From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #35 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, January 27 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 035 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Lyrics [Catherine McKay ] Re: Lyrics ["David J. Phillips" ] Joni's yearbook [Shari Eaton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 09:02:55 -0800 (PST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Lyrics One more thing and then I'll shut up about it. She may also be talking about anti-war demonstrators within the US itself, people who were literally beaten with sticks by police and National Guard and so on. >________________________________ > From: Catherine McKay >To: "jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com" ; Dave Blackburn >Cc: JMDL >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:48:58 AM >Subject: Re: Lyrics > > >I'm not a historian, but I don't think Joni is writing as a Canadian, but as someone on the "other" side, whatever side that might happen to be. Thinking back on my scant historical knowledge, I can't think of a time that Canada has entered into a war to side with the US. If anything, formerly as a colony and then as a member of the Commonwealth, we, along with Australia, New Zealand and others, went along with Great Britain. We were in WWI and WWII well before the USA, because we were supporting Great Britain. We had some involvement in the Korean Conflict, as did other members of the Commonwealth. We didn't get involved in Viet Nam, or Iraq. We have had, still have, people in Afghanistan and parts of Africa, as part of a UN Peacekeeping Force. > >I believe Joni is talking about how one country can be allies with another and then things turn and your former friend suddenly becomes the enemy. ("You say we have turned, like the enemies you've earned, but we can remember the good things you are." She's lamenting what the US once represented, and that it has become a warmongering nation and that, at any moment, it can turn against its former allies. > > > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: "jlhommedieu@insight.rr.com" >>To: Dave Blackburn >>Cc: JMDL >>Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 4:52:55 PM >>Subject: Lyrics >> >>>I got to wondering whether the line "you raise your sticks and cry and I >>fall, oh my friend" might in fact be "and I follow, my friend." To me that >>makes more sense, as America tends to strongarm its allies into going along >>with its foreign wars. Do we know authoritatively that it is "fall"?> >> >>No, we don't know any lyrics authoritatively. If I remember right, we were >>hopefully anticipating the complete book of lyrics and poems but it did not >>update "buoy winds" to "bully winds". >> >>While this is disappointing, it also allows you to interpret as you will. >> >>I like your interpretation because Canada is not attacked by the US. Instead >>Canada is dragged along, into the fight. She calls Johnny "my good friend" >>after all. >> >>Jim L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:54:14 -0500 From: "David J. Phillips" Subject: Re: Lyrics that's what I always thought it was about. djp On 26/01/13 12:0255, Catherine McKay wrote: > One more thing and then I'll shut up about it. > > She may also be talking about > anti-war demonstrators within the US itself, people who were literally beaten > with sticks by police and National Guard and so on. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:00:48 -0800 From: Shari Eaton Subject: Joni's yearbook http://www.ebay.com/itm/Recording-Artist-Joni-Mitchell-High-School-YB-Cary-Fr ee-Man-in-Paris-Help-Me-/350672185898?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51a5b0ea 2 Wish I had the purse for this! Sent from my Pimped-out Flying Carpet ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #35 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe