From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #3 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Website:http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe:mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, January 4 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 003 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers ["Allison Crowe Music" ] RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers [Susan Tierney McNamara ] RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers [Anita ] RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #7 ["Gary Hanick" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #12 [Mary Morris ] Re: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers ["Mark" Subject: RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers Perhaps this has already been noted - if not, I'd say "River" is ideally-suited to a "Blue" Christmas. Happy New Year all!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 14:05:15 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers Yes, I love that one too, and the Jethro Tull Christmas Album!!! :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: Mark [mailto:mark.travis@frontier.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 8:58 PM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: JMDL Subject: Re: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers Sue, I certainly hope you're not forgetting Jethro Tull's 'Christmas Song'! Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 7:44 AM To: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Cc: JMDL Subject: RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers I love when conjectures are backed up with facts!!!! Thanks, Bob. I think traditionally holiday songs were thought to be inspirational or fun (whether in the religious or secular sense) ... but more often than not there is a sense during the holiday season that not everyone is happy and not everyone is surrounded by loved ones ... it's another aspect of traditional Christmas themes that we think of people who may be lonely, ill or impoverished. I'm reminded of one of my favorite Gordon Lightfoot songs, Circle of Steel, which could be considered a holiday song in this respect. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 09:57:29 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #13 Hi Mary -- LOL. Me, too. Ditto for "Hejira". Can't say I will ever get "tired" of "Hejira". Those songs must have come from some other dimension! Their meanings continue to unveil themselves as we unfold our life. Such is great art! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:42 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #13 JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 2 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 013 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #12 [Mary Morris ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 09:40:15 -0800 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #12 Gary says: "Can't blame her, although some of us miss the sweet elixir of her heart songs. How many times can we replay the same soundtrack?" LOL I have 2 copies of Shine, one for the car, one for the home GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > ------- - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #13 **************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:17:35 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers What is the consensus here of River as a traditional Christmas song? I love the fact that it is on the roster up there with Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas, Blue Christmas, I'll Be Home For Christmas, and all those other poignant to sad to outright weepy Christmas songs. At our New Year's Party I had a debate with my sister and daughter when the subject of Cee Lo's cover came up, and they TOTALLY disagreed with me that River should be a Christmas song. My mother, as usual, was on my side because she LOVES JT and thought it was his song until I set her straight! :-) They could have just said that to rile me up, but I thought I would toss this out there for discussion. Happy New Year to all my Joniphile friends around the world. I love you all. And thanks to Bob for his relentless search for Joni covers. I'm back to work now and I'm going to catch up on all the ones you've sent over the past two weeks. You rock as always!! :-) Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 12:56 PM To: JMDL Subject: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers Well, I have to get out and get a couple of last-minute items, but I'll get this out before I do. Don your gay apparel (in honor of GAY de-lurking) and dig into this new batch of Joni covers. And it just so happens that there are plenty of Rivers here for your holiday (and everyday) enjoyment. Liesl Muller is no kin to me - if she was I would have discouraged her from doing a Joni cover in the 'chanteuse' style. The Jay White cover comes from a Neil Diamond tribute - go figure. Why am I such a misfit: http://tinyurl.com/Covers-157 I am not just a nitwit: 1. Heather Ramsey - River 2. Miranda Sage - Both Sides Now 3. Aurora Scott - A Case Of You 4. Francesca Esme - Be Cool 5. Karmacoda - River 6. Raven O - Both Sides Now 7. St. Agnes Fountain - River 8. Liesl Muller - Both Sides Now 9. Jay White - Free Man In Paris 10. Silje Nergaard - River 11. Lindey Yung - Both Sides Now 12. Bill Anschell - Help Me 13. Paul Sonnenberg - River 14. Naomi Ferguson & Graham Wardrop - A Case Of You 15. Phil Thompson - River 16. William Haviland - - Both Sides Now 17. Anandammide - River 17 songs, 17 hits - enjoy! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:08:53 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers Their (Reilly & Maloney) recording of River was first released on 1977's "Alive". They did beat Wintergreen to the punch, originally issuing it on a holiday-specific album as you say in 1984, re-released it in 2003, adding 2 songs, and just re-re-released it in 2012 with 3 more new songs. Nice catch!...I've only listed it once showing the earliest release date so I wasn't showing any of the subsequent releases. Bob From: Deb Messling To: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Date: 01/02/2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers I'll double check at home, but I think Reilly & Maloney's seasonal album was first released in 1984. It's a nice folky collection. http://www.reillyandmaloney.com/rm_achristmasalbum2012.html > To the best of my knowledge, the first cover of the song was in 1973 by > Dave von Ronk. As far as I can tell, the first inclusion of River as a > SEASONAL song occurred in 1991 with Wintergreen's release titled "Winter". - -- Deb Messling dlmessling@gmail.com http://bookbook.typepad.com/blog/ - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 09:41:43 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers Well it is OUR most viewed Youtube from our Blue/C&S concert. 1206 views as of today, far ahead of any of the others. I have to attribute that to Christmas just happening. On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:44 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > I love when conjectures are backed up with facts!!!! Thanks, Bob. I think > traditionally holiday songs were thought to be inspirational or fun (whether > in the religious or secular sense) ... but more often than not there is a > sense during the holiday season that not everyone is happy and not everyone is > surrounded by loved ones ... it's another aspect of traditional Christmas > themes that we think of people who may be lonely, ill or impoverished. I'm > reminded of one of my favorite Gordon Lightfoot songs, Circle of Steel, which > could be considered a holiday song in this respect. > > Susan Tierney McNamara > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:18 AM > To: Susan Tierney McNamara > Cc: JMDL > Subject: RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers > > What is the consensus here of River as a traditional Christmas song?> > > I think your answer possibly depends on what constitutes a "traditional" > Christmas song...it's an interesting and timely question, as I was just > thinking about River covers this very morning. I would answer the question > with a resounding YES and I would define the phrase as a song that has become > associated with the holiday season. This association has happened as an > unintentional trend which is why, I suppose, along with its melancholy theme > makes it a somewhat controversial holiday song. > > To the best of my knowledge, the first cover of the song was in 1973 by Dave > von Ronk. As far as I can tell, the first inclusion of River as a SEASONAL > song occurred in 1991 with Wintergreen's release titled "Winter". In 1999/2000 > (about the time I started the project), at least TEN recordings came out on > holiday/christmas albums, along with a couple unreleased from holiday > specials. Fast forward to this year and last, there were 30 official releases > of River as a Christmas/Seasonal song, and many more unreleased. > > Just go to Youtube, do a search for "Joni Mitchell" for the last month, and > 90% of the videos are all people covering River (of varying quality I might > add). > > Whether we like it or not, or agree or not, the fact is that River HAS become > a traditional Christmas/Holiday song. Because of that, it has vaulted to the > #3 spot as the most-covered Joni song, and this time next year (or sooner) it > will overtake BYT and become #2. Don't think it'll ever take over the #1 spot > though! > > Bob > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:35:47 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: River as a Christmas Song >Bob writes : > What is the consensus here of River as a traditional Christmas song?> > > On a commercial that used it a few years back they edited it, basically leaving out the sad parts and the sexual references. That it's used as a "Christmas song" just amuses me. Hey, whatever spreads Joni's music .... Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:18:03 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers What is the consensus here of River as a traditional Christmas song?> I think your answer possibly depends on what constitutes a "traditional" Christmas song...it's an interesting and timely question, as I was just thinking about River covers this very morning. I would answer the question with a resounding YES and I would define the phrase as a song that has become associated with the holiday season. This association has happened as an unintentional trend which is why, I suppose, along with its melancholy theme makes it a somewhat controversial holiday song. To the best of my knowledge, the first cover of the song was in 1973 by Dave von Ronk. As far as I can tell, the first inclusion of River as a SEASONAL song occurred in 1991 with Wintergreen's release titled "Winter". In 1999/2000 (about the time I started the project), at least TEN recordings came out on holiday/christmas albums, along with a couple unreleased from holiday specials. Fast forward to this year and last, there were 30 official releases of River as a Christmas/Seasonal song, and many more unreleased. Just go to Youtube, do a search for "Joni Mitchell" for the last month, and 90% of the videos are all people covering River (of varying quality I might add). Whether we like it or not, or agree or not, the fact is that River HAS become a traditional Christmas/Holiday song. Because of that, it has vaulted to the #3 spot as the most-covered Joni song, and this time next year (or sooner) it will overtake BYT and become #2. Don't think it'll ever take over the #1 spot though! Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:46:01 +0000 From: Anita Subject: Re: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers I was just remembering the woman herself commenting on her ability to write Christmas songs on PWWM when (to the melody of 'Have yourself a Merry little Christmas) Joni drops her voice an octave and sings 'Have yourself a morbid little Christmas'. It always makes me laugh and she sings it with humour and irony. Anita x On 2 Jan 2013, at 17:41, Dave Blackburn wrote: > Well it is OUR most viewed Youtube from our Blue/C&S concert. 1206 views as of today, far ahead of any of the others. I have to attribute that to Christmas just happening. > > On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:44 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara wrote: > >> I love when conjectures are backed up with facts!!!! Thanks, Bob. I think >> traditionally holiday songs were thought to be inspirational or fun (whether >> in the religious or secular sense) ... but more often than not there is a >> sense during the holiday season that not everyone is happy and not everyone is >> surrounded by loved ones ... it's another aspect of traditional Christmas >> themes that we think of people who may be lonely, ill or impoverished. I'm >> reminded of one of my favorite Gordon Lightfoot songs, Circle of Steel, which >> could be considered a holiday song in this respect. >> >> Susan Tierney McNamara >> email: sem8@cornell.edu >> >> From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@fluor.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:18 AM >> To: Susan Tierney McNamara >> Cc: JMDL >> Subject: RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers >> >> What is the consensus here of River as a traditional Christmas song?> >> >> I think your answer possibly depends on what constitutes a "traditional" >> Christmas song...it's an interesting and timely question, as I was just >> thinking about River covers this very morning. I would answer the question >> with a resounding YES and I would define the phrase as a song that has become >> associated with the holiday season. This association has happened as an >> unintentional trend which is why, I suppose, along with its melancholy theme >> makes it a somewhat controversial holiday song. >> >> To the best of my knowledge, the first cover of the song was in 1973 by Dave >> von Ronk. As far as I can tell, the first inclusion of River as a SEASONAL >> song occurred in 1991 with Wintergreen's release titled "Winter". In 1999/2000 >> (about the time I started the project), at least TEN recordings came out on >> holiday/christmas albums, along with a couple unreleased from holiday >> specials. Fast forward to this year and last, there were 30 official releases >> of River as a Christmas/Seasonal song, and many more unreleased. >> >> Just go to Youtube, do a search for "Joni Mitchell" for the last month, and >> 90% of the videos are all people covering River (of varying quality I might >> add). >> >> Whether we like it or not, or agree or not, the fact is that River HAS become >> a traditional Christmas/Holiday song. Because of that, it has vaulted to the >> #3 spot as the most-covered Joni song, and this time next year (or sooner) it >> will overtake BYT and become #2. Don't think it'll ever take over the #1 spot >> though! >> >> Bob >> >> >> ---- >> ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:08:18 -0600 From: Happy The Man Subject: Re: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers Bob, one of my favorite from the holiday you tube covers was a guy name Mitchell Long. It was good On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Dave Blackburn wrote: > Well it is OUR most viewed Youtube from our Blue/C&S concert. 1206 views > as of today, far ahead of any of the others. I have to attribute that to > Christmas just happening. > > On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:44 AM, Susan Tierney McNamara > wrote: > > > I love when conjectures are backed up with facts!!!! Thanks, Bob. I > think > > traditionally holiday songs were thought to be inspirational or fun > (whether > > in the religious or secular sense) ... but more often than not there is a > > sense during the holiday season that not everyone is happy and not > everyone is > > surrounded by loved ones ... it's another aspect of traditional Christmas > > themes that we think of people who may be lonely, ill or impoverished. > I'm > > reminded of one of my favorite Gordon Lightfoot songs, Circle of Steel, > which > > could be considered a holiday song in this respect. > > > > Susan Tierney McNamara > > email: sem8@cornell.edu > > > > From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@fluor.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:18 AM > > To: Susan Tierney McNamara > > Cc: JMDL > > Subject: RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers > > > > What is the consensus here of River as a traditional Christmas song?> > > > > I think your answer possibly depends on what constitutes a "traditional" > > Christmas song...it's an interesting and timely question, as I was just > > thinking about River covers this very morning. I would answer the > question > > with a resounding YES and I would define the phrase as a song that has > become > > associated with the holiday season. This association has happened as an > > unintentional trend which is why, I suppose, along with its melancholy > theme > > makes it a somewhat controversial holiday song. > > > > To the best of my knowledge, the first cover of the song was in 1973 by > Dave > > von Ronk. As far as I can tell, the first inclusion of River as a > SEASONAL > > song occurred in 1991 with Wintergreen's release titled "Winter". In > 1999/2000 > > (about the time I started the project), at least TEN recordings came out > on > > holiday/christmas albums, along with a couple unreleased from holiday > > specials. Fast forward to this year and last, there were 30 official > releases > > of River as a Christmas/Seasonal song, and many more unreleased. > > > > Just go to Youtube, do a search for "Joni Mitchell" for the last month, > and > > 90% of the videos are all people covering River (of varying quality I > might > > add). > > > > Whether we like it or not, or agree or not, the fact is that River HAS > become > > a traditional Christmas/Holiday song. Because of that, it has vaulted to > the > > #3 spot as the most-covered Joni song, and this time next year (or > sooner) it > > will overtake BYT and become #2. Don't think it'll ever take over the #1 > spot > > though! > > > > Bob > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:44:18 +0000 From: Susan Tierney McNamara Subject: RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers I love when conjectures are backed up with facts!!!! Thanks, Bob. I think traditionally holiday songs were thought to be inspirational or fun (whether in the religious or secular sense) ... but more often than not there is a sense during the holiday season that not everyone is happy and not everyone is surrounded by loved ones ... it's another aspect of traditional Christmas themes that we think of people who may be lonely, ill or impoverished. I'm reminded of one of my favorite Gordon Lightfoot songs, Circle of Steel, which could be considered a holiday song in this respect. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:18 AM To: Susan Tierney McNamara Cc: JMDL Subject: RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers What is the consensus here of River as a traditional Christmas song?> I think your answer possibly depends on what constitutes a "traditional" Christmas song...it's an interesting and timely question, as I was just thinking about River covers this very morning. I would answer the question with a resounding YES and I would define the phrase as a song that has become associated with the holiday season. This association has happened as an unintentional trend which is why, I suppose, along with its melancholy theme makes it a somewhat controversial holiday song. To the best of my knowledge, the first cover of the song was in 1973 by Dave von Ronk. As far as I can tell, the first inclusion of River as a SEASONAL song occurred in 1991 with Wintergreen's release titled "Winter". In 1999/2000 (about the time I started the project), at least TEN recordings came out on holiday/christmas albums, along with a couple unreleased from holiday specials. Fast forward to this year and last, there were 30 official releases of River as a Christmas/Seasonal song, and many more unreleased. Just go to Youtube, do a search for "Joni Mitchell" for the last month, and 90% of the videos are all people covering River (of varying quality I might add). Whether we like it or not, or agree or not, the fact is that River HAS become a traditional Christmas/Holiday song. Because of that, it has vaulted to the #3 spot as the most-covered Joni song, and this time next year (or sooner) it will overtake BYT and become #2. Don't think it'll ever take over the #1 spot though! Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:36:51 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 77 - First & Last Hi all, thanks again for another terrific year on the JMDL. It's been great for some, tough for some, I love you some, and I hate you none! Here's a retro edition of covers - will have a new one this weekend. (My days are so messed up right now!) Anyway, here's Volume 77, with 23 tracks! Might be the most I've ever squeezed onto 1 CD. Some definite rarities to be sure...I mean, any CD that contains a lounge band version of Carnival In Kenora has got to be teetering on some crazy vibe, right...add a techno-electronic cover of Eastern Rain and you know it's something you just have to experience...or not, of course. Should old acquaintance be forgot:http://tinyurl.com/Covers77 And Never brought to mind: 1. Linda Pettersson - All I Want 2. Kenny Davis Road Show - Both Sides Now 3. Sara Gazarek - The Circle Game 4. Corporate Cash Cows - Big Yellow Taxi 5. Carey Yaruss - River 6. Joey Figgiani - You're So Square, Baby I Don't Care 7. Sue Bond - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 8. Uncle Seth - Both Sides Now 9. Tangled Up In Blue - Big Yellow Taxi 10. Susie Coles - The Circle Game 11. Maddalena - Willy 12. The Big Wu - Free Man In Paris 13. David Lobban - Both Sides Now 14. Jeff Libman - Big Yellow Taxi 15. Divine Brown - Help Me 16. Clyde High School Acapella Choir - Both Sides Now 17. The Difference - Carnival In Kenora 18. The Bards - The Urge For Going 19. Two Tight - Big Yellow Taxi 20. The Lazy Eyes - Eastern Rain 21. Fred Benedetti - Both Sides Now 22. The Mike Batt Orchestra - Both Sides Now 23. Garlic - Night In The City Happy New Year - Enjoy! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 09:09:26 -0800 From: "Gary Hanick" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #7 I don't think she intended it as a "Christmas" song, traditional or untraditional. A lot of us feel a sense of longing, melancholy, a search for home or roots or life assessment around this time of year. That's all well and good. In Southern California, we have these radio stations playing Christmas songs, starting in early November. By US Thanksgiving, many of us are just plain tired of hearing it, tired of this forced feeling of shopping-induced "high". Now that the holidays are over, the inevitable crash takes place after the artificial high -- for some of us. Bottom line, I've yet to hear "River" on any of these stations, which is a pity. Leave it to Joni to be the downer at the party, eh? Corporate America certainly cannot allow this! Anyway, if "River" makes more people aware of Joni's music, this is good. BYT has been dragged through the mud enough times. To the uninitiated, it's one of her few "upbeat" ditties -- LOL. We don't even hear much from C & S on the radio here anymore. And to the mainstream, Joni disappeared in a cloud of melancholy after C & S. And, thanks to mega big box retailers like Wal Mart, Target, Best Buy, et al, Joni Mitchell does not even exist. It's force feeding the masses with junk music that, over time, numbs our mental and spiritual taste buds and sensibilities to anything deeper than Lady Gaga's newest costume. Sorry to sound like Scrooge, but to those of us who "get" Joni's music, it's okay to have these feelings. "Only a phase....these dark cafi days." Joni's done exactly what she said she'd do in that song...she made a lot of money and quit the crazy scene. Can't blame her, although some of us miss the sweet elixir of her heart songs. How many times can we replay the same soundtrack? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 7:26 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2013 #7 JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 2 2013 Volume 2013 : Number 007 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:18:03 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers What is the consensus here of River as a traditional Christmas song?> I think your answer possibly depends on what constitutes a "traditional" Christmas song...it's an interesting and timely question, as I was just thinking about River covers this very morning. I would answer the question with a resounding YES and I would define the phrase as a song that has become associated with the holiday season. This association has happened as an unintentional trend which is why, I suppose, along with its melancholy theme makes it a somewhat controversial holiday song. To the best of my knowledge, the first cover of the song was in 1973 by Dave von Ronk. As far as I can tell, the first inclusion of River as a SEASONAL song occurred in 1991 with Wintergreen's release titled "Winter". In 1999/2000 (about the time I started the project), at least TEN recordings came out on holiday/christmas albums, along with a couple unreleased from holiday specials. Fast forward to this year and last, there were 30 official releases of River as a Christmas/Seasonal song, and many more unreleased. Just go to Youtube, do a search for "Joni Mitchell" for the last month, and 90% of the videos are all people covering River (of varying quality I might add). Whether we like it or not, or agree or not, the fact is that River HAS become a traditional Christmas/Holiday song. Because of that, it has vaulted to the #3 spot as the most-covered Joni song, and this time next year (or sooner) it will overtake BYT and become #2. Don't think it'll ever take over the #1 spot though! Bob - - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - - ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2013 #7 *************************** - ------- To post messages to the list, sendtojoni@smoe.org. Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 09:40:15 -0800 From: Mary Morris Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2013 #12 Gary says: "Can't blame her, although some of us miss the sweet elixir of her heart songs. How many times can we replay the same soundtrack?" LOL I have 2 copies of Shine, one for the car, one for the home GREETINGS FROM THE TRIPLE M Down a gravel road, where the barb wire meets the sky. MARY M. MORRIS > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:57:47 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: Re: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers Sue, I certainly hope you're not forgetting Jethro Tull's 'Christmas Song'! Mark in Seattle - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tierney McNamara Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 7:44 AM To: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Cc: JMDL Subject: RE: Joni Covers #157 - Oceans of Rivers I love when conjectures are backed up with facts!!!! Thanks, Bob. I think traditionally holiday songs were thought to be inspirational or fun (whether in the religious or secular sense) ... but more often than not there is a sense during the holiday season that not everyone is happy and not everyone is surrounded by loved ones ... it's another aspect of traditional Christmas themes that we think of people who may be lonely, ill or impoverished. I'm reminded of one of my favorite Gordon Lightfoot songs, Circle of Steel, which could be considered a holiday song in this respect. Susan Tierney McNamara email: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2013 #3 ******************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here:mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe