From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #213 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, June 13 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 213 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni interview video YouTube 3 parts HD [Moni Kellermann ] "What can I fight and what can I accept?" [Anita G ] Joni bounty [Mike and Patti Haskins ] Interview Dreams [Anita ] Re: The Interview [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:40:12 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Joni interview video YouTube 3 parts HD The interview is now on YouTube in 3 parts but better quality than the mp4 file of which I had posted the download link before. part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWEz_hpOQME part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsvz7BttBSo part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzKwsgy-U58 They are available as mp4 files in 720p (HD). To DOWNLOAD a video from YouTube there are many options. The easiest are extensions or browser plugins. Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/easy-youtube-video-downl-10137/ - - this will create an extra "download" button right on the YT video page. You can then choose the video format you want to download, it's also possible to select the audio format mp3 which comes in handy if you find a "video" which is actually just an uploaded audio recording. Or, in this case, if you want to have the interview on your mp3 player or in your car to just listen to as well. Opera: http://rossy2401.github.io/youtube-video-download/ - this script also creates a download button on each YT page which lets you choose the video format (for mobile phones as well) but is missing the audio option. If you are on a computer where you cannot or don't want to add any plugins or scripts, you can convert any video to mp3 by copying the YT page URL to http://anjo.to/ where you then can download the mp3 file. In case you prefer a fast stand-alone program, try http://www.4kdownload.com/products/product-videodownloader. It is available for Windows (also portable), Mac and Linux. You can download any available video format and/or extract the audio as mp3/m4a/ogg. The advantage of using this is that you can paste one URL after another and then - in this case, for example - download all 3 video parts simultaneously. Enjoy! moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:46:56 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: "What can I fight and what can I accept?" At this time in my life, I think I'd have to go for the ageing or illness inner turmoil Joni alludes to - mind you, for her, it;s been a lifelong struggle. Maybe that's why she is so wise. However, I couldn't help noticing in the interview that she was able to cross her left leg over her right - something these days that, despite my yoga, pilates and swimming, defies me. Do I fight or accept? Contributions welcome, Anita On 12/06/2013, Dave Blackburn wrote: > "We didn't Molly-Coddle her" Are you listening, modern parents? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:13:08 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: The Interview Great point. I think Joni has her usual memorized interview responses that are quotable and not that revealing, as perhaps do all celebrities. Jian pushed her a little past being able to regurgitate them and notice how she was lost for an answer on more than one occasion, staring at the ceiling thinking, perhaps, "damn, I don't have the answer memorized for that one." He was kind of amazed at how little she seemed proud of her life's musical legacy (Myrtle's training at work?) and he wanted to pursue this further but she seemed oddly diffident about answering, speaking in generalities and making highly dubious claims like "people hated Blue at the time" (my paraphrase). On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Anita G wrote: > Chris wrote: > "To you and I, Joni's tales, her >> meanderings, the pit-stops and tangents - they all hold awesome nuggets of >> insight. But to the average shmoe, they don't. Finding a balance to try and >> make it interesting for everyone is Jian's job. Then add in how nervous he >> must've been... I haven't always loved every little piece I've seen him do, >> but as an arts journo, he definitely knows what he's doing. And, say what >> you >> might, he did this very, VERY well." > > I am absolutely with you on this, Chris. I am a part-time amateur > interviewer and trying to get something that's interesting or tells > someone more about the interviewee demands skill - getting an > interviewee away from their usual 'story' requires good listening and > contact.To step up to interview someone of Joni's experience, > reticence and personal power is a tall order. I thought Jian was > really challenging at times and I think Joni really rose to the > challenge. There were some very sharp edits (goodness I wanted to hear > the Guerin wedding story in full) which must have jarred if you were > listening to audio. I so much preferred this to the old WOHAM > documentary which strikes me as somewhat controlled and insipid in > comparison to this latest more insightful, less sychphantic piece. > Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:11:02 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: "What can I fight and what can I accept?" What a thread that could be. I wouldn't know where to start. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:54:49 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: The Interview Chris wrote: "To you and I, Joni's tales, her > meanderings, the pit-stops and tangents - they all hold awesome nuggets of > insight. But to the average shmoe, they don't. Finding a balance to try and > make it interesting for everyone is Jian's job. Then add in how nervous he > must've been... I haven't always loved every little piece I've seen him do, > but as an arts journo, he definitely knows what he's doing. And, say what > you > might, he did this very, VERY well." I am absolutely with you on this, Chris. I am a part-time amateur interviewer and trying to get something that's interesting or tells someone more about the interviewee demands skill - getting an interviewee away from their usual 'story' requires good listening and contact.To step up to interview someone of Joni's experience, reticence and personal power is a tall order. I thought Jian was really challenging at times and I think Joni really rose to the challenge. There were some very sharp edits (goodness I wanted to hear the Guerin wedding story in full) which must have jarred if you were listening to audio. I so much preferred this to the old WOHAM documentary which strikes me as somewhat controlled and insipid in comparison to this latest more insightful, less sychphantic piece. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:10:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike and Patti Haskins Subject: Joni bounty Coming out of lurkdom to say I really am enjoying this bounty of Joni and wishing I could attend the Toronto festivities. I hope those of you attending have a wonderful time and can't wait to read the reports. Patti Haskins ________________________________ From: Moni Kellermann To: JMDL Sent: Wed, June 12, 2013 9:52:26 AM Subject: Joni interview video YouTube 3 parts HD The interview is now on YouTube in 3 parts but better quality than the mp4 file of which I had posted the download link before. part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWEz_hpOQME part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsvz7BttBSo part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzKwsgy-U58 They are available as mp4 files in 720p (HD). To DOWNLOAD a video from YouTube there are many options. The easiest are extensions or browser plugins. Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/easy-youtube-video-downl-10137/ - this will create an extra "download" button right on the YT video page. You can then choose the video format you want to download, it's also possible to select the audio format mp3 which comes in handy if you find a "video" which is actually just an uploaded audio recording. Or, in this case, if you want to have the interview on your mp3 player or in your car to just listen to as well. Opera: http://rossy2401.github.io/youtube-video-download/ - this script also creates a download button on each YT page which lets you choose the video format (for mobile phones as well) but is missing the audio option. If you are on a computer where you cannot or don't want to add any plugins or scripts, you can convert any video to mp3 by copying the YT page URL to http://anjo.to/ where you then can download the mp3 file. In case you prefer a fast stand-alone program, try http://www.4kdownload.com/products/product-videodownloader. It is available for Windows (also portable), Mac and Linux. You can download any available video format and/or extract the audio as mp3/m4a/ogg. The advantage of using this is that you can paste one URL after another and then - in this case, for example - download all 3 video parts simultaneously. Enjoy! moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:43:48 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Interview Dreams How wonderful to wake this morning to do many posts! Great insights and hearts. I had such happy dreams last night. And I might even mention BALLET again here :-)) Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Interview I doubt people hated "Blue" at the time. It seems to me that *everyone* had a copy of "Blue" back then. Maybe a few reviewers didn't like it, but I doubt even that. The few I did find from the time were very positive. Maybe she's referring to her male friends (Kris Kristofferson and Johnny Cash) telling her she was being too open and that she should keep some of herself for herself, but that's not hate either, and she did discuss that, not as people hating it but friends, particularly male friends, warning her, maybe trying to protect her. Maybe she meant that a few fans didn't care for it, but that I also find hard to believe. I don't recall anyone at the time saying they hated it, but that was a long time ago. If you never got into Joni's music to begin with, it doesn't count. I also find it strange that, on the one hand, she seems unhappy with her musical output but, on the other, that she says she had no peers at the time, which suggests that she believes her music to be superior to anything else at the time. She compares herself to Duke Ellington, among others, but he was before her time, so not a peer. Also interesting is that, although she is generally happy with a painting and knows when it's done, she doesn't like to listen to her recordings because she keeps thinking she could have, should have, done something differently. Contrast this with her remark from many years ago that you "wouldn't ask Van Gogh to paint another starry night, man," as a reason why she doesn't like performing her older catalogue. It's true that, once a painting is done, it is done. The paint has dried and you move on to another. (But many painters will paint the same scene many times, trying to capture different light or something about the scene.) But, if you perform an old song again, you can renew it and make it completely different, as we've seen and heard from the various live album songs being so very different from earlier recordings, and the original recording of BSN, compared to the Travelogue version. She is a complicated person but then, how many of us are so truly happy with the things we do that we don't try to second-guess ourselves? Maybe it's because she recognizes that she has lived quite a long time and is becoming reflective about various aspects of her life. The trouble with being perfect, though, is, where do you go from there? Maybe it relates to her saying that painting is a more zen-like activity, because you're not really thinking (or overthinking) as you do it, whereas, for Joni at least, the process of writing songs, maybe lyrics more than music, involves too much self-critique as you're going and, if you're criticizing yourself all along, you will probably never be happy with the outcome. So, yes, it is much like the over-critical parent, where, no matter how well the child performs, it is never quite good enough. >________________________________ > From: Dave Blackburn >To: Anita G >Cc: Christopher Treacy ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 2:13:08 PM >Subject: Re: The Interview > > >Great point. I think Joni has her usual memorized interview responses that are quotable and not that revealing, as perhaps do all celebrities. Jian pushed her a little past being able to regurgitate them and notice how she was lost for an answer on more than one occasion, staring at the ceiling thinking, perhaps, "damn, I don't have the answer memorized for that one." He was kind of amazed at how little she seemed proud of her life's musical legacy (Myrtle's training at work?) and he wanted to pursue this further but she seemed oddly diffident about answering, speaking in generalities and making highly dubious claims like "people hated Blue at the time" (my paraphrase). ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #213 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe