigned to some kind of approaching doomsday. Joni referred to the paintings in the room as pretty things to put on the walls. Although her paintings have been exhibited, it sounds like she does them for her own gratification and, not being under any time constraints, she works on them until they satisfy her. She could even rework them if she chose to. But the records have gone out to the public and to most of us, anyway, are so familiar that they are unalterable. I can see how hearing them after so many years would be difficult for her. To catch something that now sounds less than satisfactory to her but that she knows she can't change would be irritating to Joni at the very least. Anyway, I was in hog heaven. In spite of being egotistical, opinionated, full of herself and always, always misunderstood, I still love listening to her talk. And it's wonderful to see her so animated and saying she wants more of life because there are so many more things she wants to accomplish. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:57:49 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Joni's Drawing Game Am 15.06.2013 12:06, Wie Gary Z. so vortrefflich formulierte: > http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categories/arts-entertainment/music/joni-mitchell-all-sides-now/a-sunshine-melody-joni-mitchell.html You can grab the video also from here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w-QI7VA6S4 moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:13:54 -0400 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Joni's paradox Dave Blackburn said in part, " It is almost a conundrum that her painter's "eye for detail" led her to be a brilliant and original songwriter but not a painter of the same order of magnitude." Now me. Yeah, I've thought about that too. Now I see the paradox backwards and it makes more sense. Joni doesn't have a painter's eye for detail any more than she has a photographer's eye for detail, or a water colorist's eye for detail, or a felt pen user's eye for detail, or a poet's eye for detail. She has an artist's eye for detail. It is a deeply ingrained attribute that is some sort of source or Muse. All of the songs and the paintings are projections from that source. The Muse is, in some miraculous way, agnostic to media. Jim L'Hommedieu in sunny and spectacular Ohio, near the middle of the deeply flawed USA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:54:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni's guitars and tunings, blog item Guitar phreaks! I found this while looking for something else. Ain't that always the way! http://uniqueguitar.blogspot.ca/2013/01/joni-mitchells-guitars-and-tunings.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:16:04 -0500 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: The Interview/ drawing dog houses Ange, I thought just the opposite when I heard this. We've looked at Joni from both sides now, from full of herself to emptying herself, but still somehow, its Joni illusions we recall, we really don't know Joni, at all. Love, Laura Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Ange T wrote: > > > To me, the real test of how 'incredibly full of herself she has become' was > the final question - when asked what she was 'most proud of'. She could > have brought up a killer song, or concert or collaboration - but she told a > story of the two sisters who had lost their mother and had listened to her > lyrics and melodies to comfort themselves during their grief. > > Ange in Oz > www.angetakats.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:06:38 -0400 From: "Gary Z." Subject: Joni's Drawing Game While browsing the CBC archives, I came across this old interview footage of Joni from the '60s with Paul Soles and Adrienne Clarkson that I hadn't seen before. She was married and living with Chuck in Detroit at the time and shows the hosts a "drawing game" she plays to pass the time. It's also interesting (to me) that she talks about writing "happy" songs, and how a reviewer criticized her for that. http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categories/arts-entertainment/music/joni-mitchell-all-sides-now/a-sunshine-melody-joni-mitchell.html Hope you enjoy it! Best regards, Gary Z. Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:30:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's Drawing Game Interesting game. I wish I had known about it when my kids were younger, but we're all kids at heart, aren't we? Joni was very good at doing interviews, even then, although she was so innocent then! >________________________________ > From: Gary Z. >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:06:38 AM >Subject: Joni's Drawing Game > > >While browsing the CBC archives, I came across this old interview >footage of Joni from the '60s with Paul Soles and Adrienne Clarkson that >I hadn't seen before. She was married and living with Chuck in Detroit >at the time and shows the hosts a "drawing game" she plays to pass the >time. > >It's also interesting (to me) that she talks about writing "happy" >songs, and how a reviewer criticized her for that. > >http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categories/arts-entertainment/music/joni-mitchell - -all-sides-now/a-sunshine-melody-joni-mitchell.html > >Hope you enjoy it! > >Best regards, > >Gary Z. >Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:05:38 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Interview part 2 Another thing that really made an impression on me was Joni's likening her singing to method acting. Jian threw out Adele's name, asking if Adele writes a song about a break up, is she acting when she sings it. Joni's response was she's not breaking up with him when she's singing the song. She's calling up sense memory to project those feelings to her audience like a method actor does. She also mentioned Van Gogh, saying the stars aren't really that big but he painted them that way to communicate what inspired him about those stars to people who didn't really see them. She described it as creating something artificial - art being short for artificial - to communicate something real. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:04:07 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: VIDEO: Joni & Luminato Festival Programming Announcement Information on Joni begins at 1:05:48 and leads into Brian Blade at 1:08:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPYQA-tt42E Laura **********NJC BELOW************ Enter your zip code to see if your area is eligible to receive a Lysol Touch of Foam sample http://samples.target.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 12:09:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Luminato concert to be broadcast on CBC Radio Hurray! I was hoping they'd do that. They did it for the Kate McGarrigle one last year and, I think, for the Bruce Cockburn one the year before. The on demand one will probably have all of the songs, and not just the ones that will fit into an hour time-slot; as well, they will likely be just the songs and some stage banter and not an annoying announcer cutting in every so often. >________________________________ > From: Michael quebec >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 2:38:26 PM >Subject: Joni Luminato concert to be broadcast on CBC Radio > > >Good news ! About two weeks from now, you can hear a one-hour version of the >show on Canada Live (though it won't be broadcast live, just recorded live) >which airs Friday afternoons on CBC Radio 1. It willl also most likely be >available on demand, at http://music.cbc.ca/ >Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:07:21 -0400 From: Gerald Kent Subject: Re: The Interview/ drawing dog houses She is quite complicated, no question about that. What is really refreshing is that someone on the list is actually being objective. Thanks. Peace, Gerry Sent from my iPad On Jun 14, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > I don't actually disagree with you. I've always thought Joni sounded a little too full of herself - at least, any interview from the past 10-15 years. But it also suggests to me that maybe she's very lonely and has only herself to depend on. I could be misinterpreting that. She is definitely very opinionated and I really don't know if I'd want to engage in a conversation with her, because it seems like it would be more like a monologue. > > From: Gerald Kent > To: Catherine McKay > Cc: Ange T ; "joni@smoe.org" > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:00:53 PM > Subject: Re: The Interview/ drawing dog houses > > I have long been fascinated by her work in music (not very impressed with her visual art) but this interview illustrates for me how incredibly full of herself she has become. Sorry worshipers, just my opinion. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > > > I completely agree with what you've said. And I am thrilled to hear that she's writing her memoir. She finally bought a computer for that! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:45:12 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: The Interview/ drawing dog houses These discussions this week have helped me understand more about my own feelings about Joni and her music. I have found words about 'not hanging on to that side of herself' as a 'beautiful thing' particularly pertinent. I was talking to someone about Joni and she started to talk about Joan Baez and how amazing her voice still is, but that she had strict routine for it, how she didn't eat this or that.....and I found myself thinking that it didn't sound a lot of fun. Yeah, not doing endless touring seems a good idea(Paul McCartney last year just couldn't sing). Joni looks full of life and fun without it. Anita On 14 Jun 2013, at 14:44, Michael Flaherty wrote: >> I agree that it's sad to think she'll never sing in public again. But it > would be much sadder to watch her struggle to reach unachievable notes on > stage. I think it's beautiful that she doesn't feel the need to hang on to > that side of herself. > > I couldn't agree more. Joni has obviously lived her > life in such a way that she's able to live very comfortably without doing > endless oldies tours. > > It's frightening to think how many millions some of her > contemporaries have gone through. > > Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:34:48 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: The Interview/ drawing dog houses What is really > refreshing > is that someone on the list is actually being objective. Thanks. Peace, > Gerry > Your supposition is that objectivity exists.......but that's another ball game, Peace also Anita ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:45:08 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Painting vs Music Michel makes a really crucial point I think. I would add to it by saying Joni is not a commercial artist, in that she does not sell her paintings, whereas her music was a commercial venture (despite how artistic it was) and she depended on it for her living. As Michel states, her painting is good but I suspect not groundbreaking or exceptional but it is largely done for herself, and to depict places and friends to hang on her walls. Her music was conversely for public and critical consumption, making her relationship to it far more complicated. It may be a mystery to HER how with so little training in music or influence of her contemporaries she was able to produce so much great work, over many years, if I understand Michel correctly. It is almost a conundrum that her painter's "eye for detail" led her to be a brilliant and original songwriter but not a painter of the same order of magnitude. On Gerald's point that she is rather full of herself in interviews, I'd say that is true, but we learn that she feels quite alone as an artist which, compounded with illnesses keeping her confined to home, could easily make someone defensive about the outside world with its pettiness and competitiveness. She still has that endearing laugh though which instantly lightens the weight of her intellectual seriousness in an interview and suggests she is aware of how her egotistical artist-persona is not to be taken too much to heart. She is as much a pool playing buddy as a fearsome intellect with the penetrating vision. One of a kind, no question. Dave On Jun 14, 2013, at 4:26 AM, Michel BYRNE wrote: > She is a good > painter, even a very good painter (though not of hands...), but no way would > she ever be described as a genius painter-- and that must be a much more > comfortable, much more comprehensible place to be than in her music where > something well beyond her conscious control has produced great art: that kind > of gift that hasn't come from hard graft and craft (e.g. learning music > theory, practising scales, etc) but an incredible instinctive talent that must > have been pretty scary and also posed a constant challenge to her as she moved > from one project to the next, not really knowing what might have made one > song/album great and another not quite as great. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:39:42 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Luminato's INSTAGRAM page For the latest photos and giveaways follow Luminato's Feeds: http://instagram.com/luminatofestival https://twitter.com/Luminato http://pinterest.com/luminato/ https://plus.google.com/117590029389303728570/posts https://www.facebook.com/luminatofestival Laura *******NJC BELOW********** 6 sample packs of coffee. 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