From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #162 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, April 28 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 162 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Coyote [David Marine ] Re: Coyote [Anita ] Re: Coyote [Moni Kellermann ] joni colors joni gems [Marianne Rizzo ] RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #536 [Mary Morris ] Joni Photo and For The Roses [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #518 [Anita ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 04:21:31 -0400 From: David Marine Subject: Coyote Hey List, I'm not sure if it's been discussed here before, but I was reading recently about the work of the poet Gary Snyder (one of my favorites), and I came across this paper: http://www.ijhss.com/userfiles/Gary Snyder and Appropriation of the Turtle Island Indian(1).pdf Here are two excerpts: Throughout the fifties and sixties, the Coyote had an eloquent appeal for Snyders contemporaries no less than for himself. The coyote is for Snyder protector spirit which Anglo texts and myths indeed lack. The reason for this coyote popularity, he remarks, is due to the growing counterculture sentiment and radical nurturing of antiheroic and nondualistic Coyote, who inhabits all boundary conditions cutting across good and evil, and represents the joyous, indiscriminate energy. The Indian of the American West owes to this life-energizing, un-split vision many of his myths surrounding the Coyote and the Raven of trickery no less than their trans-animal humanity. Thus the Indian could believe in the tale of The Woman Who Marries a Bear. The Shuswap Indian would sing: Our girls get layed by Coyote/ We get along / just fine.[Hunting] I've read from time to time the speculation that the song "Coyote" referred to the actor Peter Coyote. But knowing Joni's strong interest in Native American culture, and the way that it has informed so much of her work, I think she must have written the song with an awareness of the iconography of the coyote, and possibly the the Shuswap Indian song. Has she ever mentioned this in any interviews? Best, David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 16:18:57 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: Coyote David wrote: > I've read from time to time the speculation that the song "Coyote" referred to > the actor Peter Coyote. But knowing Joni's strong interest in Native American > culture, and the way that it has informed so much of her work, I think she > must have written the song with an awareness of the iconography of the coyote, > and possibly the the Shuswap Indian song. Has she ever mentioned this in any > interviews? I don't know about interviews, though I expect a search on Joni.com might reveal it and Moni would definitely be able to find out! She's good at that stuff. What I do remember are several discussions on JMDL about the identity of Coyote, and there seemed to be a lot of support for Sam Shepherd. I have been fortunate to visit Xatsull, a heritage village of the Shushwap people along the Fraser River in BC, so very much Joni territory. They have a great storytelling tradition and, of course, the legends associated with so much of the wildlife within the area are undoubtedly very important to the people. There are so many stories about Coyote, the Trickster, as you say. One of my books says that Coyote is often called the Medicine Dog, and that the medicine may or may not be to your liking. The medicine of Coyote will make you laugh, but maybe painfully, but you will always learn a lesson about yourself. I am fairly confident that Joni would have an awareness of the iconography. At Ruby Lake she had a couple of friends who were First People's, though I wouldn't know which band, and I thought Joni looked like a Tribal Elder herself. The BC coast where she has lived for so long is full of images and wonderful carvings of animal medicine, it's probably now in her bones and maybe was even back then when she wrote 'Hejira' Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 20:46:57 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Coyote Am 28.04.2013 10:21, Wie David Marine so vortrefflich formulierte: > I've read from time to time the speculation that the song "Coyote" > referred to the actor Peter Coyote. This was mentioned and more or less debunked in 1999 in an interview between the late Wally Breese and David Lahm: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1358 As for the previous discussions about Coyote and Sam Shepard which go back to 2001, see the archives of this list: https://encrypted.google.com/search?&q=coyote+sam+shepard+site:smoe.org On the wikipedia page for the song http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote_(song) it says that "In Chris O'Dell's 2009 autobiography Miss O'Dell she details an affair she had with married playwright Sam Shepard and states that Shepard then cheated on her with Joni Mitchell. O'Dell claims that "Coyote" is written about Sam Shepard." Further, this is also discussed in Chapter 14 of Sheila Weller's book which you can read here (scroll down the page to "Page 421 - Joni Mitchell writes Coyote": http://www.girlslikeusthemusic.com/chapter-fourteen/ To sum this all up: Coyote is Sam Shepard and not Peter Coyote. There doesn't seem to be an interview available where Joni would have talked about this. moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:38:59 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: joni colors joni gems Profoundly. Wow On Apr 25, 2013, at 2:51 PM, "LC Stanley" wrote: > > How about this from the website: > > Favorite Colour > > by Joni Mitchell > > I met a child a year ago > Whose eyes would never see. > She asked me with a timid smile, > "What colour is a tree?" > > "In summertime a tree is green; > In autumn gold and red; > In winter they are frosted white > when all their leaves are shed." > > "I know the sky is blue," she said. > "And silver is the sand; > And apples are the brightest red. > What colour is a man?" > > "Man is many colours child: > Some are yellow, some are brown. > And some are black as sightlessness, > Some white as eiderdown." > > She took her crayons from a box > And placed them in my glove > And said, "By mixing all of these > Comes my favourite colour--love." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:52:19 -0700 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #536 Double whammy : turquoise is a stone AND a color. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:56:35 -0400 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #536 > > > JMDL Digest Thursday, April 25 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 536 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Turquoise & Lyric [est86mlm@ameritech.net] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:53:07 -0500 > From: est86mlm@ameritech.net > Subject: Turquoise & Lyric > > Mary, > > Double score in Paprika Plains lyrics: > > ".....God forsaken Paprika plains And a*turquoise* > river snaking ......A blanket figure springs > With a fist raised up to*turquoise* skies....." > http://jonimitchell.com/music/song.cfm?id=171 > > Laura > > > *****NJC Below****** > L'oreal Blur sample > http://www.lorealparisusa.com/en/Products/Skin-Care/Moisturizers/RevitaLift-M iracle-Blur.aspx > > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:51:21 -0700 > From: Mary Morris > Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #525 > > .......... I wish she'd written something with turquoise in it, she wears a lot of it & it is a great stone. > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #536 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:10:43 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni Photo and For The Roses Wow! Great find and info, Michael. Laura Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:41:24 -0400 From: Michael Sentance Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #158 I came across a photograph of Joni by Laurie Pepper that was taken in her early Troubadour days. The photos of Joni can be seen here: http://artpepper.net/photos/introducing-the-lovers/joni-mitchell-wasnt-a-big.html However, if you follow the links for more photos, you will find an even more interesting sight. Ms. Pepper had taken a photo of Judy Collins and given it to Joni. The result? Here: http://artpepper.net/photos/introducing-the-lovers/i-took-this-picture-of-judy.html#previous-photo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:21:07 +0100 From: Anita Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2013 #518 On 25 Apr 2013, at 17:04, Shari Eaton wrote: > You guys can forgive Barb her attitude. She is sensitive to having her interpretation altered or tainted or even enhanced by the opinion or insights of others. It takes something that was precious to her and alters it. Shari, thanks for this kindly clarification. It's always good to be sensitive to others and Joni's music is the height of musical sensitivity. However, this is a Discussion List. We all risk being changed by the experience Anita ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #162 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe