From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #64 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, February 19 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 064 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Who [mflaher3@yahoo.com] Re: Wizard of Id vs Suzanne [Kevin Foehr ] The Who [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Re: The Who [Michael Paz ] Re: Who [kenevans kenevans ] RE: Wizard of Id vs Suzanne ["Robert Sartorius" ] Re: Goodbye Pork Pie Hat in DADGAD [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Wizard of Id vs Suzanne [Kevin Foehr ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:03:44 -0600 From: mflaher3@yahoo.com Subject: Re: The Who Live at Hull was going to be the released live album. There were some technical problems with the tapes, so they released Leeds instead. Now they have decided to release Hull, despite the technical problems. I haven't heard it, but the reviews have been favorable. Michael F. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2013, at 5:47 PM, Michael Paz wrote: > I just read that they found an old recording of a show the night after Live at > Leeds was recorded. I think it is called Live at Hull. That recording was > highly lauded as the best live album blah blah blah. I have seen them 3 times > and loved everyone of them. > > Paz > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 2013, at 5:25 PM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: > > The Who turned out to be great. I knew a few songs from Quadrophenia and the > sound was good (for a hockey arena). They had tributes to both John > Entwhistle and Keith Moon. > > I really enjoyed the 2nd half when they did Who Are You (which is used for the > theme song for CSI), Baba O'Rilley (AKA Teenage Wasteland), Behind Blue Eyes, > and We Won't Get Fooled Again. > > They have so many great songs. Maybe next time they'll present Who's Next > live. > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:00:30 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Foehr Subject: Re: Wizard of Id vs Suzanne Thanks Rob and Mark for your responses. It sounds like you guys know what you are talking about, and it does make sense too. Joni may have heard Suzanne via Judy and decided to use a similar melodic progression (or what ever it's called -- I'm not a musician) in one of her songs, but then decided not to record it, especially after LC's '67 recording of it became so popular. That's a bit of a shame as W of I has enough of Joni's unique style to obviously be her work, but there are also a few bars repeated two or thee times that smack of Suzanne a little too much and might have tainted the entire song and maybe her reputation too, which would have been an even greater shame! Thanks again for your comments and for sharing your research. Good work! Kevin ________________________________ From: Mark To: Robert Sartorius ; joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Cc: kfoehr@sbcglobal.net Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Wizard of Id vs Suzanne I was just researching some of what is known about Joni's relationship with Cohen. One source, 'Heck of a Guy - The Other Leonard Cohen Site', other being other than the official Leonard Cohen site, said that Judy Collins introduced Joni to Leonard at the Newport Folk Festival in 1967. Copyright on JoniMitchell.com for 'The Wizard of Is' says 1966. That would put it before the two met if what I read was accurate. According to Wikipedia, the song Suzanne was first recorded by Judy Collins on her 1966 album 'In My Life'. The lyrics were first released in Cohen's 1966 book of poetry, 'Parasites of Heaven'. So if all of that is true, it is possible that Joni had heard 'Suzanne' before she wrote 'The Wizard of Is'. Mark in Seattle Perhaps they had collaborated on developing the music and then she decided to let him have it instead of her? Or could she have written it first and then she let LC adapt it into Suzanne with his lyrics? And perhaps that is why it was never released on an album by Joni? Or was it released? I don't recall it on her early albums. Sorry if this was discussed already, but I looked back and couldn't find where it was." I rarely post without doing my homework/research/fact-checking, but I am going out on a limb here. I believe that I looked at this at one point in the past, and concluded to my satisfaction that Suzanne was written before Cohen/Mitchell became an item. That would make W of I something of a knockoff by Joni of an already written LC song. Which might also explain why she had the good sense not to record it. If I am wrong, I apologize to all (including Joni). Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:25:38 -0500 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: The Who The Who turned out to be great. I knew a few songs from Quadrophenia and the sound was good (for a hockey arena). They had tributes to both John Entwhistle and Keith Moon. I really enjoyed the 2nd half when they did Who Are You (which is used for the theme song for CSI), Baba O'Rilley (AKA Teenage Wasteland), Behind Blue Eyes, and We Won't Get Fooled Again. They have so many great songs. Maybe next time they'll present Who's Next live. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:47:42 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The Who I just read that they found an old recording of a show the night after Live at Leeds was recorded. I think it is called Live at Hull. That recording was highly lauded as the best live album blah blah blah. I have seen them 3 times and loved everyone of them. Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com On Feb 18, 2013, at 5:25 PM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: The Who turned out to be great. I knew a few songs from Quadrophenia and the sound was good (for a hockey arena). They had tributes to both John Entwhistle and Keith Moon. I really enjoyed the 2nd half when they did Who Are You (which is used for the theme song for CSI), Baba O'Rilley (AKA Teenage Wasteland), Behind Blue Eyes, and We Won't Get Fooled Again. They have so many great songs. Maybe next time they'll present Who's Next live. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 22:36:02 -0500 From: kenevans kenevans Subject: Re: Who They almost did in 2000 - the last tour with Ox, and documented on the fantastic Live at the Royal Albert Hall (I have the 3-disc SACD - not sure if it's still available ) On that, they did 6 of the 9 who's next songs - NP: Bill Evans - You Must Belueve in Spribg (best version of mash theme ever) >> >> On Feb 18, 2013, at 5:25 PM, jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com wrote: >> >> The Who turned out to be great. I knew a few songs from Quadrophenia and the >> sound was good (for a hockey arena). They had tributes to both John >> Entwhistle and Keith Moon. >> >> I really enjoyed the 2nd half when they did Who Are You (which is used for the >> theme song for CSI), Baba O'Rilley (AKA Teenage Wasteland), Behind Blue Eyes, >> and We Won't Get Fooled Again. >> >> They have so many great songs. Maybe next time they'll present Who's Next >> live. >> >> Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:05:35 -0500 From: "Robert Sartorius" Subject: RE: Wizard of Id vs Suzanne Kevin wrote: "doesn't The W of I sound very similar to Suzanne? I know it's not exactly the same as Suzanne, but parts of it seem nearly identical, no? An earlier post said W of I was written by Joni about LC, but it seems odd that he would then write a very similar song (musically) about another woman; doesn't it? Perhaps they had collaborated on developing the music and then she decided to let him have it instead of her? Or could she have written it first and then she let LC adapt it into Suzanne with his lyrics? And perhaps that is why it was never released on an album by Joni? Or was it released? I don't recall it on her early albums. Sorry if this was discussed already, but I looked back and couldn't find where it was." I rarely post without doing my homework/research/fact-checking, but I am going out on a limb here. I believe that I looked at this at one point in the past, and concluded to my satisfaction that Suzanne was written before Cohen/Mitchell became an item. That would make W of I something of a knockoff by Joni of an already written LC song. Which might also explain why she had the good sense not to record it. If I am wrong, I apologize to all (including Joni). Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 12:42:02 +0000 (UTC) From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Re: Goodbye Pork Pie Hat in DADGAD Hi David. I'm pretty sure it isn't. Black Crow does quite sound like it's in DADGAD. But I haven't looked in the tab section of the site. lots of love, Anne on Feb 16, 2013, David Lahm wrote: Is that the tuning for Black Crow too? DAVID LAHM On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Anne Sandstrom wrote: A marriage or my favorite tuning and some Joni: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3Gl_TTH5KQ&feature=share< br> Apologies if this has been posted before. Enjoy! lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:00:30 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Foehr Subject: Re: Wizard of Id vs Suzanne Thanks Rob and Mark for your responses. It sounds like you guys know what you are talking about, and it does make sense too. Joni may have heard Suzanne via Judy and decided to use a similar melodic progression (or what ever it's called -- I'm not a musician) in one of her songs, but then decided not to record it, especially after LC's '67 recording of it became so popular. That's a bit of a shame as W of I has enough of Joni's unique style to obviously be her work, but there are also a few bars repeated two or thee times that smack of Suzanne a little too much and might have tainted the entire song and maybe her reputation too, which would have been an even greater shame! Thanks again for your comments and for sharing your research. Good work! Kevin ________________________________ From: Mark To: Robert Sartorius ; joni@smoe.org; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Cc: kfoehr@sbcglobal.net Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Wizard of Id vs Suzanne I was just researching some of what is known about Joni's relationship with Cohen. One source, 'Heck of a Guy - The Other Leonard Cohen Site', other being other than the official Leonard Cohen site, said that Judy Collins introduced Joni to Leonard at the Newport Folk Festival in 1967. Copyright on JoniMitchell.com for 'The Wizard of Is' says 1966. That would put it before the two met if what I read was accurate. According to Wikipedia, the song Suzanne was first recorded by Judy Collins on her 1966 album 'In My Life'. The lyrics were first released in Cohen's 1966 book of poetry, 'Parasites of Heaven'. So if all of that is true, it is possible that Joni had heard 'Suzanne' before she wrote 'The Wizard of Is'. Mark in Seattle Perhaps they had collaborated on developing the music and then she decided to let him have it instead of her? Or could she have written it first and then she let LC adapt it into Suzanne with his lyrics? And perhaps that is why it was never released on an album by Joni? Or was it released? I don't recall it on her early albums. Sorry if this was discussed already, but I looked back and couldn't find where it was." I rarely post without doing my homework/research/fact-checking, but I am going out on a limb here. I believe that I looked at this at one point in the past, and concluded to my satisfaction that Suzanne was written before Cohen/Mitchell became an item. That would make W of I something of a knockoff by Joni of an already written LC song. Which might also explain why she had the good sense not to record it. If I am wrong, I apologize to all (including Joni). Bobsart ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #64 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe