From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #37 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, January 27 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 037 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: "Tales of Joni" [Ken ] RE: Lyrics ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Fiddle and the drum question ["David J. Phillips" ] Re: Joni on the town [Shari Eaton ] Joni on the town [Les Irvin ] Shawn Colvin live stream tonight (Jan 25), 8 pm PST (free!) [Lori Renee F] joni's yearbook [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: "Tales Of Joni" - Trip Report [FMYFL@aol.com] Lyrics [jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com] Re: Joni on the town ["David J. Phillips" ] Re: Fiddle and the drum question [Shari Eaton ] Re: Joni on the town [Moni Kellermann ] Re: Fiddle and the drum question [Moni Kellermann ] Re: "Tales Of Joni" - Trip Report [Bob Muller ] the fiddle and the drum lyrics [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: Joni on the town [Phyliss Ward ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:57:51 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Subject: Re: "Tales of Joni" Thanks to Bob Muller for a concise report of the tribute show at 54 Below. Glad you enjoyed it Bob, but sorry there were a few disappointments in their choices and a couple of lackluster performances. Good to find you returned home safely. Kenny B Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:37:30 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: "Tales Of Joni" - Trip Report Hi All - Wanted to give a quick report on the "Tales of Joni" Cabaret show I attended on Thursday night. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:16:40 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Lyrics "This is a song I wrote for America as a Canadian living in this country"--Joni on the Dick Cavett show, August 18, 1969: http://jonimitchell.com/library/video.cfm?id=27 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:49 AM To: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com; Dave Blackburn Cc: JMDL Subject: Re: Lyrics I'm not a historian, but I don't think Joni is writing as a Canadian, but as someone on the "other" side, whatever side that might happen to be. Thinking back on my scant historical knowledge, I can't think of a time that Canada has entered into a war to side with the US. If anything, formerly as a colony and then as a member of the Commonwealth, we, along with Australia, New Zealand and others, went along with Great Britain. We were in WWI and WWII well before the USA, because we were supporting Great Britain. We had some involvement in the Korean Conflict, as did other members of the Commonwealth. We didn't get involved in Viet Nam, or Iraq. We have had, still have, people in Afghanistan and parts of Africa, as part of a UN Peacekeeping Force. I believe Joni is talking about how one country can be allies with another and then things turn and your former friend suddenly becomes the enemy. ("You say we have turned, like the enemies you've earned, but we can remember the good things you are." She's lamenting what the US once represented, and that it has become a warmongering nation and that, at any moment, it can turn against its former allies. >________________________________ > From: "jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com" >To: Dave Blackburn >Cc: JMDL >Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 4:52:55 PM >Subject: Lyrics > >>I got to wondering whether the line "you raise your sticks and cry and I >fall, oh my friend" might in fact be "and I follow, my friend." To me that >makes more sense, as America tends to strongarm its allies into going along >with its foreign wars. Do we know authoritatively that it is "fall"?> > >No, we don't know any lyrics authoritatively. If I remember right, we were >hopefully anticipating the complete book of lyrics and poems but it did not >update "buoy winds" to "bully winds". > >While this is disappointing, it also allows you to interpret as you will. > >I like your interpretation because Canada is not attacked by the US. Instead >Canada is dragged along, into the fight. She calls Johnny "my good friend" >after all. > >Jim L ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:35:41 -0500 From: "David J. Phillips" Subject: Re: Fiddle and the drum question It's always seemed to me to be a fairly straightforward reference to violent state responses toward peaceful citizen protest. This was a common crisis of U.S. politics at the time. Now, too, of course, but it doesn't get quite the press it used to. djp On 25/01/13 13:2012, Moni Kellermann wrote: > Am 25.01.2013 01:15, Wie Dave Blackburn so vortrefflich formulierte: >> We're working on The fiddle and the drum and I got to wondering >> whether the line "you raise your sticks and cry and I fall, oh my >> friend" might in fact be "and I follow, my friend." To me that makes >> more sense, as America tends to strongarm its allies into going along >> with its foreign wars. Do we know authoritatively that it is "fall"? >> To listen to it it could definitely be either. > > Well, it appears twice during the song and it always rhymes with > "fightin' us all", so I don't think that Joni meant it to NOT rhyme. > Also, to me "I fall" and then "we fall" may just be the result, i.e. > people dying... > > moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:16:20 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: "Tales Of Joni" - Trip Report Thanks for the report, Bob. Sounds like it was a good time and I'm glad you shared it with Patrick. As I was reading through the program notes, I had to assume that this sentence was a big oversight on the part of whoever composed it: 'We're delighted to celebrate the music of a woman who has penned hundreds of compositions, each more intriguing than the next.' I'm sure they meant 'more intriguing than the last'. But, then again, maybe that's why they stuck to the early stuff. (Just kidding) Mark in Seattle fighting a wretched cold and is hopefully over the hump with it - -----Original Message----- From: Bob Muller Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:37 PM To: JMDL Subject: "Tales Of Joni" - Trip Report Hi All - Wanted to give a quick report on the "Tales of Joni" Cabaret show I attended on Thursday night. Firstly, a big thanks to my friend Paul for pushing me off the fence and offering up his apartment. Meeting us there was Patrick, looking even more youthful than the last time I hung out with him. Not sure how he does that but it was great to see him. The venue, 54Below, is so named because it's below the old Studio 54, and indeed their pre-show music was old classic disco. The spot resembles an old speakeasy, they feature a nice beer and wine selection as well as some great food. I had some grilled shrimp (not Paz quality but still quite fine) and some Risotto. But I didn't make the trip for the food, so let's get to the show... Here's the quote from the program: "Welcome to our celebration of all things Joni Mitchell. We're delighted to celebrate the music of a woman who has penned hundreds of compositions, each more intriguing than the next. That said, due to her prolificness & with advance apologies, chances are that we may not get to your favorite Joni tune this eve. Each of Joni's tunes speak to different people in different ways, and at different times in their lives. So tonight, we've selected twenty tunes that speak to us the most, and will hopefully resonate with you as well. You'll hear them one after another with little interruption - - Joni's music speaks more than well enough for itself. We warmly invite you to sit back and listen as she tells her stories and weaves her musical tales. Crawl inside the notes - see where she takes you." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:38:39 -0800 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Joni on the town She looks beautiful, there is another photo of her with that handsome man in which her visage and hair styling look strikingly like her mid-twenties self. It was posted in the Facebook thingy. On Jan 24, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > http://www.interviewmagazine.com/nightlife/alexander-yulish-interior-stories ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:36:59 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Joni on the town http://www.interviewmagazine.com/nightlife/alexander-yulish-interior-stories ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:49:50 +0000 From: Lori Renee Fye Subject: Shawn Colvin live stream tonight (Jan 25), 8 pm PST (free!) I'm going to *not* mark this as N*JC because many of us here are Shawn Colvin fans as well. Shawn loves her some Joni, and she regularly plays with Larry Klein, as well. So, for anyone interested, Shawn will be performing at Yoshi's in San Francisco tonight, 8 pm Pacific time, and she's doing a live stream. It's free. http://showgo.tv/clubs/yoshissf Lori, who will be watching at 4 am on Jan 26, in Wales ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:02:30 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: joni's yearbook Thanks Mark, yes . . now I recall. I just listened to Billie Holiday and Sara Vaughan sing it just now. . . and then Ella Fitzgerald Wonderful . . . to be hooked on someone like that? oh . . . to be human! You Go to My Head Songwriters: H. GILLESPIE, J.F. COOTS 1938 You go to my head And you linger like a haunting refrain And I find you spinning round in my brain Like the bubbles in a glass of champagne You go to my head Like a sip of sparkling burgundy brew And I find the very mention of you Like the kicker in a julep or two The thrill of the thought that you might give a thought to my plea Cast a spell over me So I say to myself, get ahold of yourself, can't you see that it never can be You go to my head With a smile that makes my temperature rise Like a summer with a thousand Julys You intoxicate my soul with your eyes Though I'm certain that this heart of mine Hasn't the ghost of a chance in this crazy romance You go to my head You go to my head You go to my head Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:00:26 -0500 (EST) From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: "Tales Of Joni" - Trip Report Thanks for the great report Bob. Sounds like the show was a great hit. Do you happen to know if it was recorded? Jimmy In a message dated 1/27/2013 5:43:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, scjoniguy@yahoo.com writes: > Hi All - > > Wanted to give a quick report on the "Tales of Joni" Cabaret show > I attended on Thursday night. Firstly, a big thanks to my friend Paul for > pushing me off the fence and offering up his apartment ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:52:55 -0500 From: jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com Subject: Lyrics >I got to wondering whether the line "you raise your sticks and cry and I fall, oh my friend" might in fact be "and I follow, my friend." To me that makes more sense, as America tends to strongarm its allies into going along with its foreign wars. Do we know authoritatively that it is "fall"?> No, we don't know any lyrics authoritatively. If I remember right, we were hopefully anticipating the complete book of lyrics and poems but it did not update "buoy winds" to "bully winds". While this is disappointing, it also allows you to interpret as you will. I like your interpretation because Canada is not attacked by the US. Instead Canada is dragged along, into the fight. She calls Johnny "my good friend" after all. Jim L ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:59:58 -0500 From: "David J. Phillips" Subject: Re: Joni on the town *Lots* of pretty people there... On 24/01/13 19:3659, Les Irvin wrote: > http://www.interviewmagazine.com/nightlife/alexander-yulish-interior-stories ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:42:17 -0800 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Re: Fiddle and the drum question I see what you mean but I always thought she was writing from the stance of a Canadian. I believe not following America's ways is a source of pride for them. Sent from my Pimped-out Flying Carpet On Jan 24, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > Hi guys, > > We're working on The fiddle and the drum and I got to wondering whether the line "you raise your sticks and cry and I fall, oh my friend" might in fact be "and I follow, my friend." To me that makes more sense, as America tends to strongarm its allies into going along with its foreign wars. Do we know authoritatively that it is "fall"? To listen to it it could definitely be either. > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:50:52 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Joni on the town Am 25.01.2013 18:38, Wie Shari Eaton so vortrefflich formulierte: > She looks beautiful, there is another photo of her with that handsome > man That is the artist whose works are on display in that exhibition, Alexander Yulish. You can grab the fullsize image with Joni & Yulish here: http://www.interviewmagazine.com/files/2013/01/23/img-alexi-08_121838389330.jpg > It was posted in the Facebook thingy. What is a Facebook thingy? moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:20:12 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Fiddle and the drum question Am 25.01.2013 01:15, Wie Dave Blackburn so vortrefflich formulierte: > We're working on The fiddle and the drum and I got to wondering > whether the line "you raise your sticks and cry and I fall, oh my > friend" might in fact be "and I follow, my friend." To me that makes > more sense, as America tends to strongarm its allies into going along > with its foreign wars. Do we know authoritatively that it is "fall"? > To listen to it it could definitely be either. Well, it appears twice during the song and it always rhymes with "fightin' us all", so I don't think that Joni meant it to NOT rhyme. Also, to me "I fall" and then "we fall" may just be the result, i.e. people dying... moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:12:17 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: "Tales Of Joni" - Trip Report I didn't see that they were recording it BUT they have released some recordings of their shows. Perhaps one of the performances will make the cut. Bob ________________________________ From: "FMYFL@aol.com" To: scjoniguy@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:00 PM Subject: Re: "Tales Of Joni" - Trip Report Thanks for the great report Bob. Sounds like the show was a great hit. Do you happen to know if it was recorded? Jimmy In a message dated 1/27/2013 5:43:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, scjoniguy@yahoo.com writes: Hi All - > >Wanted to give a quick report on the "Tales of Joni" Cabaret show >I attended on Thursday night. Firstly, a big thanks to my friend Paul for >pushing me off the fence and offering up his apartment ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:59:15 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: the fiddle and the drum lyrics love the question. I think it is: "and I fall, oh my friend." or maybe that is just what I always thought *I LOVE this song. . . peace and the star Marianne I got to wondering whether the line "you raise your sticks and cry and I >> fall, oh my friend" might in fact be "and I follow, my friend." To me that >> makes more sense, as America tends to strongarm its allies into going along >> with its foreign wars. Do we know authoritatively that it is "fall"?> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:56:44 -0500 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni on the town Yeah! So glad to see her out and about, letting her hair down, literally! On Jan 24, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > http://www.interviewmagazine.com/nightlife/alexander-yulish-interior-stories ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #37 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe