From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #176 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, May 13 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 176 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: jmdl history [Laura Stanley ] Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world [Ca] Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world [Rich] RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world ["Sus] RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world ["Sus] imdl history [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: jmdl history [Anita G ] RE: imdl history ["Susan E. McNamara" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 06:45:27 -0500 From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: jmdl history Hi Catherine, I like you! I wish we could go to a Jonifest together again!!! I am an apprentice of Joni in addition to being a fan. I love to study her music and style and have spent hours and hours doing so. That's how I found the website and the JMDL. I was looking for chords to Joni's songs online. I was new to the Internet and typed in Joni Mitchell chords. What a bonus... the JMDL!! So since then I have played that warm chord and stayed. The first song I learned in Joni's alternate tuning style from the website was Conversation. I was so excited that it sounded right I shared it immediately with my family. I still get excited like that when I play one of Joni's songs and it sounds right. And yes David, I know what you are talking about in the realm of personal growth and the JMDL. I love and appreciated you all!!! Love, Laura Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > I'm glad this has come up. I know we've done the "how I found the list" thing > before, but it pays to revisit, for the newbies and the old'uns as well. I > know that many of us have said how we heaved a huge sigh of relief when we > discovered there were others out there like us - Joni fans! How many of us, > the minute we got internet access, typed in "Joni Mitchell" in whatever search > engine was current at the time? > > I don't think it's just in the academic realm > that a person might be a bit reluctant to make him- or herself vulnerable > enough to admit a love for Joni. I don't know why that is. I suppose I might > be the same about admitting a love for pretty much anything to people. Maybe > it's the fear of ridicule, or maybe the fear of the other person having NO > idea who or what you were talking about. And there's the whole "professional" > thing. I'm not sure if anyone I worked with, with a few possible exceptions, > had any clue about my private life at all, much less my Joni-fandom. I always > kept my personal life and my work life completely separate. Of course, there > are people who have absolutely no shame or fear of that sort of thing, and I > wish I were one of them, because life is way too short to worry more about > what others think of you than what you think of them (which is equally valid - > I know this on an objective level, but still worry too much about whether or > not other people are going to like me.) >> ________________________________ >> From: Anita >> To: David J. Phillips >> Cc: "joni@smoe.org" > >> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:07:47 PM >> Subject: Re: jmdl > history >> >> >> David, what an eloquent validation for JMDL and for fandom! I > like This Space more and more and it's so good to hear how you arrived here, >> >> Anita >> >> On 12 May 2013, at 17:56, "David J. Phillips" > wrote: >> >>> Anita and others have been asking about, > and remembering, when we first came to mdl, and when jmdl first came to us. >>> >>> I was finishing my PhD and teaching in Ann Arbor for a year - the 95-96 > academic year. I don't now how I found jmdl, but oh, what a liberation. This > is what it gave me: >>> >>> - a way to while away lots of time not writing >>> - > first dibs on news of TTT (including the early demo versions, like "love > cries") >>> - first dibs on Kilauren news >>> >>> but, most importantly, > validation for my LOVE LOVE LOVE of Joni Mitchell. >>> >>> I often use this > list in my lectures as a metaphor for the personal and political reasons for > coming out. First, there's the joy of recognizing people like yourself, then > there's the pleasure of becoming accepted by and interacting with those > people, then there's the political work of making sure people like yourself > are valued. >>> >>> This list has done all of that for me. Seriously, believe > it or not, it's let me get over the shame of being a Joni fan (fan being > short, of course, for "fanatic" and fanaticism not being highly valued in my > staid and measured world.) If people like you are fans, then goddamn it, I'm > one too. I don't care who knows it. And more than that, the world is a better > place because of us! Wheeee. >>> >>> djp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:55:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world It's possible those spelling and grammar mistakes were in transcription, not necessarily in the original article. Not that it makes that much difference. The author's snootiness still shows through. I'm not sure anyone knows that "folk music" really is. Everyone defines it differently. >________________________________ > From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" >To: Susan E. McNamara >Cc: "joni@smoe.org" >Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:59:55 PM >Subject: RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world > > >Thanks Sue - I didn't want to be the first to say that this article was >pretty poor. (Like some of the folks that cover Joni songs are pretty >poor.) > >This part stuck out to me: > >"Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Carly Simon and Gordon Lightfoot have some >things in common besides the fact that they have all put out new albums >within the last month. For one thing, they all used to be folk singers. >Not one of them could be called that now without doing severe damage to >the traditional concept of the folk singer as one person with one >instrument. It's time to change the definition." > >(Me) No, it's not 'time to change the definition', it's time to realize >that perhaps some if not all of these artists left that idiom and evolved >in their careers. > >Also, the use of the word "purest" instead of "purist", and this sentence: > >"The band will do it's own set tomorrow and then back up Miss Mitchell in >her Massey Hall concert." > >Yes, I'm a grammar nerd. It's supposed to be its, not it's. > >Bob > > > > >From: "Susan E. McNamara" >To: "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" , >"joni@smoe.org" >Date: 05/13/2013 12:53 PM >Subject: RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the >folk world >Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org > > > >Sorry, but my head blew up when I read this: "The worst example of this >is her last album, For the Roses which is poetically interesting but >musically dull." Stopped reading since I had no head. > >Susan Tierney McNamara >email:B sem8@cornell.edu > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of >TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com >Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:21 PM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world > >Title: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world >Publication: Toronto Globe and Mail >Date: 1974.2.9 > >http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2577 > >------------------------------------------------------------ >The information transmitted is intended only for the person >or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > >Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:17:35 -0400 From: Richard Flynn Subject: Re: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Well, the writer is smart enough to nail the relative merits of "Court & Spark" and "Planet Waves." Richard Flynn Professor of Literature Georgia Southern University https://sites.google.com/a/georgiasouthern.edu/rflynn/ On May 13, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > Someone manually transcribed this article from a very poor copy (see PDF link on page) so it's possible there were some typos in one or both, I have not checked. > > On 5/13/2013 11:52 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >> It's possible those spelling and grammar mistakes were in transcription, >> not necessarily in the original article.> >> >> That thought did occur to me, but I assume that these old articles are >> just copied verbatim from print. Les? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 16:50:32 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Sorry, but my head blew up when I read this: "The worst example of this is her last album, For the Roses which is poetically interesting but musically dull." Stopped reading since I had no head. Susan Tierney McNamara email:B sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Title: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Publication: Toronto Globe and Mail Date: 1974.2.9 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2577 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 18:24:21 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Yeah, bad grammar stops me in my tracks, too. It is interesting to think of how artists come into a genre when they are young because that is what is popular at the time, and then grow to create their own, totally new genre. Maybe the idea of any genre at all is the problem. Oh and by the way, I ADORE Gordon Lightfoot. Another amazing Canadian. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 1:00 PM To: Susan E. McNamara Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Thanks Sue - I didn't want to be the first to say that this article was pretty poor. (Like some of the folks that cover Joni songs are pretty poor.) This part stuck out to me: "Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Carly Simon and Gordon Lightfoot have some things in common besides the fact that they have all put out new albums within the last month. For one thing, they all used to be folk singers. Not one of them could be called that now without doing severe damage to the traditional concept of the folk singer as one person with one instrument. It's time to change the definition." (Me) No, it's not 'time to change the definition', it's time to realize that perhaps some if not all of these artists left that idiom and evolved in their careers. Also, the use of the word "purest" instead of "purist", and this sentence: "The band will do it's own set tomorrow and then back up Miss Mitchell in her Massey Hall concert." Yes, I'm a grammar nerd. It's supposed to be its, not it's. Bob From: "Susan E. McNamara" To: "TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com" , "joni@smoe.org" Date: 05/13/2013 12:53 PM Subject: RE: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org Sorry, but my head blew up when I read this: "The worst example of this is her last album, For the Roses which is poetically interesting but musically dull." Stopped reading since I had no head. Susan Tierney McNamara email:B sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of TheStaff@JoniMitchell.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: New Library item: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Title: Growing old - and maudlin - in the folk world Publication: Toronto Globe and Mail Date: 1974.2.9 http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=2577 - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:48:17 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: imdl history Hey everyone, I've posted my story before but it's nice to reminisce. I originally joined in the early days too but dropped off for several years. I was studying Neuroscience at the Australian National University (ANU) around 1995/6 and hadn't used a computer before. The university had Mac labs all over campus as well as in my student residence. I loved the novelty so zoomed around the web and fell upon the Joni Mitchell Discussion List. Of course, it was because of searching for all things Joni, my favourite subject. Academia took precedence so, I eased off until I moved back to Sydney where, I reconnected and rediscovered a lot of lovely people like Bob, Catherine, Anita, et al. That's my story. Mark in Sydney NP Eyes Wide Open - Gotye ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:02:55 +0100 From: Anita G Subject: Re: jmdl history It seems that most people are starting this thread with 'I've shared this story of how I came to the List before, but.....' It's awful in some ways, but it all seems so new to me! Is this one of the advantages of becoming more forgetful? Everything seems new and interesting.....I suppose the seasons they go round and round....... and so do I....... Anita x ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 21:20:15 +0000 From: "Susan E. McNamara" Subject: RE: imdl history It's fun to reminisce about the old days. I had so much Joni memorabilia in the back of my head, finally having somewhere to bring it was one of the happiest days of my life!!! But like most obsessions it gets crazy after a while. I also had to let it go and focus on other things, even though the first couple of years was very exhilarating. I know I've told my story here before about how I worked with Wally on his Cafi (which was his begrudging agreement to have a discussion area at JM.com. He was not a big fan of forums.) But as I look back now, the timing was perfect. JM.com started in 1995 and then Les started the JMDL in 1996, and both these entities worked together to create the beautiful website and vibrant discussion list we all love today, including Bob's covers, Simon's Chronology, guitar and piano, Jonifests, etc. (and also played a big part in helping Kilauren find Joni). Kudos!! Jimmy, I loved your description of the memorial to Wally at Pazfest 2000. I wasn't able to go and did not know about that. How wonderful! Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Mark-Leon Thorne Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 3:48 AM To: djp@davidjphillips.org Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: imdl history Hey everyone, I've posted my story before but it's nice to reminisce. I originally joined in the early days too but dropped off for several years. I was studying Neuroscience at the Australian National University (ANU) around 1995/6 and hadn't used a computer before. The university had Mac labs all over campus as well as in my student residence. I loved the novelty so zoomed around the web and fell upon the Joni Mitchell Discussion List. Of course, it was because of searching for all things Joni, my favourite subject. Academia took precedence so, I eased off until I moved back to Sydney where, I reconnected and rediscovered a lot of lovely people like Bob, Catherine, Anita, et al. That's my story. Mark in Sydney NP Eyes Wide Open - Gotye ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #176 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe