From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #214 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, June 13 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 214 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The Interview [Betsy ] Blue's Billboard ranking [Michael quebec ] John Calimee, can you please contact me! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Blue's Billboard ranking [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Blue's Billboard ranking [Catherine McKay ] Re: "What can I fight and what can I accept?" [LC Stanley ] re:Joni and Jian [c Karma ] Re: The Interview [Laura Stanley ] Re: "What can I fight and what can I accept?" [Dave Blackburn ] PazFest III [Michael Paz ] 16 amazing things about Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni interview video direct download link [Catherine McKay ] Re: Toronto Star interview with Joni tomorrow and/or Wednesday [Catherine] CBC interview [Michael Sentance ] Joni-Jian interview [kbhla@fastmail.fm] Re: Joni interview [Anita ] =?utf-8?B?UmU6IE5ldyBMaWJyYXJ5IGl0ZW06IEFtb25nIHRoZSBjYW52YXNlc zogQmVo?= =?utf-8?B?aW5kIHRoZSBzY2VuZXMgYXQgSm9uaSBNaXRjaGVsbOKAmXMgaG9tZQ==?= [] interview. No edit [Marianne Rizzo ] Jian on interviewing Joni [Vincenzo Mancini ] Re: Teaser video, Joni-Jian interview [Michael Paz ] Re: The new Joni-Jian interview [Dave Blackburn ] re: Joni & Jian [c Karma ] Anyone else attending Luminato? [Catherine McKay ] Re: interview. No edit [mflaher3@yahoo.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #687 [Les Irvin ] Joni might release Minugus outtakes? [kbhla@fastmail.fm] Jian Ghomeshi sneak preview [Catherine McKay ] Jim Corcoran and Joni Mitchell [Catherine McKay ] Jian on interviewing Joni [Vincenzo Mancini ] RE: Joni interview ["Susan E. McNamara" ] Re: Joni interview video direct download link [Les Irvin ] Joni's interviewed by Jian [Fabio Cocchi ] Interview - paintings vs. music [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: Teaser video, Joni-Jian interview ["Gary Z." Subject: The Interview I think Joni reveals more when she has control, like in concert "patter", than in interviews. She has her sound bites as a hedge against the tendency to meander, and we have all heard them a ton. Still enjoyed it a lot. Favorite moments: - -Getting Banffed (booze and narcotics fueled f**kfest) way back in '64 - -Cursing out the other journalist - -Guerin wake scene - -Robot voices (I hear you in the wiring in the brain) - -"Unwed children" - -Rant against push buttons (irony factor went through the roof with the oil sands ads I had to sit through to hear the interview) - -"Second grade" 2x (American!) - -Paul Simon is too wordy - -Memoir - -Mingus sessions (!!!!!!) That woman is crazazy, and I love it. She seems to be as sharp as ever, but disconnected from the reality most of us live in. Starting to think the hairdo suits her current character. It's kind of Seussian. She's also 100% committed to smoking and the denial that it has done anything to her health. Don't smoke, kids. Not unless you have amazing genes, anyway. Betsy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:53:09 +0000 From: Michael quebec Subject: Blue's Billboard ranking From Wikipedia: Blue (1971) is the fourth album of Canadian singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell. Exploring the various facets of relationships from infatuation on "A Case of You" to insecurity on "This Flight Tonight", the songs feature simple accompaniments on piano, guitar, and Appalachian dulcimer. Blue was a critical and commercial success, reaching #15 on the Billboard 200 and #3 in the UK Albums Chart. The single "Carey" reached #93 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. In January 2000, the New York Times chose Blue as one of the 25 albums that represented "turning points and pinnacles in 20th-century popular music".[11] Joni's comment about Blue's reception also surprised me, could it be a manifestation of her divine dissatisfaction ? her oversensitivity to criticism ? Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:26:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: John Calimee, can you please contact me! Sorry for posting to the group but I'm trying to send a private message to John Calimee and it keeps bouncing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:45:26 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Blue's Billboard ranking I think it's interesting that she selected two men as critics of Blue. This may be childhood stuff too but since she is attracted to men and likes hanging out with men, (and also Papa brought home the sugar), maybe critical responses from men sting her more ... I can remember when I was first listening to Joni I had a hard time finding a guy who really liked the album Blue (present company obviously excluded!). Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michael quebec Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:53 AM To: joni@smoe.org; anima_rising@yahoo.ca Subject: Blue's Billboard ranking From Wikipedia: Blue (1971) is the fourth album of Canadian singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell. Exploring the various facets of relationships from infatuation on "A Case of You" to insecurity on "This Flight Tonight", the songs feature simple accompaniments on piano, guitar, and Appalachian dulcimer. Blue was a critical and commercial success, reaching #15 on the Billboard 200 and #3 in the UK Albums Chart. The single "Carey" reached #93 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. In January 2000, the New York Times chose Blue as one of the 25 albums that represented "turning points and pinnacles in 20th-century popular music".[11] Joni's comment about Blue's reception also surprised me, could it be a manifestation of her divine dissatisfaction ? her oversensitivity to criticism ? Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 07:50:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Blue's Billboard ranking >Joni's comment about Blue's reception also surprised me, could it be a manifestation of her divine dissatisfaction ? her oversensitivity to criticism Yes, I think that's right. Perhaps she just remembered the scattered negative comments, or perhaps she thought it should have instantly been recognized as brilliant, but by any standards this album has had 40+ years of amazing success. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 05:33:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Blue's Billboard ranking Could be that, Michael. Most of us seem to remember negative comments more than positive ones, even if the negative comments come from people we don't care for or don't even know. >________________________________ > From: Michael quebec >To: "joni@smoe.org" ; "anima_rising@yahoo.ca" >Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:53:09 AM >Subject: Blue's Billboard ranking > > >From Wikipedia: >Blue (1971) is the fourth album of Canadian singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell. >Exploring the various facets of relationships from infatuation on "A Case of >You" to insecurity on "This Flight Tonight", the songs feature simple >accompaniments on piano, guitar, and Appalachian dulcimer. Blue was a critical >and commercial success, reaching #15 on the Billboard 200 and #3 in the UK >Albums Chart. The single "Carey" reached #93 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. >In January 2000, the New York Times chose Blue as one of the 25 albums that >represented "turning points and pinnacles in 20th-century popular music".[11] > >Joni's comment about Blue's reception also surprised me, could it be a >manifestation of her divine dissatisfaction ? her oversensitivity to criticism >? > >Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 07:55:36 -0700 (PDT) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: "What can I fight and what can I accept?" Brings to my mind The Judgement of the Moon and Stars. Here it is in a very nicely done video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMD7mcEpU6U ________________________________ From: Anita G To: jonipeople LIST Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 2:11 PM Subject: "What can I fight and what can I accept?" What a thread that could be. I wouldn't know where to start. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:21:57 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: The Interview Catherine (and Dave) some really interesting thoughts and ideas. The one I pick up on from both your posts (because, of course, of my own 'ishooes', about the critical parent) is about her relationship with Myrtle. I remember commenting a while back about another Joni interview in which she mentions that Myrtle really liked 'Dancing Clown'. Imagine having a body of work like Joni's and your Mother picks out THAT song to comment upon and like! I am not sure, Catherine, that Joni is particularly complicated, but she isn't always consistent. But who is? I think you're right about her being reflective. She says great things in that interview about our essential aloneness. I imagine her painting and music, like for many, are efforts to express herself and to communicate. I think she's like the rest of us but with the buckets of additional talent and an awful lot of hard won insight that may well come from so many close encounters with Death. Actually, that's probably not like most people at all. I also like it that Joni holds her animals when they die. It's something I have struggled with (it's so painful to let go of something you love so much) but have always done with our animals. It's hard to let go. In the interview, Joni talked about honour. So much of life is about honour. Being with an animal or a person when they die is an honour and is also honouring. I must now go and do something ordinary and paint the fence! Anita On 13/06/2013, Catherine McKay wrote: > I doubt people hated "Blue" at the time. It seems to me that *everyone* had > a copy of "Blue" back then. Maybe a few reviewers didn't like it, but I > doubt even that. The few I did find from the time were very positive. Maybe > she's referring to her male friends (Kris Kristofferson and Johnny Cash) > telling her she was being too open and that she should keep some of herself > for herself, but that's not hate either, and she did discuss that, not as > people hating it but friends, particularly male friends, warning her, maybe > trying to protect her. Maybe she meant that a few fans didn't care for it, > but that I also find hard to believe. I don't recall anyone at the time > saying they hated it, but that was a long time ago. If you never got into > Joni's music to begin with, it doesn't count. > > I also find it strange that, on the one hand, she seems unhappy with her > musical output but, on the other, that she says she had no peers at the > time, which suggests that she believes her music to be superior to anything > else at the time. She compares herself to Duke Ellington, among others, but > he was before her time, so not a peer. > > Also interesting is that, although she is generally happy with a painting > and knows when it's done, she doesn't like to listen to her recordings > because she keeps thinking she could have, should have, done something > differently. Contrast this with her remark from many years ago that you > "wouldn't ask Van Gogh to paint another starry night, man," as a reason why > she doesn't like performing her older catalogue. It's true that, once a > painting is done, it is done. The paint has dried and you move on to > another. (But many painters will paint the same scene many times, trying to > capture different light or something about the scene.) But, if you perform > an old song again, you can renew it and make it completely different, as > we've seen and heard from the various live album songs being so very > different from earlier recordings, and the original recording of BSN, > compared to the Travelogue version. > > She is a > complicated person but then, how many of us are so truly happy with the > things we do that we don't try to second-guess ourselves? Maybe it's because > she recognizes that she has lived quite a long time and is becoming > reflective about various aspects of her life. The trouble with being > perfect, though, is, where do you go from there? Maybe it relates to her > saying that painting is a more zen-like activity, because you're not really > thinking (or overthinking) as you do it, whereas, for Joni at least, the > process of writing songs, maybe lyrics more than music, involves too much > self-critique as you're going and, if you're criticizing yourself all along, > you will probably never be happy with the outcome. So, yes, it is much like > the over-critical parent, where, no matter how well the child performs, it > is never quite good enough. > > > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: Dave Blackburn >>To: Anita G >>Cc: Christopher Treacy ; "joni@smoe.org" >> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 2:13:08 PM >>Subject: Re: The Interview >> >> >>Great point. I think Joni has her usual memorized interview responses that >> are quotable and not that revealing, as perhaps do all celebrities. Jian >> pushed her a little past being able to regurgitate them and notice how she >> was lost for an answer on more than one occasion, staring at the ceiling >> thinking, perhaps, "damn, I don't have the answer memorized for that one." >> He was kind of amazed at how little she seemed proud of her life's musical >> legacy (Myrtle's training at work?) and he wanted to pursue this further >> but she seemed oddly diffident about answering, speaking in generalities >> and making highly dubious claims like "people > hated Blue at the time" (my paraphrase). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:39:44 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re:Joni and Jian Thinking about the pride dichotomy between the music and the painting... Who among us hasn't experienced contempt for our jobs? Writing and recording music was the part of her life for which she had less control of the obligation and may have misgivings about seeking motivation and inspiration as they may have led to forced choices she now considers false. Who else among us has not preferred the results of our labours of love? A cake baked from scratch for a loved one will delight more than one from the warehouse club. More musings: she's been using this same language for years so I can't blame it on current jingoism, but continues to use the words, "oh they HATED that one." I find it interesting that while she paints in such varied hues and shading, she sees things so black and white. Low sales and mixed reviews don't speak indifference to her but outright rejection. I agree with Dave that Blue was not hated. It may have frightened and shaken with its raw emotion, but shouldn't it? Then again, even the Jazz press lauded "Mingus." Her picture and name on the Downbeat magazine cover were bigger than Count Basie! With all the talk about how a piece of art is successful if it allows its observer or listener to empathize, I have to call her out for her not acknowledging that the piece of work she has most vocally defended was among those with the least personal writing, concentrating on beautifully rendered portraits and storytelling: The Hissing of Summer Lawns. By her own gauge, this one was handicapped. Blue and Hejira offered far more opportunity for empathetic traction. Maybe I'm oversimplifying easier access of first person perspective over storytelling narration, but it's equally myopic for Joni not to have a less absolute criteria for relegating her music to success or failure: adored vs. hated. It's very demanding as it takes great love and investment for listeners to find empathy within the purview of third party perspective, much as it works the same process to look through the painter's eyes to see consistency in their vision through their technique, and then interpret the content of the piece. Is it a case of short attention span that has disabled popular music audiences from making that investment? My understanding of what she revealed in this interview would indicate so. And God knows the last risk I'll ever take is to interpret something Joni Mitchell might have said. CC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:57:32 -0500 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: The Interview Thanks Chris. The interview was really good, but when I listened, I was annoyed by the redirecting. Now because of your post I think I understand. Joni must have understood too because she was so gracious. I wish there could be a more relaxed recorded conversation with Joni for us JMDLers by a couple of JMDLers with questions from listers gathered ahead of time and/or a way to do real time questions. One thing I really thought was cool that Joni talked about in the interview was how she sees communication as achieved when someone listens to her song and it moves them about something in their own life. Her songs do this so well as many of us have shared on this list over the years. There is something mystical here in my experience. And the neat thing too is that not only have her songs brought light to my own life experiences but they have also have given me a depth of connectedness with you all on this list that I have experienced no where else. Gratefully with love, Laura Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2013, at 1:11 AM, Christopher Treacy wrote: > Just chiming in... I haven't gotten through the long version yet, but I've > enjoyed the first half and watched the 16 minute edit twice earlier this > afternoon. > > I'll say this: as someone that has had to interview music celebs - > some nowhere near as colorful or as gracious as Joni - and then edit down the > 'raw' quotes into a story befitting of a daily newspaper, my heart goes out to > Jian. He really had a lot to handle here and there are *so* many things that > can go wrong. > > I used to get really rattled when I would read what groups of > fans (not unlike this one, of which I'm a proud member, albeit mostly lurking > nowadays) would say about my interview profiles after they'd run in the paper. > From an editorial perspective, if you don't get a *story* -- and when they say > story, they mean one that's going to be potentially interesting to people that > might not have any interest in the artist or their music, but rather one that > has some sort of universal pull -- you have not done your job. Along the way, > maybe you get to have some cool chats (like I did with Herbie, about the > 'River' project before it was released). But mostly, you're under pressure to > get a story. And even though the radio/video mediums change this process > somewhat, at the core it's still the same. > > So, from an industry perspective, > Jian cut Joni as much slack as a journalist can in this media age... he didn't > so much cut her off as to try and occasionally re-direct, which you *have* to > be able to do in a situation like this. To you and I, Joni's tales, her > meanderings, the pit-stops and tangents - they all hold awesome nuggets of > insight. But to the average shmoe, they don't. Finding a balance to try and > make it interesting for everyone is Jian's job. Then add in how nervous he > must've been... I haven't always loved every little piece I've seen him do, > but as an arts journo, he definitely knows what he's doing. And, say what you > might, he did this very, VERY well. > > She said it herself - she hates doing > this. So, you lose the battle going in. Everything else is gravy. Everyone > that watches this will learn something about Joni Mitchell they didn't know > before. The scene at Guerin's funeral *alone* was a fantastic revelation for > people like us. And folks that think Joni is just a bitter old > C-U-Next-Tuesday will walk away with greater understanding. > > Cheers, > Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:17:40 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: "What can I fight and what can I accept?" "We didn't Molly-Coddle her" Are you listening, modern parents? On Jun 12, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Anita G wrote: > What a thread that could be. I wouldn't know where to start. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:46:30 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: The Interview On 12/06/2013, Dave Blackburn wrote: > Great point. I think Joni has her usual memorized interview responses that > are quotable and not that revealing, as perhaps do all celebrities." I'd say we ALL do that (have our scripts, I mean), but celebrities get the chance to publicly regurgitate them more often. Getting beyond what we believe to be true about ourselves and our lives is always a challenge and I often think feels quite a responsibility. I think Jian does his best to get more than that, Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:53:36 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: PazFest III HI Everybody!!! WoW what a week! So much Joni. I really enjoyed hearing the interview and look forward to hearing it again. After MUCH deliberation and soul searching and changing of weekends I have settled on October 3-6, 2013 for PazFest III. I have created a Facebook page for us and all you need do is tell me you want in and I will add you. I have already added a group of folks who were already on my interested list. As most of you know I did my first PazFest as a tribute to Joni in May of 2000 and we had 37 people come from all over the world to be a part of a night at the Howlin' Wolf which kicked off the fundraiser to build the Ruth Paz Hospital for Burn Children and Pediatric Surgery. That hospital opened its doors in August of 2011 and we had another Pazfest II in Sept of that year to celebrate. Fast forward to June of 2013 our foundation was forced to shut down the Burn Unit (only) at the hospital for lack of funding. We were promised 65% of our operating budget and have yet to receive $ one. This is but a mere speed bump in the road for us as we are committed to keeping it ALL going including building La Casa de Juan (named for my dad) that will host families coming to the hospital for their children's treatment. My goal is to get this information out to a global audience so that we can attract some major funding. I know lofty goals as usual, but you know what? who woulda thunk we could raise over $1.5 million to build the thing in the first place and keep it going for the past 2 years? So with that in mind ver forward we go with my best friends in the whole world, the JMDL. So far I have 3 artists committed to coming from outside New Orleans. This year I am doing it different that we have done in the past. There will be a JMDL compound (ala Full Moon) at the home of my dear friends Kris Anderson and Kevin Aucoin. They have a 2 bedroom house on Dauphine Street in the heart of the French Quarter that also has a huge courtyard and a large performance space (that will have PA and recording equipment installed) as well as two 1 Bedroom cottages and two 2 bedroom cottages. All bedrooms have queen beds and the 2 bedroom units also have a sofa bed and there is a sofa bed in a private room in the main house. We will use this space as party central for planned activities and meals. Gentlemen Jim (Traweek) is the head of the compound committee and we will be announcing pricing on the FB page in the next day or two. I will also have two official Hotel Sponsors that I will announce the pricing shortly as well. There will be an evening out to a restaurant as is my custom and a main evening at the Wolf with a surprise twist on another evening. I do not want to get into all the specifics here but look forward to discussing all of these in group on FB. If you do not have a FB page cause you don't have one you can create an identity and keep that private to the world and still join our group at my invitation or your request. Any artists interested in performing please contact me privately. In the meantime. HOLD THE DATES!!!! More info to pour in soon. Love Paz michael@thepazgroup.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:14:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: 16 amazing things about Joni This is a sort of recap of yesterday's Toronto Star article - kind of Joni factoids for dummies, maybe? http://www.thestar.com/life/2013/06/12/joni_mitchell_16_amazing_things_we_have_learned_about_her.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 11:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni interview video direct download link Moni, you ROCK! Les, so do you! What a great team of fantastic people! >________________________________ > From: Moni Kellermann >To: JMDL >Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:26:06 PM >Subject: Joni interview video direct download link > > >Here it is: > >http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/4/4002/videos/The-Joni-Mitchell-Interview-A-CBC-Music-Exclusive_med.mp4 > >right-click, save as... and then open in VLC Player or such. >File size: 235 MB. > >Enjoy! > >moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jian Ghomeshi sneak preview I'm not at all sure I understand what Joni means by this: "If they honour you wrong, it makes you arrogant, because it stung. If they honour you right, it's humbling because it's inspiring.b I wonder if, rather than "it stung," she really said, "It's [something]" ("It's dumb? It's done?" Neither of those make sense to me either, but the tense is wrong with "it stung", and it also doesn't make sense to me. Maybe it was just transcribed badly. I guess we'll have to have our ears pricked up to listen for that. >________________________________ > From: Catherine McKay >To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST >Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:50:08 PM >Subject: Jian Ghomeshi sneak preview > > >http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2013/06/10/joni-mitchell-interview.html > >Also, click on the video link on that page. > >Joni's voice sounds a bit croaky. I hope it's just a cold or allergies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 10:17:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Toronto Star interview with Joni tomorrow and/or Wednesday Here's the link. It has finally shown up online (or, I've finally been able to find it.) http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/music/2013/06/10/exclusive_chat_with_jon i_mitchell.htm >________________________________ > From: Catherine McKay >To: JONIMITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST >Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 11:47:50 AM >Subject: Toronto Star interview with Joni tomorrow and/or Wednesday > > >I'm told that in today's Toronto Star, there is a small piece announcing "The >Star's exclusive chat with Joni Mitchell". And that: 'In an exclusive print >interview, the Star's Richard Ouzounian sits down >with Canadian >singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell in her Bel Air home in advance of her >appearance and tribute at the Luminato Festival. Mitchell reveals the painful >struggle to finally reconcile with her long-lost >birth child, her battle with >a crippling little-known disease and the >knowledge that her life is >inevitably drawing to a close, online Tuesday at thestar.com and in print on >Wednesday." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:41:04 -0400 From: Michael Sentance Subject: CBC interview Seeing as I'm almost as old as Joni, I have no idea if this will work but here it is. Best viewed on smartphone or tablet but acceptable on a computer. Not great on HD TV. Shared solely for the educational benefit of listening to Joni. Joni-Mitchell-Interview.mp4 - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By3Hr8hVtR0MOV82eUozdEI1em8/edit?usp=sharing ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:32:04 -0700 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Joni-Jian interview Excellent summary! Thank you, Michael. I also loved her going off about the L.A. Times reporter regarding the Dylan stuff. I thought she'd stop after one big curse, but she just kept going and was even bleeped once. Heehee! Overall what I loved is that she was so good at dispelling some tired old myths about her and also stood fast and feisty when questioned about some previous quotes/beliefs/opinions. There will be nothing taken out of context on this one and I really got a kick out of it and her spirited responses. I sense she is in a good place right now and that makes me happy. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:41:45 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Joni interview I am with you all - terrific interview. What a blessing that she found the Chinese healer to help her spine and I think I appreciate, like you Dave, more what a fighter she has been. I reckon looking into the eyes of Death has certainly helped to give Joni a love for the ordinary things in Life. I love the fact that she is a pool player and sounds like a real Pin Ball Wizard/Witch who likes to play to Duke Ellington as soundtrack. Great stuff. Anita On 11 Jun 2013, at 22:51, Dave Blackburn wrote: > I didn't know what a believer in astrology she is! Also learned more about her rather constant battle with illnesses all through her life. > > On Jun 11, 2013, at 2:25 PM, kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: > >> I agree, CC! This was my favorite Joni interview yet. I keep replaying >> and savoring it in my head ;-) >> >> Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:02:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IE5ldyBMaWJyYXJ5IGl0ZW06IEFtb25nIHRoZSBjYW52YXNlc zogQmVo?= =?utf-8?B?aW5kIHRoZSBzY2VuZXMgYXQgSm9uaSBNaXRjaGVsbOKAmXMgaG9tZQ==?= It was so cool to spend over an hour and half listening to her. The interview was so insightful I don't even know where to begin, so I'll begin here: she did say that she should release the "Mingus" tapes, right?B B :) On the other side of the spectrum, sad to hear confirmation that her singing days are over-but I'm not surprised. Michael F. ________________________________ From: "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: New Library item: Among the canvases: Behind the scenes at Joni Mitchellbs home Title: Among the canvases: Behind the scenes at Joni Mitchellbs home Publication: CBC News Date: 2013.3.11 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2602 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:00:16 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: interview. No edit How about this? Is it possible to get a hold of the un edited version of this interview? It would be great to see it. Please let me know if anyone can find it. Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:52:55 +0100 (BST) From: Vincenzo Mancini Subject: Jian on interviewing Joni Another teaser ! http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/06/10/joni-mitchell-interview.html Vincenzo bThe trick is if you listen to that music and you see me, youbre not getting anything out of it,b she said in her CBC interview. bIf you listen to that music and you see yourself, it will probably make you cry and youbll learn something about yourself and now youbre getting something out of it, you know." bDepends on the venerator. You know, I mean, in a certain way, honour died in World War II. You know, it just kinda died. Not very many people know how to do it anymore. If they honour you wrong, it makes you arrogant, because it stung. If they honour you right, it's humbling because it's inspiring.b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:57:53 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Teaser video, Joni-Jian interview Waaaaaa! So close yet so far away. Looks like it is very doubtful for me unless a miracle happens. Will let you know. Hope you guys have a blast. Have a big announcement tomorrow so stay tuned for that. Love Paz On Jun 10, 2013, at 7:16 PM, Susan E. McNamara wrote: OK, so I just have to say that my excitement level is really off the charts right now with all this Joni news. This interview is going to be fantastic, and I agree with Joni, Jian is CUTE! ;-) I also thought his description of it as "Frost/Nixon" was hysterical!! Joni Mitchell, and I'm judging just by my intense scrutiny of her ART over the last 43 years, is A FORCE OF NATURE!!! HAHA ... Countdown to Toronto!!! Six days!!! Susan McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu ________________________________________ From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Michael quebec [michael_quebec@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:33 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Teaser video, Joni-Jian interview There's a cute teaser video up now on the National website http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/ where Jian gives his impressions of how he and his crew were received in Joni's home for the interview. Some great shots of her home, in the evening. Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:25:30 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Direct link to interview http://bit.ly/16ZYfJz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:13:51 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: The new Joni-Jian interview I agree on all Michael's bullet points and add a few of my own "most surprising discoveries" (after one listen through - more points may surface subsequently) When she is asked about her music and her sense of accomplishment with it her response was (gaze at the ceiling looking for answer) kind of "meh, it could have been better". Jian was intrigued by this from probably the greatest living songwriter and she couldn't really satisfy with the kind of answer he was fishing for. She seems much more satisfied with her painting. This may be because she hasn't played or sung in years and it feels foreign, but she still paints everyday. Some of her aloofness and hermit tendency was simply illness that she didn't wish to have discussed publicly. Mingus and Miles were arch rivals and he (Mingus) did not take kindly to Joni choosing Miles' late 60s band, or the use of electric instruments. Astrology is something Joni takes seriously despite the gypsy down on Bleeker St who took her 18 bucks. Joni had not played piano since 8th grade and her knuckle rapping teacher made her hate it, and yet with what must have been only a few months immersion she got the chops together to write and play piano compositions on LOTC, Blue, FTR, C&S, HOSL and DJRD. I have transcribed nearly all of these pieces and many of them are quite sophisticated, and somewhat hard to play. Again, no big dealI (JM) just picked up the piano again. She blames all manner of mysterious ENT issues on Morgellon's, spoken with her cigarette in mouth. Max Bennett told us he and his wife Teri were invited up to her house for a DVD viewing when the ballet came out and Joni's dog was coughing and spluttering on the couch as Joni breathed her second hand smoke right at him. Joni said "I don't know what's wrong with him; he seems to have some sort of upper respiratory disease." Jian was excellent: well prepared, polite and respectful, although needing her to keep on topic sometimes. Clearly her mind is somewhat tangential, with one idea spinning off another, and for a televised interview it was necessary to keep a bit more linear. She was good at quoting Buddhist teachings, Nietsche and lyrics from when she was 16 (how did she do that?) but couldn't remember T.S Eliot's name. She does good impressions: Dylan, Mingus, Rothschild, etc. I was half waiting for her to point a bony finger and say "I don't like you." Of course, she did like him and was possibly a little charmed. Her willingness to release alternative Mingus takes is exciting. There may be more Dave On Jun 11, 2013, at 5:59 PM, Michael quebec wrote: > Hi everyone, > > What a day it has been. I listened to the entire broadcast this morning as I > sat by my easel at work. I loved seeing how warm and cosy Joni's home is, and > how she seems to be ageing so gracefully. I'm still so touched by her humour, > her amazing self-awareness, and her vivacity. I've gone through the interview > material a few times, and many things struck me, in no particular order: > > She's building a second house on her land in BC ? > > Her clear attachment to Canada, the land, and the friends of her past. > > Warren Beatty doesn't like the media either, for fear of being misconstrued. > Funny she mentions Beatty still; I seem to remember his name associated with > the song, People's Parties. > > We're all being driven mad by an electronic world of cellphones and > satellites. > > Her most creative, playful childhood friends were gay guys. > > Her adamant defense of giving her daughter up for adoption for lack of > resources, not because it could have hampered the development of her career. > > She's cursed by astrology to be deeper than the average person, and has a > fundamental need to be different and original. > > If you listen to her music and see Joni the author, or Joni the celebrity, > you're missing the point. Communicaton only happens when you see yourself in > the music, and it touches you. This she believed was perhaps her greatest > accomplishment, as she stated near the end. > > How she applied the vocabulary and techniques of painting and filmaking to the > craft of songwriting. > > I thought it a shame to hear that she has lost the control of her voice, that > her sinusses are damaged by disease (she says as she puffs away...) > > I loved the observation, (when the women aren't singing in the kitchen, you've > got a sick nation.( > > That we're all on our own, let's face it; remove the crutches. > > How she beat the odds to stay alive, her tremendous lust for life, alternating > with periodic irritability : ) > > I look forward to seeing the artistic choices in the new ballet. > > To Jian's credit, he never asked her anything inapproriate about her personal > life, but I agree, at times he seemd a little impatient, but clearly he was > enthralled and charmed by her. I think he asked some great questions and was > generally very empathetic. > > I'm enjoying Joni's paintings more as I get older. > > Michael in Quebec, who really hates Mabel Mercer's rendition of BSN ! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:44:29 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Joni & Jian That is THE BEST interview that Joni Mitchell has ever given. When it clicks, it rocks.Best 104 minutes I have spent in years. CC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:50:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Anyone else attending Luminato? I've just sent an email out to those I've heard from that are attending Luminato. If you didn't get an email from me, then I have missed you, so please let me know. I've sent an email suggesting a dinner before the show. If you're interested, please let me know. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:32:28 -0500 From: mflaher3@yahoo.com Subject: Re: interview. No edit As it is property of the CBC, this will happen only if they put it up, which seems unlikely for now. I'd really love to see the rest of it, too. Michael F. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2013, at 8:00 PM, Marianne Rizzo wrote: > How about this? > Is it possible to get a hold of the un edited version of this interview? > > It would be great to see it. > Please let me know if anyone can find it. > Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:37:25 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #687 I think some of the jarring interruptions were actually edits... On Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:02:18 PM, >> But . . . one thing that I noticed is the interviewer interrupted joni a >> lot and he tried to phrase things for her. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:29:01 -0700 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Joni might release Minugus outtakes? Yes, she very definitely seems to want to release them! Yay! Love the thought that she may be going through the hidden gems with the thought of releasing more. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:50:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Jian Ghomeshi sneak preview http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2013/06/10/joni-mitchell-interview.html Also, click on the video link on that page. Joni's voice sounds a bit croaky. I hope it's just a cold or allergies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 10:43:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Jim Corcoran and Joni Mitchell I've come across a number of articles about Jim Corcoran, who is a singer-songwriter and radio host on CBC radio, where he says that he got into the radio-show hosting as a result of an interview he did with Joni Mitchell for Musique Plus in the 80s. I can't find anything for this particular interview either on JM.com or doing a google search. Does anyone (with either a really good memory and the good fortune to have been listening to Musique Plus at the time, or else better search skills than mine) happen to know if this interview exists anywhere out there? Jim is an anglophone Quebecker who speaks French and whose music is mostly (maybe all?) in French. His radio show is meant to introduce English-speaking people to French/Quebecois music. Here are a few references to the interview: "The idea for the show [where Corcoran plays French music for Anglos] started in the late 1980s after Corcoran was asked to interview Joni Mitchell for the music video broadcaster Musique Plus. A Montreal producer caught the program and came up with the idea for the radio show..." http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/music/2013/05/10/jim_corcoran_bridges_fr enchenglish_divide_on_cbc_radio_show.html From La Presse July 22, 2008. Translated by me. Marc Cassivi of LaPresse asks JC if he likes being considered a "talent scout." Jim replies: I wish someone had done that for me when I was starting out. When I love something, I love it. I don't reserve my superlatives just for the "consecrated" artists. The funny thing is, this all began thanks to Joni Mitchell. I was asked to interview her for Musique Plus twenty years ago for the "Transit" show. I was nervous, but it all came about thanks to Joni Mitchell. Andre Lariviere, who worked for CBC, thought it would be a good idea and proposed this show. Thanks to Joni Mitchell, I'm still here 20 years later." http://www.lapresse.ca/arts/spectacles-et-theatre/200809/08/01-666267-jim-cor coran-vingt-ans-de-francophilie.php ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:31:36 +0100 (BST) From: Vincenzo Mancini Subject: Jian on interviewing Joni Just found this ! http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/Shows/The+National/ID/2390589934/ How to download it? Vincenzo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 01:03:00 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Joni interview Just finished watching this amazing interview ... and I just want to give Jian great kudos. He was an excellent respectful and disciplined! interviewer ... He really did a great job in corraling Joni in at points and she took it in good stride. I was most excited about the talk of releasing the Mingus tapes too, what a gift that would be!!! I also totally agree with Joni about the classical nature of Song To A Seagull and how it was more symphonic than folk ... I always felt that way. I also loved the way that she always stepped back from the discussions of fame and brought it back to the process ... and boy did she skewer that guy who interviewed her about Dylan!!! It was almost as bad as Dylan skewering the guy from Time in Don't Look Back!!! HAHAHA! yet another great Dylan imitation. :-) Woo Woo Joni!!! Sue Susan McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu ________________________________________ From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Anita [lawntreader@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:41 PM To: Dave Blackburn Cc: kbhla@fastmail.fm; ckarma@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni interview I am with you all - terrific interview. What a blessing that she found the Chinese healer to help her spine and I think I appreciate, like you Dave, more what a fighter she has been. I reckon looking into the eyes of Death has certainly helped to give Joni a love for the ordinary things in Life. I love the fact that she is a pool player and sounds like a real Pin Ball Wizard/Witch who likes to play to Duke Ellington as soundtrack. Great stuff. Anita On 11 Jun 2013, at 22:51, Dave Blackburn wrote: > I didn't know what a believer in astrology she is! Also learned more about her rather constant battle with illnesses all through her life. > > On Jun 11, 2013, at 2:25 PM, kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: > >> I agree, CC! This was my favorite Joni interview yet. I keep replaying >> and savoring it in my head ;-) >> >> Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:43:42 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Joni interview video direct download link Thanks to Mona for the link! And, for the true Joni Junkies out there, here's a link to a few more formats of the video (including DVD!) just in case the MP4 doesn't suit you: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/w2flgngfi1a6c05/qzCwzru_rT It may take a number of hours for additional formats to upload, so check back at the link tomorrow for more options... Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:33:38 +0000 From: Michael quebec Subject: Teaser video, Joni-Jian interview There's a cute teaser video up now on the National website http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/ where Jian gives his impressions of how he and his crew were received in Joni's home for the interview. Some great shots of her home, in the evening. Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 11:49:04 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?New_Library_item:_Among_the_canvases:_B?= =?UTF-8?Q?ehind_the_scenes_at_Joni_Mitchell=E2=80=99s_home?= Title: Among the canvases: Behind the scenes at Joni Mitchellbs home Publication: CBC News Date: 2013.3.11 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2602 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:30:56 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Direct link to interview Thank you. Watching now. Best Paz On Jun 11, 2013, at 9:25 AM, Les Irvin wrote: http://bit.ly/16ZYfJz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:06:56 +0100 (BST) From: Fabio Cocchi Subject: Joni's interviewed by Jian I saw her.....loved her! She is a true genius !!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:24:38 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: Interview - paintings vs. music She has her paintings all around her But she does not seem to want her songs around her. Not at the moment Does this have anything to do with, " paint a starry night again." He painted it, that was it. . ." I don't think so Inverse. . . Huh? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:58:48 -0400 From: "Gary Z." Subject: Re: Teaser video, Joni-Jian interview I agree completely! Joni was just beautiful! I so loved seeing and hearing her again. I'm anxious to hear the whole interview too. I don't care if she smokes; or if some people find her views too critical, or what other people think about what she says or does or how she looks. They're entitled to their opinions as everyone is. But I love her because she's Joni - the same Joni I fell in love with in 1968. Gary Z. Detroit Michael quebec wrote: > My heart is full, what can I say ? just saw the ol gal on CBC The National. I > want to see it all. Gotta love her. > > See her paintings on the Q website, beautiful. > > http://www.cbc.ca/q/blog/2013/06/11/the-art-of-joni-mitchell/ > > Michael, misty-eyed in Quebec > > >> From: sem8@cornell.edu >> To: michael_quebec@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org >> Subject: RE: Teaser video, Joni-Jian interview >> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 00:16:50 +0000 >> >> OK, so I just have to say that my excitement level is really off the charts >> > right now with all this Joni news. This interview is going to be fantastic, > and I agree with Joni, Jian is CUTE! ;-) I also thought his description of > it as "Frost/Nixon" was hysterical!! Joni Mitchell, and I'm judging just by > my intense scrutiny of her ART over the last 43 years, is A FORCE OF NATURE!!! > HAHA ... Countdown to Toronto!!! Six days!!! > >> >> Susan McNamara >> email: sem8@cornell.edu >> ________________________________________ >> From: owner-joni@smoe.org [owner-joni@smoe.org] on behalf of Michael quebec >> > [michael_quebec@hotmail.com] > >> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:33 PM >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: Teaser video, Joni-Jian interview >> >> There's a cute teaser video up now on the National website >> http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/ where Jian gives his impressions of how he >> > and > >> his crew were received in Joni's home for the interview. Some great shots >> > of > >> her home, in the evening. >> >> Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:25:27 -0700 From: kbhla@fastmail.fm Subject: Joni interview I agree, CC! This was my favorite Joni interview yet. I keep replaying and savoring it in my head ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #214 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe