From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #38 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, January 29 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 038 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- buffy / joni ["Eaton, Shari" ] Re: Lyrics [Catherine McKay ] RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #134 [Mary Morris ] Re: joni's yearbook [LC Stanley ] Re: Lyrics [Dave Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:16:19 -0800 From: "Eaton, Shari" Subject: buffy / joni Lovely interview with Buffy Sainte-Marie. Joni mention... The Bat Cave - Buffy Sainte-Marie interview 1 of 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up4vDoWJriA The Bat Cave - Buffy Sainte-Marie interview 2 of 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZjbidjIivY The Bat Cave - Buffy Sainte-Marie interview 3 of 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni9XoLbmxrA Does anyone know what she means by 'don't make snakes out of worms'? Listening to her definitely reminds me of Joni speaking. I guess I just love Saskatchewan people. Enjoy, Shari ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 05:46:55 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Lyrics Mark, that makes perfect sense to me. >________________________________ > From: Mark >To: Richard Flynn ; 'Catherine McKay' ; jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com; 'Dave Blackburn' >Cc: 'JMDL' >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:12:08 PM >Subject: Re: Lyrics > >... > >I think raising the drum sticks and crying out represents the fearsome power of the U.S. war machine and could also very well refer to the harsh treatment of people who joined together to protest the Viet Nam war. But I also think there is a reference to the drums that once led soldiers into battle. The fall, in that case, is the fall of men in battle. > >Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:39:28 -0800 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #134 Nope, never struck me as clumsy, Dave. GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:13:06 -0500 > From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #134 > > > JMDL Digest Monday, January 28 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 134 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Lyrics [Dave Blackburn ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:09:28 -0800 > From: Dave Blackburn > Subject: Re: Lyrics > > Thanks for all the insight on this question everyone. I am persuaded that the > word is "fall" and I see how it might be shorthand for a turn of phrase like > "we fall into line" or "we fall for it" but it still strikes me as slightly > clumsy for Joni. Does anyone else feel that? > > Dave > > > > On Jan 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > > > Mark, that makes perfect sense to me. > > > > From: Mark > > To: Richard Flynn ; 'Catherine McKay' > ; jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com; 'Dave Blackburn' > > > Cc: 'JMDL' > > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:12:08 PM > > Subject: Re: Lyrics > > > > ... > > > > I think raising the drum sticks and crying out represents the fearsome power > of the U.S. war machine and could also very well refer to the harsh treatment > of people who joined together to protest the Viet Nam war. But I also think > there is a reference to the drums that once led soldiers into battle. The > fall, in that case, is the fall of men in battle. > > > > Mark in Seattle > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2013 #134 > ***************************** > > ------- > To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 05:54:03 -0800 (PST) From: LC Stanley Subject: Re: joni's yearbook Something about intoxication and love... "Couldn't you just love, like you love cocaine?" ________________________________ From: Marianne Rizzo To: joni list Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:02 PM Subject: joni's yearbook Thanks Mark, yes . . now I recall. I just listened to Billie Holiday and Sara Vaughan sing it just now. . . and then Ella Fitzgerald Wonderful . . . to be hooked on someone like that? oh . . . to be human! You Go to My Head Songwriters: H. GILLESPIE, J.F. COOTS 1938 You go to my head And you linger like a haunting refrain And I find you spinning round in my brain Like the bubbles in a glass of champagne You go to my head Like a sip of sparkling burgundy brew And I find the very mention of you Like the kicker in a julep or two The thrill of the thought that you might give a thought to my plea Cast a spell over me So I say to myself, get ahold of yourself, can't you see that it never can be You go to my head With a smile that makes my temperature rise Like a summer with a thousand Julys You intoxicate my soul with your eyes Though I'm certain that this heart of mine Hasn't the ghost of a chance in this crazy romance You go to my head You go to my head You go to my head Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:46:55 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Lyrics Shari, I certainly didn't intend to diminish your love for the song, which I too greatly admire, especially the insight behind the line "like the enemies you've earned" - dig the wisdom there - but I feel like her choice of "fall" was a little weak. Similarly her use of "shine" almost forty years later felt like a word rather emptied of its power through over use in song lyrics and pop psychology. Elsewhere in The Fiddle and the Drum she is in top form, working the war and peace metaphors in the title, and going further to set up the handshake/fist duality in the second verse. It was this sense of the weakness of the verb "fall" in this context that got me wondering whether in fact it was "follow", which I still find more cogent, accurate and insightful even if that is in fact not what she wrote. Dave On Jan 28, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Shari Eaton wrote: > I have always loved this song and 'We fall, oh my friend' has a hand in that love. It's unique, unexpected and guides the emotions really well. I'd be more curious to understand how you could possibly find it clumsy. > > > On Jan 28, 2013, at 6:09 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > >> Thanks for all the insight on this question everyone. I am persuaded that the >> word is "fall" and I see how it might be shorthand for a turn of phrase like >> "we fall into line" or "we fall for it" but it still strikes me as slightly >> clumsy for Joni. Does anyone else feel that? >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> On Jan 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: >> >>> Mark, that makes perfect sense to me. >>> >>> From: Mark >>> To: Richard Flynn ; 'Catherine McKay' >> ; jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com; 'Dave Blackburn' >> >>> Cc: 'JMDL' >>> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:12:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: Lyrics >>> >>> ... >>> >>> I think raising the drum sticks and crying out represents the fearsome power >> of the U.S. war machine and could also very well refer to the harsh treatment >> of people who joined together to protest the Viet Nam war. But I also think >> there is a reference to the drums that once led soldiers into battle. The >> fall, in that case, is the fall of men in battle. >>> >>> Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #38 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe