From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #44 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, February 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 044 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Mitchell - The New Music Interview (1994) [Phyliss S Ward ] Re: Steely Dan cover? [Dave Blackburn ] RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #179 [Mary Morris ] Steely Dan cover? [Raffaele Malanga ] RE: Joni Mitchell - The New Music Interview (1994) [Susan Tierney McNamar] RE: Steely Dan cover? [Raffaele Malanga ] Re: Steely Dan cover? [Dave Blackburn ] RE: Steely Dan cover? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Steely Dan cover? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #180 [Mary Morris ] RE: Steely Dan cover? [Susan Tierney McNamara ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 10:31:53 -0500 From: Phyliss S Ward Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell - The New Music Interview (1994) Thanks Shari! How I love this woman! A true artist talks about what an artist is.... On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Shari Eaton wrote: > Newly uploaded Joni interview: > > http://youtu.be/9oqUYMkOp4M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:57:45 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Steely Dan cover? I was thrilled when I read that Joni's favorite SD album was Gaucho, because that was always my fav. I know a lot of people don't put that one in their top SD list. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Dave Blackburn Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 12:47 PM To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Cc: Raffaele Malanga; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Steely Dan cover? Well, Bob, since you ask, I'd say something like Edith and the Kingpin or Harry's House is straight up Steely Dan, harmonically and lyrically. Just think of Fagen's voice (at least his former voice - it's pretty shot now) singing "he tilts their tired faces gently to the spoon." Add to that the fact that, in the mid 70s, Joni and SD were using a lot of the same musicians: Larry Carlton, Victor Feldman, Tom Scott, Chuck Findley, and Wilton Felder, off the top of my head. So even their records sounded similar. And, as I have written before, there is even a specific chord, called the Major 9 (no 3rd) ex. G with a C bass, that Joni more or less pioneered in pop/rock music and it became a staple of Fagen and Becker's writing a couple of years later. I can well imagine them as fans of Joni's and being heavily influenced by her harmonic and lyrical innovations. What they brought to the table was an R&B funk bed that Joni didn't exploit much, although the L.A Express sort of funkified a few things on their own - Love or Money, for example. I remember reading somewhere that Joni admired Steely Dan's music too, so it was rather a mutual admiration society. This is a good thread to pursue as there are lots of overlaps between the two artists. Dave On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > I dunno, I've tried to hear The Dan doing Carey and have never been > able to wrap my head around it, musically or lyrically. Not sure there's ONE that jumps out as a good fit for them. Dave? > > Bob > > > > > From: Raffaele Malanga > To: "bob.muller@fluor.com" > Cc: "joni@smoe.org" > Date: 02/01/2013 10:23 AM > Subject: RE: Steely Dan cover? > > > > Thanks Bob. Of course the song was Carey... What else Fagen & Becker > could have chosen as their cover. Can't picture them harmonizing on The Circle Game! > > Raf. > > To: r_malanga@hotmail.com > CC: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Steely Dan cover? > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:55:56 -0500 > > Hi Raf, always great to hear from a long-time friend. Supposedly they recorded "Carey" for that record but that's been a rumor, not sure that it REALLY happened despite what this article says. > > Bob------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this > message is prohibited. 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The moment she met Jaco, sometime in '76, he would have been talking her up to the rest of his new band Weather Report, of which Wayne of course was the co-leader. That may have been when they first met. Wayne didn't recorded with Steely Dan until 1978 a year after he had already played on DJRD. > > I imagine Joni's meeting Jaco led to interest in her music by Wayne and Herbie Hancock and of course we know that Charles Mingus liked what he heard on DJRD and called her to collaborate. By 1979 her jazz cred was well established enough for Pat Metheny, Lyle Mays and Michael Brecker to consider going on the road with her- pretty amazing considering their own careers were in top gear at that point. > > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Raffaele Malanga wrote: > >> Thanks for the interesting insight, Dave. I have to agree with your picks, maybe all of Hissing could easily be done by SD. >> >> The connections are many. Didn't Joni say that the dangling letter J in Aja made her choose the title for Hejira? >> >> And didn't she started collaborating with Wayne Shorter because of his work with SD? >> >> Subject: Re: Steely Dan cover? >> From: beatntrack@sbcglobal.net >> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:46:48 -0800 >> CC: r_malanga@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org >> To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >> >> Well, Bob, since you ask, I'd say something like Edith and the Kingpin or Harry's House is straight up Steely Dan, harmonically and lyrically. Just think of Fagen's voice (at least his former voice - it's pretty shot now) singing "he tilts their tired faces gently to the spoon." Add to that the fact that, in the mid 70s, Joni and SD were using a lot of the same musicians: Larry Carlton, Victor Feldman, Tom Scott, Chuck Findley, and Wilton Felder, off the top of my head. So even their records sounded similar. And, as I have written before, there is even a specific chord, called the Major 9 (no 3rd) ex. G with a C bass, that Joni more or less pioneered in pop/rock music and it became a staple of Fagen and Becker's writing a couple of years later. I can well imagine them as fans of Joni's and being heavily influenced by her harmonic and lyrical innovations. What they brought to the table was an R&B funk bed that Joni didn't exploit much, although the L.A Express sort of funkified a few things on their own - Love or Money, for example. I remember reading somewhere that Joni admired Steely Dan's music too, so it was rather a mutual admiration society. >> >> This is a good thread to pursue as there are lots of overlaps between the two artists. >> >> Dave >> >> >> On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >> >> I dunno, I've tried to hear The Dan doing Carey and have never been able to wrap my head around it, musically or lyrically. Not sure there's ONE that jumps out as a good fit for them. Dave? >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> From: Raffaele Malanga >> To: "bob.muller@fluor.com" >> Cc: "joni@smoe.org" >> Date: 02/01/2013 10:23 AM >> Subject: RE: Steely Dan cover? >> >> >> >> Thanks Bob. Of course the song was Carey... What else Fagen & Becker could have chosen as their cover. Can't picture them harmonizing on The Circle Game! >> >> Raf. >> >> To: r_malanga@hotmail.com >> CC: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: Steely Dan cover? >> From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:55:56 -0500 >> >> Hi Raf, always great to hear from a long-time friend. Supposedly they recorded "Carey" for that record but that's been a rumor, not sure that it REALLY happened despite what this article says. >> >> Bob------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >> this message is prohibited. 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MORRIS > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 10:54:57 -0500 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #179 > > > JMDL Digest Friday, February 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 179 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Joni Mitchell - The New Music Interview (1994) [Shari Eaton > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:54:30 -0800 > From: Shari Eaton > Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell - The New Music Interview (1994) > > She had a calm in this interview that I found intriguing. Glad you guys enjoyed it! :) > > Sent from my Pimped-out Flying Carpet > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:13 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > > > Joni: Especially on the piano ... because it's an open instrument. I've hit pockets were guides took my fingers over and I couldn't hit a wrong chord, and where the intellect is asleep basically, but you still have access to its guidance. Emotion is not overwhelming, but you have access to its guidance. Clarity is with you, you have access to its guidance, and you can hear the spontaneity has a beautiful quality, and sensation is with you, you know, your touch is lovely and the tempo is just right. [laughs] > > > > Interviewer: And ego is has taken a back seat. > > > > Joni: It isn't there, you are on the center, the concept I is absent. > > > > A genius describing genius. :-) > > > > Thanks for sharing that Shari!! > > > > Susan Tierney McNamara > > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Shari Eaton > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:44 PM > > To: > > Subject: Joni Mitchell - The New Music Interview (1994) > > > > Newly uploaded Joni interview: > > > > http://youtu.be/9oqUYMkOp4M > > > > > > Sent from my Pimped-out Flying Carpet > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #179 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:03:02 +0000 From: Raffaele Malanga Subject: Steely Dan cover? I was not aware that the mighty Steely Dan had cut a song for the JM tribute album but wasn't eventually released. This article I found gives some background on it: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug03/articles/steelydan.htm And here's the extract: "According to Scheiner, the first seeds were sown in a recording session in early 2001, aimed at fairly quickly recording a Joni Mitchell song for a Joni Mitchell tribute album. Becker and Fagen had by now assembled the core of musicians that would also appear on EMG, and wanted to see what would happen if they cut the track live in the studio. They hadn't reckoned with Scheiner's next suggestion. "When we got to the studio," Scheiner remembers, "I said to them 'Look, this is not for your record, let's do it on analogue. Let me give you a taste of that again.' They said, 'fine', not expecting much. But when they heard the first playback, they went wild. They had completely forgotten how good analogue sounded. The whole Joni Mitchell track was recorded and mixed [though it was never released], and they were so impressed by the sound. It did sound amazing. When they realised that it was great to work with live playing and analogue again they decided to record the whole of Everything Must Go this way." Has the song ever surfaced? Do we know anything about it? I'm looking at you, Bob Muller ;-) Raf. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:13:32 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell - The New Music Interview (1994) Joni: Especially on the piano ... because it's an open instrument. I've hit pockets were guides took my fingers over and I couldn't hit a wrong chord, and where the intellect is asleep basically, but you still have access to its guidance. Emotion is not overwhelming, but you have access to its guidance. Clarity is with you, you have access to its guidance, and you can hear the spontaneity has a beautiful quality, and sensation is with you, you know, your touch is lovely and the tempo is just right. [laughs] Interviewer: And ego is has taken a back seat. Joni: It isn't there, you are on the center, the concept I is absent. A genius describing genius. :-) Thanks for sharing that Shari!! Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Shari Eaton Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:44 PM To: Subject: Joni Mitchell - The New Music Interview (1994) Newly uploaded Joni interview: http://youtu.be/9oqUYMkOp4M Sent from my Pimped-out Flying Carpet ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 22:08:21 +0000 From: Raffaele Malanga Subject: RE: Steely Dan cover? Thanks for the interesting insight, Dave. I have to agree with your picks, maybe all of Hissing could easily be done by SD. The connections are many. Didn't Joni say that the dangling letter J in Aja made her choose the title for Hejira? And didn't she started collaborating with Wayne Shorter because of his work with SD? Subject: Re: Steely Dan cover? From: beatntrack@sbcglobal.net Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:46:48 -0800 CC: r_malanga@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Well, Bob, since you ask, I'd say something like Edith and the Kingpin or Harry's House is straight up Steely Dan, harmonically and lyrically. Just think of Fagen's voice (at least his former voice - it's pretty shot now) singing "he tilts their tired faces gently to the spoon." Add to that the fact that, in the mid 70s, Joni and SD were using a lot of the same musicians: Larry Carlton, Victor Feldman, Tom Scott, Chuck Findley, and Wilton Felder, off the top of my head. So even their records sounded similar. And, as I have written before, there is even a specific chord, called the Major 9 (no 3rd) ex. G with a C bass, that Joni more or less pioneered in pop/rock music and it became a staple of Fagen and Becker's writing a couple of years later. I can well imagine them as fans of Joni's and being heavily influenced by her harmonic and lyrical innovations. What they brought to the table was an R&B funk bed that Joni didn't exploit much, although the L.A Express sort of funkified a few things on their own - Love or Money, for example. I remember reading somewhere that Joni admired Steely Dan's music too, so it was rather a mutual admiration society. This is a good thread to pursue as there are lots of overlaps between the two artists. Dave On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote:I dunno, I've tried to hear The Dan doing Carey and have never been able to wrap my head around it, musically or lyrically. Not sure there's ONE that jumps out as a good fit for them. Dave? Bob From: Raffaele Malanga To: "bob.muller@fluor.com" Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Date: 02/01/2013 10:23 AM Subject: RE: Steely Dan cover? Thanks Bob. Of course the song was Carey... What else Fagen & Becker could have chosen as their cover. Can't picture them harmonizing on The Circle Game! Raf. To: r_malanga@hotmail.com CC: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Steely Dan cover? From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:55:56 -0500 Hi Raf, always great to hear from a long-time friend. Supposedly they recorded "Carey" for that record but that's been a rumor, not sure that it REALLY happened despite what this article says. Bob------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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And, as I have written before, there is even a specific chord, called the Major 9 (no 3rd) ex. G with a C bass, that Joni more or less pioneered in pop/rock music and it became a staple of Fagen and Becker's writing a couple of years later. I can well imagine them as fans of Joni's and being heavily influenced by her harmonic and lyrical innovations. What they brought to the table was an R&B funk bed that Joni didn't exploit much, although the L.A Express sort of funkified a few things on their own - Love or Money, for example. I remember reading somewhere that Joni admired Steely Dan's music too, so it was rather a mutual admiration society. This is a good thread to pursue as there are lots of overlaps between the two artists. Dave On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > I dunno, I've tried to hear The Dan doing Carey and have never been able to wrap my head around it, musically or lyrically. Not sure there's ONE that jumps out as a good fit for them. Dave? > > Bob > > > > > From: Raffaele Malanga > To: "bob.muller@fluor.com" > Cc: "joni@smoe.org" > Date: 02/01/2013 10:23 AM > Subject: RE: Steely Dan cover? > > > > Thanks Bob. Of course the song was Carey... What else Fagen & Becker could have chosen as their cover. Can't picture them harmonizing on The Circle Game! > > Raf. > > To: r_malanga@hotmail.com > CC: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Steely Dan cover? > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:55:56 -0500 > > Hi Raf, always great to hear from a long-time friend. Supposedly they recorded "Carey" for that record but that's been a rumor, not sure that it REALLY happened despite what this article says. > > Bob------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:55:56 -0500 Hi Raf, always great to hear from a long-time friend. Supposedly they recorded "Carey" for that record but that's been a rumor, not sure that it REALLY happened despite what this article says. Bob------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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MORRIS > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:11:31 -0500 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #180 > > > JMDL Digest Friday, February 1 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 180 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > The enduring Joni [Robin Adler ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:08:24 -0800 > From: Robin Adler > Subject: The enduring Joni > > Last night Dave and I went to a musicians party. It was hosted by a young couple that we had met at another musical event.This was a small affair (only 9 of us) in a tiny living room. The age range was 24-62. Rather than this being a jam where everyone brings out their guitars the hosts had a plan. One guitar and a bowl to be passed around filled with theme ideas written on small pieces of paper. To our delight we opened our paper and in very small print it said "your favorite artist". We chose the song Hejira. Throughout the night we played several songs by different artists but we played predominately Joni tunes. > > At the end of the night the 24 year old named Kenny (hot little guitar player) came up to us and said he'd never heard Joni Mitchell and that he wanted to buy some of her recordings. Dave recommended starting with "Hejira" and going back from there. Several others from the party also said they would like to buy some of her albums as they were only familiar with songs from "Blue" or the song "Both Sides Now". None of the people knew the Hejira album. > > My musical path has led me to Joni and it's her world I've been in for the last 8 years along with my husband/accompanist Dave. Sometimes the line "you imitate the best and the rest you memorize" pops into my head and I get down on myself because I am not a songwriter and I'm just a singer. But last night when that young aspiring musician came up to me and said he wanted to buy some Joni albums I felt excited. He got it and that makes me happy. > > Robin > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #180 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 23:00:17 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Steely Dan cover? I think Hejira came before Aja. And Wayne Shorter came from Miles Davis. That was my take on it. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Raffaele Malanga Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 5:08 PM To: beatntrack@sbcglobal.net; bob.muller@fluor.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Steely Dan cover? Thanks for the interesting insight, Dave. I have to agree with your picks, maybe all of Hissing could easily be done by SD. The connections are many. Didn't Joni say that the dangling letter J in Aja made her choose the title for Hejira? And didn't she started collaborating with Wayne Shorter because of his work with SD? Subject: Re: Steely Dan cover? From: beatntrack@sbcglobal.net Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:46:48 -0800 CC: r_malanga@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Well, Bob, since you ask, I'd say something like Edith and the Kingpin or Harry's House is straight up Steely Dan, harmonically and lyrically. Just think of Fagen's voice (at least his former voice - it's pretty shot now) singing "he tilts their tired faces gently to the spoon." Add to that the fact that, in the mid 70s, Joni and SD were using a lot of the same musicians: Larry Carlton, Victor Feldman, Tom Scott, Chuck Findley, and Wilton Felder, off the top of my head. So even their records sounded similar. And, as I have written before, there is even a specific chord, called the Major 9 (no 3rd) ex. G with a C bass, that Joni more or less pioneered in pop/rock music and it became a staple of Fagen and Becker's writing a couple of years later. I can well imagine them as fans of Joni's and being heavily influenced by her harmonic and lyrical innovations. What they brought to the table was an R&B funk bed that Joni didn't exploit much, although the L.A Express sort of funkified a few things on their own - Love or Money, for example. I remember reading somewhere that Joni admired Steely Dan's music too, so it was rather a mutual admiration society. This is a good thread to pursue as there are lots of overlaps between the two artists. Dave On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote:I dunno, I've tried to hear The Dan doing Carey and have never been able to wrap my head around it, musically or lyrically. Not sure there's ONE that jumps out as a good fit for them. Dave? Bob From: Raffaele Malanga To: "bob.muller@fluor.com" Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Date: 02/01/2013 10:23 AM Subject: RE: Steely Dan cover? Thanks Bob. Of course the song was Carey... What else Fagen & Becker could have chosen as their cover. Can't picture them harmonizing on The Circle Game! Raf. To: r_malanga@hotmail.com CC: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Steely Dan cover? From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 07:55:56 -0500 Hi Raf, always great to hear from a long-time friend. Supposedly they recorded "Carey" for that record but that's been a rumor, not sure that it REALLY happened despite what this article says. Bob------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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