From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #177 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, May 13 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 177 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The other J in WWJD, and Luminato ["Cassy" ] Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world [Bo] New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world [TheStaff] Re: jmdl history [Catherine McKay ] Fwd: Taming The Tiger now Joni Fests [Anita ] RE: Taming The Tiger ["Susan E. McNamara" ] RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world [Bob] Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world [Bob] Retro Covers, Volume 85 [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world [Cat] Retro Covers, Volume 85 [Bob Muller ] Re:Taming The Tiger [Anita ] Re: jmdl history [Anita ] Re: jmdl history [Catherine McKay ] Re: Retro Covers, Volume 85 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world [Les ] Re: Re:Taming The Tiger ["Mark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:52:31 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: The other J in WWJD, and Luminato My niece, Rachel, snagged me a couple of copies of the WWJD poster from the original shop http://www.commonsort.com/ that they were available from and also discovered a new place to shop while she was doing it for me. I do think it was Patti Witten who originated the thought some years ago though I could be wrong. warmly, Cassy - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 1:24 PM To: Jonilist Subject: The other J in WWJD, and Luminato This was posted to Luminato's Facebook page. I hope the link works. (I tested it without being logged into FB and it worked for me.) These posters were up last year. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=616751355020739&set=a.123202491042297 .15686.110573642305182&type=1&theater ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:52:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world It's possible those spelling and grammar mistakes were in transcription, not necessarily in the original article.> That thought did occur to me, but I assume that these old articles are just copied verbatim from print. Les? 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:20:49 -0600 (MDT) From: TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Subject: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Title: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Publication: Toronto Globe and Mail Date: 1974.2.9 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2577 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:27:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: jmdl history I love you You love me We're a happy family. I can't believe I'm quoting a song from Barney, the purple dinosaur. >________________________________ > From: Laura Stanley >To: Catherine McKay >Cc: Anita ; David J. Phillips ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 7:45:27 AM >Subject: Re: jmdl history > > >Hi Catherine, > > I like you! I wish we could go to a Jonifest together again!!! > > I am an apprentice of Joni in addition to being a fan. I love to study her music and style and have spent hours and hours doing so. That's how I found the website and the JMDL. I was looking for chords to Joni's songs online. I was new to the Internet and typed in Joni Mitchell chords. What a bonus... the JMDL!! So since then I have played that warm chord and stayed. > > The first song I learned in Joni's alternate tuning style from the website was Conversation. I was so excited that it sounded right I shared it immediately with my family. I still get excited like that when I play one of Joni's songs and it sounds right. > >And yes David, I know what you are talking about in the realm of personal growth and the JMDL. I love and appreciated you all!!! > >Love, >Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 19:45:23 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Fwd: Taming The Tiger now Joni Fests > Yes the power went out but I remember being stunned by Kay Ashley running through loads of Hejira by candlelight and being amazed! > > And yes, Cath, we have known each other ten years and in that time your wit, good humour and heart have been a source of great sustenance for me, > > Anita > > On 12 May 2013, at 18:12, Catherine McKay wrote: > >> It's SO hard to believe that was ten years ago. That means I've known you for ten years, Anita! Likewise a bunch of others who were at that one. That was the night the power went out for a number of hours, wasn't it? >> >> I don't remember when I joined the jmdl either, but it wasn't at the very beginning. It was some time between the very beginning and that 2003 fest. >> >> My first Joni Fest was to the Full Moon in 2003 and the >> whole thing just blew me away and, of course, Ashara took delivery of >> Joni's guitar for me and brought it to the Fest. One of the best days >> of my life, ever. I can't believe it will be 10 years this August - >> hell, I wasn't even 50! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 20:26:18 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: Taming The Tiger Great minds weep alike!!! I just downloaded my whole Joni collection on to my new Iphone, and Stay In Touch came on today within the shuffle. I had the same exact reaction. What a beautiful song. One of the memories I have of Taming the Tiger was listening to Joni do some of the songs live before the album came out, like Crazy Cries of Love and Happiness is the Best Facelift. I realized I didn't like the studio versions as much as some of the live versions she performed on TV and radio. One of my favorite JM songs to play is Love Puts On A New Face. Thanks Anita!!! Love, Sue Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Anita Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 3:00 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Taming The Tiger TTT - an album I never really got very in to - how surprising to find this last week I have played it all the time in my car. Today, I played 'Stay In Touch' and, out of the blue, found myself weeping rather a lot. I found myself thinking of you all and, in these Twittery and FB days, hope, in these coming years, we do, indeed, stay in touch With Love Anita ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:59:55 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Thanks Sue - I didn't want to be the first to say that this article was pretty poor. (Like some of the folks that cover Joni songs are pretty poor.) This part stuck out to me: "Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Carly Simon and Gordon Lightfoot have some things in common besides the fact that they have all put out new albums within the last month. For one thing, they all used to be folk singers. Not one of them could be called that now without doing severe damage to the traditional concept of the folk singer as one person with one instrument. It's time to change the definition." (Me) No, it's not 'time to change the definition', it's time to realize that perhaps some if not all of these artists left that idiom and evolved in their careers. Also, the use of the word "purest" instead of "purist", and this sentence: "The band will do it's own set tomorrow and then back up Miss Mitchell in her Massey Hall concert." Yes, I'm a grammar nerd. It's supposed to be its, not it's. Bob From: "Susan E. McNamara" To: "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" , "joni@smoe.org" Date: 05/13/2013 12:53 PM Subject: RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Sorry, but my head blew up when I read this: "The worst example of this is her last album, For the Roses which is poetically interesting but musically dull." Stopped reading since I had no head. Susan Tierney McNamara email:B sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Title: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Publication: Toronto Globe and Mail Date: 1974.2.9 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2577 - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:16:02 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world OK, well I rescind my grammar complaints, but this writer is still pretty jerky in my book. Was also surprised that there was no mention of Blue. Bob From: Les Irvin To: Joni List Date: 05/13/2013 02:06 PM Subject: Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Someone manually transcribed this article from a very poor copy (see PDF link on page) so it's possible there were some typos in one or both, I have not checked. On 5/13/2013 11:52 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > It's possible those spelling and grammar mistakes were in transcription, > not necessarily in the original article.> > > That thought did occur to me, but I assume that these old articles are > just copied verbatim from print. Les? - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:24:20 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Retro Covers, Volume 85 I very much enjoyed Freddy White's cover of Troubled Child.- so much in fact, that I took a look at his website and saw he also has also covered A Case of You and Talk to Me which I am sure you already know. He has quite the voice and sounds like he's a pretty talented guitarist as well. This cover is one of the better I have heard from your collection in quite some time. I also liked Keith James cover of Woodstock and saw that he has 2 songbooks out - 1 titled "THE GREAT CANADIAN SONGBOOK" which he describes as his interpretations of songs by Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen and the other titled the songs of Leonard Cohen. And speaking of good Joni covers. I keep waiting for you to release the cover of Rachel Fuller's Blue which I snagged years ago from you and then lost it when my lap top crashed. That is among my favorites. Any thoughts about releasing that cover any time soon? Thanks for all the hard work - I may not comment too often anymore but I usually give a listen to your weekly retro covers. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:53:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world That was the one for me too. Just made me think, "Dumbass! You thought you were so smart, back in '74!" >________________________________ > From: Susan E. McNamara >To: "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" ; "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:50:32 PM >Subject: RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world > > >Sorry, but my head blew up when I read this: "The worst example of this is her last album, For the Roses which is poetically interesting but musically dull." Stopped reading since I had no head. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 11:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Retro Covers, Volume 85 Hi Gang, Busy day today but enough time to throw another set of retro covers at ya. Here's a re-run of Volume 85, chock full of Joni-related goodness. Fun fact - Marc Copland has recorded RNH 4 times! http://goo.gl/Yolqn The Batting Order: 1. Marc Copland - Rainy Night House 2. Freddie White - Trouble Child 3. Ian & Helen C - Big Yellow Taxi 4. Keith James - Woodstock 5. Nancy Hunter - River 6. Hayley Westenra - Both Sides Now 7. Sharon Bradley - Urge For Going 8. Sharon Bradley - Carey 9. Eishu - The Circle Game 10. Siggi Schwartz & The Rock Legend - Woodstock 11. Bernardo Lanzetti - Big Yellow Taxi 12. Lamajam - Woodstock 13. Ricky Page - Chelsea Morning 14. Bob Plews and Friends - A Case Of You 15. Chanel Cole - River 16. Todd Gordon - Both Sides Now 17. Megalomanaics - Big Yellow Taxi 18. Fresh Cut Salads - Woodstock 18 songs - 18 hits! Enjoy. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 22:15:16 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re:Taming The Tiger > I love that great minds weep alike! What a great line. > > I found myself enjoying so much of the album. How often have I listened to something of Joni 's and, years later, thought 'I really get that, now'. > > Must check out the live versions, Sue, thanks > > Anita > > On 10 May 2013, at 21:26, "Susan E. McNamara" wrote: > >> Great minds weep alike!!! I just downloaded my whole Joni collection on to my new Iphone, and Stay In Touch came on today within the shuffle. I had the same exact reaction. What a beautiful song. One of the memories I have of Taming the Tiger was listening to Joni do some of the songs live before the album came out, like Crazy Cries of Love and Happiness is the Best Facelift. I realized I didn't like the studio versions as much as some of the live versions she performed on TV and radio. One of my favorite JM songs to play is Love Puts On A New Face. >> >> Thanks Anita!!! Love, Sue >> >> Susan Tierney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:07:47 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: jmdl history David, what an eloquent validation for JMDL and for fandom! I like This Space more and more and it's so good to hear how you arrived here, Anita On 12 May 2013, at 17:56, "David J. Phillips" wrote: > Anita and others have been asking about, and remembering, when we first came to mdl, and when jmdl first came to us. > > I was finishing my PhD and teaching in Ann Arbor for a year - the 95-96 academic year. I don't now how I found jmdl, but oh, what a liberation. This is what it gave me: > > - a way to while away lots of time not writing > - first dibs on news of TTT (including the early demo versions, like "love cries") > - first dibs on Kilauren news > > but, most importantly, validation for my LOVE LOVE LOVE of Joni Mitchell. > > I often use this list in my lectures as a metaphor for the personal and political reasons for coming out. First, there's the joy of recognizing people like yourself, then there's the pleasure of becoming accepted by and interacting with those people, then there's the political work of making sure people like yourself are valued. > > This list has done all of that for me. Seriously, believe it or not, it's let me get over the shame of being a Joni fan (fan being short, of course, for "fanatic" and fanaticism not being highly valued in my staid and measured world.) If people like you are fans, then goddamn it, I'm one too. I don't care who knows it. And more than that, the world is a better place because of us! Wheeee. > > djp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 14:41:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: jmdl history I'm glad this has come up. I know we've done the "how I found the list" thing before, but it pays to revisit, for the newbies and the old'uns as well. I know that many of us have said how we heaved a huge sigh of relief when we discovered there were others out there like us - Joni fans! How many of us, the minute we got internet access, typed in "Joni Mitchell" in whatever search engine was current at the time? I don't think it's just in the academic realm that a person might be a bit reluctant to make him- or herself vulnerable enough to admit a love for Joni. I don't know why that is. I suppose I might be the same about admitting a love for pretty much anything to people. Maybe it's the fear of ridicule, or maybe the fear of the other person having NO idea who or what you were talking about. And there's the whole "professional" thing. I'm not sure if anyone I worked with, with a few possible exceptions, had any clue about my private life at all, much less my Joni-fandom. I always kept my personal life and my work life completely separate. Of course, there are people who have absolutely no shame or fear of that sort of thing, and I wish I were one of them, because life is way too short to worry more about what others think of you than what you think of them (which is equally valid - I know this on an objective level, but still worry too much about whether or not other people are going to like me.) >________________________________ > From: Anita >To: David J. Phillips >Cc: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:07:47 PM >Subject: Re: jmdl history > > >David, what an eloquent validation for JMDL and for fandom! I like This Space more and more and it's so good to hear how you arrived here, > >Anita > >On 12 May 2013, at 17:56, "David J. Phillips" wrote: > >> Anita and others have been asking about, and remembering, when we first came to mdl, and when jmdl first came to us. >> >> I was finishing my PhD and teaching in Ann Arbor for a year - the 95-96 academic year. I don't now how I found jmdl, but oh, what a liberation. This is what it gave me: >> >> - a way to while away lots of time not writing >> - first dibs on news of TTT (including the early demo versions, like "love cries") >> - first dibs on Kilauren news >> >> but, most importantly, validation for my LOVE LOVE LOVE of Joni Mitchell. >> >> I often use this list in my lectures as a metaphor for the personal and political reasons for coming out. First, there's the joy of recognizing people like yourself, then there's the pleasure of becoming accepted by and interacting with those people, then there's the political work of making sure people like yourself are valued. >> >> This list has done all of that for me. Seriously, believe it or not, it's let me get over the shame of being a Joni fan (fan being short, of course, for "fanatic" and fanaticism not being highly valued in my staid and measured world.) If people like you are fans, then goddamn it, I'm one too. I don't care who knows it. And more than that, the world is a better place because of us! Wheeee. >> >> djp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:54:26 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Retro Covers, Volume 85 Hi Stewart, and thanks so much for your post - no, in fact I did NOT know about the other Joni covers you mention (I'd like to confirm that his "Talk To Me" is Joni's, there are a couple other Talk To Me's out there). No doubt on the ACOY, however TTM has only been done once, by Ian Shaw. So I appreciate your email and will send you a copy of that Rachel Fuller track posthaste. (It's on volume 97, still a ways off). Bob From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com To: joni@smoe.org Cc: scjoniguy@yahoo.com Date: 05/13/2013 03:38 PM Subject: Retro Covers, Volume 85 Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org I very much enjoyed Freddy White's cover of Troubled Child.- so much in fact, that I took a look at his website and saw he also has also covered A Case of You and Talk to Me which I am sure you already know. He has quite the voice and sounds like he's a pretty talented guitarist as well. This cover is one of the better I have heard from your collection in quite some time. I also liked Keith James cover of Woodstock and saw that he has 2 songbooks out - 1 titled "THE GREAT CANADIAN SONGBOOK" which he describes as his interpretations of songs by Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen and the other titled the songs of Leonard Cohen. And speaking of good Joni covers. I keep waiting for you to release the cover of Rachel Fuller's Blue which I snagged years ago from you and then lost it when my lap top crashed. That is among my favorites. Any thoughts about releasing that cover any time soon? Thanks for all the hard work - I may not comment too often anymore but I usually give a listen to your weekly retro covers. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:10:09 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Someone manually transcribed this article from a very poor copy (see PDF link on page) so it's possible there were some typos in one or both, I have not checked. On 5/13/2013 11:52 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > It's possible those spelling and grammar mistakes were in transcription, > not necessarily in the original article.> > > That thought did occur to me, but I assume that these old articles are > just copied verbatim from print. Les? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 18:46:09 -0700 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Re:Taming The Tiger I remember hearing 'Happiness Is the Best Facelift' on the radio during the Wells Fargo Theater show. It projected a message to me that helped pull me out of a dark part of my life and find a new facelift. She also did 'Crazy Cries of Love' which at that point was simply 'Love's Cries'. 'No paper thin walls, no folks above, no-one else can hear love's cries'. A couple of wonderful monologues in that show as well. Unlike a lot of our members, I loved 'Taming the Tiger' from the first listen. It has a soothing quality to it, for me, anyway. I'm one of the few who liked the sound of the guitar that Joni programmed the VG-8 to produce throughout most of the recording. 'Stay in Touch' and 'Love Puts on a New Face' are such beautiful songs. Joni in her maturity almost sounding like she had found some contentment at last. Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Anita Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 2:15 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re:Taming The Tiger > I love that great minds weep alike! What a great line. > > I found myself enjoying so much of the album. How often have I listened to > something of Joni 's and, years later, thought 'I really get that, now'. > > Must check out the live versions, Sue, thanks > > Anita > > On 10 May 2013, at 21:26, "Susan E. McNamara" wrote: > >> Great minds weep alike!!! I just downloaded my whole Joni collection on >> to my new Iphone, and Stay In Touch came on today within the shuffle. I >> had the same exact reaction. What a beautiful song. One of the memories >> I have of Taming the Tiger was listening to Joni do some of the songs >> live before the album came out, like Crazy Cries of Love and Happiness is >> the Best Facelift. I realized I didn't like the studio versions as much >> as some of the live versions she performed on TV and radio. One of my >> favorite JM songs to play is Love Puts On A New Face. >> >> Thanks Anita!!! Love, Sue >> >> Susan Tierney ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #177 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe